JK == Joost Kooij [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JK The supposed audience for Debian-{Lite,Desktop,MagazineCover,Whatever}
JK will probably want X (and giving them fvwm2-95 isn't such a bad idea
JK either.)
From what I hear, the fvwm2-95 is hard to configure. I would
recommend Afterstep
KG == Kai Grossjohann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
KG See Section 6 Profile Screens.
Hmmm, that looks indeed promising. I'm looking forward to seeing that
:)
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To get a feel for this, I made up what seemed to be a comfortable working
Debian and went through the excercise of creating it from a minimum set of
packages. The working Debian was just on 40 Mb and it needed only 8 Mb
of packages to produce this, as most files came from base1_3.tgz.
In other
this, as most files came from base1_3.tgz.
[snip]
Here is the output of my dpkg --get-selections:-
[snip]
Very nice. Did these packages all configure without problems and
difficult questions to answer?
Here are some ideas for the remaining 72 Mb:
The supposed audience for Debian-{Lite,Desktop
- Here are some ideas for the remaining 72 Mb:
-
- The supposed audience for Debian-{Lite,Desktop,MagazineCover,Whatever}
- will probably want X (and giving them fvwm2-95 isn't such a bad idea
- either.)
I think fvwm2-95 will be a little too complicated to configure
for newbies (I
Lindsay Allen writes:
In other words the space required in round figures on a cdrom is 12 Mb for
the disk-i386 set plus 8Mb for my selection of packages, or 20 Mb. So
with 98 Mb available the is 78 Mb free to add other things.
One place where I can imagine that a small installation would be
On Aug 7, Olaf Weber wrote
One place where I can imagine that a small installation would be
popular is on laptops. But for those to work well, you need (i) the
apm package, and (ii) recompile the kernel to enable apm support.
Another area could be linux-ha, which is not ready yet.
But when
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
On the other hand, fvwm, the old fvwm, is relatively easy to configure.
And since you'll have a fair idea of what applications are likely to be
installed (since you'll be packaging them all together on a cd or
whatever) you could even provide a
Robert == Robert D Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert I think this should be the main object of a smaller version
Robert of debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation
Robert loads up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted
Robert server
On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 11:00:20AM +0100, Alec Clews wrote:
There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
propose a project to make
one available.
Do you mean small on the source media? I would think Debian
is a scalable as you want at installation.
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On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 05:29:13PM -0700, Travis Cole wrote:
On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
powerful name.
Debian Complete?
Debian Universal Linux?
Multiple Personality Debian? :)
Take a look at Caldara's naming
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
product.
If the name is to be changed at all, it should be 'complete' or
'universal'. I actually prefer to keep the current name unless research
shows
w == wb2oyc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
w I wish that someone with the skills would put together a Linux
w better suited to the single user environment where many (most?) of
w us use our home systems. Free from all the hassles of permissions,
w root privelege to do this or that, etc! Right on!
GH == Graham Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GH So that means that if I use a Debian-Lite install I can't ever upgrade
GH to a full installation from there? I missed the original post, but
GH keeping a dpkg/dselect around for the eventual upgrade to full Debian
GH (which may never occur) seems
On 05 Aug 1997, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen said:
SSM What kind of workstation are you setting up?
SSM [ ] normal workstation
SSM [ ] Word processor (lyx/latex/emacs ... )
SSM [ ] X-terminal
SSM [ ] ...
As I read this, the Deity project is developing something that has
this capability.
Pierre Blanchet writes:
How about Deb-One (it's sound like debian, but built for one
special task, or just for one user) ?
I think that would tend to be interpreted as Debian number one.
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George Bonser writes:
All you would do is answer a set of basic questions:
Are you on a local network (LAN, most likely ethernet)?
Do you have a dial up internet connection?
Do you want a text-only system?
etc.
And a set of applications would be installed.
That is exactly what I had in
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
product.
OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
Regards,
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AC == Alec Clews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of
those commercial products where you have to pay for a full
version of the product.
AC OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
AC Regards, Alec -- Alec
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:02:55 +0200, Pierre Blanchet wrote:
How about they just get the damn base disks and then install from FTP?!?!?!
(Sorry, if you can't get to the net you don't count)
AC == Alec Clews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds
On Fri, Aug 01, 1997 at 05:29:13PM -0700, Travis Cole wrote:
On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
powerful name.
Debian Complete?
Debian Universal Linux?
Multiple Personality Debian? :)
Take a look at Caldara's naming
would never show any package selection screen at any point in the install
as I envision it.
