On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:09:59AM -0500, lee wrote:
> You can consider the problem of keeping data readable and usable over
> long periods of time a "strawman" all you want. If you have data that
> you want to still be able to read/use after a long time, you might
> have a problem that is somewhat
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31:01AM -0500, lee wrote:
> Yeah, that something is plain text doesn't mean that it is human
> readable.
If its plain text it is definitely readable, it may just not be
comprehensible.
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On Saturday 30 May 2009 09:38:36 you wrote:
>In <4a2137c0.7010...@kalinowski.com.br>, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>>Just for the record, I'd like to mention that I upgraded to the KDE4 in
>>testing yesterday night. But not from KDE3, I had been using KDE4 since
>>4.1.X from experimental, then upgra
In <4a2137c0.7010...@kalinowski.com.br>, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>Just for the record, I'd like to mention that I upgraded to the KDE4 in
>testing yesterday night. But not from KDE3, I had been using KDE4 since
>4.1.X from experimental, then upgraded to 4.2.0 (or something like that)
>while yet
Just for the record, I'd like to mention that I upgraded to the KDE4 in
testing yesterday night. But not from KDE3, I had been using KDE4 since
4.1.X from experimental, then upgraded to 4.2.0 (or something like that)
while yet in unstable (or perhaps even experimental).
I didn't have a mysql serve
I seem to have lost track of the goal here. Please refresh me. Thanks.
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:28:46PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > Can you get a reliable tape drive, incl. some tapes, that stores at
> > least 1TB per tape, for max. $200 now?
>
> No. You can get used LTO-3 drives for about $250 on ebay. Tapes, of
> whatever capacity, end up costing about $
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. said:
> In <20090527163101.gg5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> Anyway, I don't like it. It's
>>something hidden from the user instead of telling them about it. That's
>>never a good idea.
>
> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hi
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:21:38PM -0400, H.S. wrote:
> lee wrote:
> > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:44:49AM -0400, H.S. wrote:
> >> Have you tried reinstalling kdm with aptitude? Or purging it and then
> >> installing it again? Purging might recreate the config files.
> >
> > Yes, I tried that, but
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:08:00AM -0500, lee wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:42:57AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > As far as I know, the only digital media that is designed to last that
> > long on the shelf without data loss is tape. Since tape technology
> > moves apace, you should pro
lee wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:44:49AM -0400, H.S. wrote:
>> Have you tried reinstalling kdm with aptitude? Or purging it and then
>> installing it again? Purging might recreate the config files.
>
> Yes, I tried that, but it didn't change anything.
>
> It's working now, but I don't like
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:12:18PM +0200, komodo wrote:
> > > What about this ?
> > >
> > > http://albertech.net/2009/04/kde-how-to-fix-no-greeter-widget-plugin-load
> > >ed-error/
> >
> > That fits perfectly, thanks! The symptoms are the same, and
> > kdebase-workspace is currently not installed.
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:44:49AM -0400, H.S. wrote:
>
> Have you tried reinstalling kdm with aptitude? Or purging it and then
> installing it again? Purging might recreate the config files.
Yes, I tried that, but it didn't change anything.
It's working now, but I don't like it ...
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:37:33PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090527210120.gq5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:11:38PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2.
> >> > It is supposed to be a
lee wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:22:32PM -0400, H.S. wrote:
>> I agree with Boyd in his understanding of your post. What is the use of
>> language if you say one thing that a reasonable person would understand
>> but meant something completely different? If a reasonable receiver does
>> not
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:35:01PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090527205951.gp5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10:54PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> >It's
> >> >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about
> >>
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:42:57AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> If your backup/archive hardware won't connect to the new computer, then
> you'll need to migrate the data to new archive hardware first, then
> migrate the computer to new hardware.
Yes, but then you might have overlooked somethin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:44:12AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll
> > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more
> > --- if you can find one at all.
>
> Buy an old computer and use that case.
That's w
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 07:40:37AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll
> > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more
>
> You should start looking for a new place to buy cases.
Do you know a good place? I was lu
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:14:03AM -0400, Brendan wrote:
> > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll
> > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more
> > --- if you can find one at all.
>
> 250? Is this a gold case?