So that means that if I use a Debian-Lite install I can't ever upgrade
to a full installation from there? I missed the original post, but
keeping a dpkg/dselect around for the eventual upgrade to full
On Aug 02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15:18:49 Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote:
Alan is absolutely right.
The base install will always include a dpkg/dselect tool. There are
certain components of base that are always necessary in order to provide a
maintainable and upgradable system. These will always need to be installed
and
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Pierre Blanchet wrote:
AC OK. How about Debian-Desktop? (Debian-BBS, Debian-ISP etc)
How about Debian Does the Desktop :)
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
George Bonser
Why is it that the same people that tell us that manned space flight
is a waste of money also tell us
package selections from stdin
This does exactly what you are looking for. However, I'm not sure if
dselect will remove packages if they aren't on the list when
set-selections is run. Anyone care to enlighten me?
It seems like debian-lite (or whatever) could create a long list based on
a few
from the initial idea of the
Debian Lite project, namely a small, very simple to install version
with minimal admin and network tools, to be installed by newbies.
Other things that have been suggested (like tailored distributions for
game developers and programmers), while worthy ideas, aren't
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, David M wrote:
Also users can backup a certain working state of their sytems into a
packaging configuration file wich could then be used to reinstall (add,
delete, etc) to that particular configuration.
This is a great idea! Mind you, the only times I've had to do a
Hello ppl,
I have been (quitely) reading the Debian project thread and I was
wondering whether the following is possible.
Why do we have to limit ourselves to debian-lite or any such subset of
Debian?
Is it not possible to have some sort of pre-packaged configuration files,
that you load
that the
latest binaries are present (even though they are readonly) and then
install the local files. This would make it easy to build
network workstations.
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Alan Eugene Davis wrote:
Possibly the need for Debian Lite would be lessened with completion
of a friendly dselect
Possibly the need for Debian Lite would be lessened with completion
of a friendly dselect or replacement for dselect, that would present
some reasonable options.
My biggest worry is the multiplication of packages. Perhaps it is an
inevitable situation with the kind of distribution
On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15:18:49 Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted
In regards to the naming problem. Might it not be easier to decide
which packages are to go into which sub-distribution. Or maybe just
come up with a sentence describing each sub-distribution. Then define
the packages. And finally name each:
1) Single-user, minimal install that may be useful,
On 15:18:49 Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server and
network administration stuff.
Bob
Man, do I
in somewhere.
Jason
I think this should be the main object of a smaller version of
debian (Please not Debian Lite!). A normal debian installation loads
up a single user machine with a lot of unneeded and unwanted server and
network administration stuff.
Bob
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Paul Wade wrote:
That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds me of those
commercial products where you have to pay for a full version of the
product.
I do not like that name either (though I might have been among the first
to use it here.) mini-Debian
Alec Clews wrote:
Does anyone disagree with this? Are SPI happy to have this
functionality
in the Official Debian distribution? Does the SPI board have view on
any
of this?
In one of the first posts of this thread I suggested that it be aimed at
single user systems will low resource
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
Does this fit in somewhere.
Jason
Would not work with what I have in mind for MY particular project since at
least a mail and small news service would be required but web service
would not be needed. I find it useful to have a POP3 server to read mail,
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On 01-Aug-97 Paul Wade wrote:
A single CD that allowed a wide range of installation types should have a
powerful name.
Debian Complete?
Debian Universal Linux?
Multiple Personality Debian? :)
with fvwm installed as the window manager if they
choose it.
Yes! I think exactly this is the way to go. No many options for little
pieces; just 3 or 4 major decisions should be enough.
As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
edition would be to have the guys
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I can't
remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
I think this could be a pre dselect choice, since
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I can't
remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
I don't see why any of this customized setup can't
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Travis Cole wrote:
What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
choice X or no X with fvwm
Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote,
:On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
: What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
: make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
: be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
:
That way, we can forgo the trouble of setting up a nice UI
(additional work??) and at the same time can cater for beginners
as well. We just have to ensure that the questions are not
excessively complicated (like IP-masquarading??) that they
will stump the starters and our suggested setup
the buttons on his
telephone and called people like us.
A GUI in the hands of the incompetent computer owner is no solution. If
anything, it speeds up the destruction of a good configuration.
Point, click, break ...
As for the 'Debian Lite' name, it reminds me of crippled versions
that you get
I forgot to mention my new book project. It will be called 'Debian for
dummies' and will be about 10 pages long. It will sell for at least
$99.00, since people who think of themselves as dummies will pay whatever
price I ask.