Show me where you can buy the f
On Thursday 28 of May 2009 16:01:14 lee wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:42:08PM +0200, komodo wrote:
> > On Thursday 28 of May 2009 15:00:29 lee wrote:
> > > I already mentioned about 3 or 4 times in this thread that kdm, when
> > > it tries to start, says that there is no greeting widget and t
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:23:18PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090527205142.go5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:03:29PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> >> Older releases are maintained in the archive
> >> >For 30 years or more?
>
On Thu,28.May.09, 08:58:03, lee wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:22:57PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> > lee wrote:
> >> For the second time in this thread: Is there another way to start kde
> >> than using kdm (or gdm)? Though they can be nice to have, I don't want
> >> to have to use either
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:42:08PM +0200, komodo wrote:
> On Thursday 28 of May 2009 15:00:29 lee wrote:
>
> > I already mentioned about 3 or 4 times in this thread that kdm, when
> > it tries to start, says that there is no greeting widget and that I
> > should check the configuration. I'm merely
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 03:22:57PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> lee wrote:
>> For the second time in this thread: Is there another way to start kde
>> than using kdm (or gdm)? Though they can be nice to have, I don't want
>> to have to use either of them.
>
> Isn't startx or startkde supposed to
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:19:07PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090527205036.gn5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is
> >> why
On Thursday 28 of May 2009 15:00:29 lee wrote:
> I already mentioned about 3 or 4 times in this thread that kdm, when
> it tries to start, says that there is no greeting widget and that I
> should check the configuration. I'm merely expecting it to work
> because no packages are broken, no depende
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 01:51:25PM -0500, lee wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:15PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > If the issue is saving $20 on a case, then you are just $20 short of
> > having a working solution. Sounds good to me.
>
> Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
> lee wrote:
>> For the second time in this thread: Is there another way to start kde
>> than using kdm (or gdm)? Though they can be nice to have, I don't want
>> to have to use either of them.
>
> Isn't startx or startkde supposed to do that? Login at the console and
> try
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:18:54AM -0500, lee wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46:47AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> > >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > >> Use the old softw
lee wrote:
For the second time in this thread: Is there another way to start kde
than using kdm (or gdm)? Though they can be nice to have, I don't want
to have to use either of them.
Isn't startx or startkde supposed to do that? Login at the console and
try that.
FYI, I have kde 4.2 and kdm wo
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:22:32PM -0400, H.S. wrote:
> I agree with Boyd in his understanding of your post. What is the use of
> language if you say one thing that a reasonable person would understand
> but meant something completely different? If a reasonable receiver does
> not understand the me
> Nah, Adamantium ;)
>
Sounds like Unobtainium to me.
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>> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide things
>> from a user instead of telling them about it.
>
> What means "better" in that case?
>
Really, this does sound ridiculous. We've all heard about the woman
who frees up disk space by removing the folders that she doesn
>> Cooling, circuit breakers, relaxed duty cycle. And prayer, if you're into
>> that.
>
> If you want to keep it running all the time ... Even if you don't, you
> might have a problem when you need spare parts.
>
As mentioned previously, LUGs and geeks in general are usually a great
place to find
Brendan wrote:
> > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll
> > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more
> > --- if you can find one at all.
>
> 250? Is this a gold case?
Nah, Adamantium ;)
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> find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more
> --- if you can find one at all.
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In <20090527210120.gq5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:11:38PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2.
>> > It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o
>> > database component and should, by default, use
In <20090527205951.gp5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10:54PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >It's
>> >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about
>> >it. That's never a good idea.
>>
>> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it
lee wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is why
>> they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone reading
>> this message can follow the exact reasoning I used t
In <20090527205142.go5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:03:29PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> Older releases are maintained in the archive
>> >For 30 years or more?
>> From what I understand, that is the plan. The archive currently goes
>> back t
In <20090527205036.gn5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is
>> why they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone
>> reading
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:54:31PM +0100, Muzer wrote:
> lee wrote:
>> Still it wants to install the full mysql server --- and doesn't that
>> package automatically start the server, even if it's then not used by
>> kde? Not that I couldn't prevent that, but they could make a package
>> that only i
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:11:38PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2 (still in beta,
> > IIRC). It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o database
> > component and should, by default, use an SQLite database embedded in the
> > document
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10:54PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >It's
> >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about
> >it. That's never a good idea.