- On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
-
- As an alternative to doing all this work to create a Debian-Lite/personal
- edition would be to have the guys working on the new dselect (sorry, I
can't
- remember the name) to have setup scenarios.
-
- I don't see why any of this customized
- fvwm is well documented and there are a gazillion examples of
- configuration files that allow the user to customize their setup. THe
- GoodStuff button panel is very useful and a simple pager with four
- desktops is easilly done and easilly understood by the newbie reading the
- config files.
fvwm is well documented and there are a gazillion examples of
configuration files that allow the user to customize their setup. THe
GoodStuff button panel is very useful and a simple pager with four
desktops is easilly done and easilly understood by the newbie reading the
config files.
I
stuff as
they need to.
i.e. the only thing special about Debian-lite is that you don't get get
much choice when you first install the system.
Regards,
Alec
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that provides a fully functionally
(to be defined)
desktop system with minimal input from the user.
+To provide non-technical documenatation for the installation.
+To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other software
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alec Clews wrote:
There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
propose a project to make
one available.
+To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other software
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alec Clews wrote:
+To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other software
I think should be better that the user installation option produces the
Debian-Lite installed system instead
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote:
This seems to me to be worth while and yet be a very simple excercise if
you overlook the fact that we can argue until the cows come home about
what to include and exclude.
1) Build a Debian system as desired. (I built one this week with 30 Mb
On Aug 1, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote
There is obviously a desire to make a small, simple Debian and so I
propose a project to make
one available.
+To provide tools to extract the files required to create Debian-lite as
a subset (100Mb?) suitable for inclusion on a CD with other
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Jason Ish wrote:
I don't see why any of this customized setup can't be done from dselect.
Just
The problem with this is that I will have custom packages. My smail will
be different than Debian's default smail, my fvwm
Fvwm95 is actually fvwm-2 which is more difficult to conmfigure than fvwm
was.
I used to use fvwm95 before and I never understand how to configure it.
(I am so stupid). I am now using afterstep. The configuration file is really
clear and it is so beautiful...
Franck
George
i.e. the only thing special about Debian-lite is that you don't get get
much choice when you first install the system.
Exactly. You can ALWAYS slip in the CD and run dselect to grab all of the
packages and change anything you want. The smaller distribution would be
simply a way to get
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Will Lowe wrote:
Why not, rather than have customized packages, which seems like a lot
of duplication of work already done, have customizer packages ... an
smail-config package that depends on smail.deb and does nothing but allow
the user to choose between one of
maintaining makedev, mpage and isdnutils if that helps.
in the official debian distribution ? let's say : do it the debian way :
use existing packages. put your glue into a new package, called
debian-lite, with all scripts to produce debian lite.
(like we have debian-cdrom to build the official cdrom's
Jason writes:
If this project goes further I would like to be involved as I have been
thinking about his for months.
So would I. The seul project seems to be heading in a direction I don't
want to go.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Do
-users about creating a CD for
Magazines).
Is there enough interest in doing this? I guess we need a mailing list
and people with enough hard disk space and Debian experience to
experiment. (I have none of this but I am happy to help anyway I can).
Let's be clever and call it Debian-lite
Maybe It could have some restrain choices as with/without Xfree,
latex...
- wanting to do it with a Slackware type install. I have this idea that there
- could be a subset of Debian packages designed for a single user (home pc)
- work station. The user could choose this option in
OS is
exactly their nice interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
newbie, to change to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder.
XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.
my R$0.02 (I'm in Brazil :))
[]s,
Mario O.de Menezes mailto:[EMAIL
be clever and call it Debian-lite :-).
Please email me if
1) You are intrested in *using* such a (free) product.
2) You can help or have already done some work on this approach.
If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
If there is enough interest I will see about setting up
. If
they continue that way, I would be willing to help with Debian-Lite (let's
not call it that, though).
John Hasler
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to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder.
XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.
What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
be made a little nicer than Debian because I
at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/). They
are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg. They seem to be heading in
the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea. If
they continue that way, I would be willing to help with Debian-Lite (let's
not call it that, though
interface and trying to convince somebody, mainly a
newbie, to change to a powerful OS, but w/o X is, at least, harder.
XFree should be a default installation in Debian-Lite.
What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, George Bonser wrote:
What I had in mind to do for the local distribution that I was going to
make was fvwm and a nice set of default menus. The default X install can
be made a little nicer than Debian because I would only give them one
choice X or no X with fvwm
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