>
> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide things
> from a user instead of telling them ab
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:03:29PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> Older releases are maintained in the archive
> >For 30 years or more?
>
> From what I understand, that is the plan. The archive currently goes back
> to the first release of Debian.
It may be planned to do that, but th
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is why
> they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone reading
> this message can follow the exact reasoning I used to get to that
>
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:15PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > How do you maintain 15 or 30 year old hardware?
> >
>
> Cooling, circuit breakers, relaxed duty cycle. And prayer, if you're into
> that.
If you want to keep it running all the time ... Even if you don't, you
might have a problem w
>> Find your local LUG and ask around. I can virtually guarantee that there
>> someone with a storage unit full of old hardware they are keeping for some
>> reason. Even better if you have a local FreeGeek.
>
> Who would keep all the old hardware? And for what? And it's nothing
> you could rely o
> You might check out the database component of KOffice 2 (still in beta,
> IIRC). It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o database
> component and should, by default, use an SQLite database embedded in the
> document.
Kexi hasn't made it into Koffice 2.0. We are still hopeful for Kof
In <20090527165037.gj5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> SQLite doesn't run a daemon at all. While there is an binary that
>> functional as a simple "SQL Shell", all the real RDBMS work is handled
>> by the share
In <20090527163101.gg5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:53:25AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >Then why do the dependencies require that a mysql server be installed?
>> As I understand it:
>> Because the "embedded" MySQL server is very much still a s
In <20090527161854.gf5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46:47AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> Use the
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:02:56PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> I'm sure they would prefer something based on multiple
> CSV files (structured, but must mostly human-readable) instead, and I see no
> technical roadblocks to that goal.
>
> Lee, could you do or sponsor such development?
In <20090527160338.ge5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31:00AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> In <200
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:06:48AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> lee wrote:
> > Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
> > want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
> > first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to
> > p
lee wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solutio
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
> >want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
> >first to k
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:20:54AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On a side note, what I could use is a Linux version of MS Access. That
> >really is one very useful tool, and even that doesn't require an
> >RDBMS.
>
> A
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:36:09PM +, marc wrote:
> lee said:
>
> > Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. Try to read
> > your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data
> > from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find that
> > it w
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:53:25AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >Then why do the dependencies require that a mysql server be installed?
>
> As I understand it:
> Because the "embedded" MySQL server is very much still a server. You do
> *not* have to start the daemon via the init script
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46:47AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> Use the old software. It might not run on the latest release of Debian,
> >>
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31:00AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >> >On Su
In <20090526173038.go2...@pear.tzafrir.org.il>, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:06:48AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>> lee wrote:
>> > Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
>> > want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
>> >
lee said:
> Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. Try to read
> your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data
> from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find that
> it won't be easy.
> Maybe software developers need to wake up and fin
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:06:48AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> lee wrote:
> > Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
> > want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
> > first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to
> > p
lee wrote:
> There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
> everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
> them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
> with only crappy software. I'm beginning to become more and more
> unhappy
lee wrote:
> Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
> want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
> first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to
> play, and I don't want to have to try stopping things that are running
>
In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >And BTW, it's not only wasting resources to have a mysql server
>> >installed that yo
In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> In <200
In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On a side note, what I could use is a Linux version of MS Access. That
>really is one very useful tool, and even that doesn't require an
>RDBMS.
Actually, it does. The Microsoft Jet Database Engine is a required part of
an MS Ac
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:21:19PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >> If you don't want to run any "servers" then you don't want to run Gnome
> >> (ORBit = CORBA server), KDE 3 (dcopserver), Xfce (notifications go via the
>
In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> Use the old software. It might not run on the latest release of Debian,
>> but it should run on whatever version you had before. Older releases
>> are mai
In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I
>want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution
>first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to
>play, and I don't wa
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >> >I
>
Andrei Popescu said:
> On Mon,25.May.09, 16:20:44, marc wrote:
>
>> I read a defensive post on the Kubuntu list - there is a *lot* of
>> defensiveness around kde4 at the moment - that claims that kde4 is a
>> rewrite and so users should adjust their expectations accordingly.
>>
>> It reminded me
In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> If you don't want to run any "servers" then you don't want to run Gnome
>> (ORBit = CORBA server), KDE 3 (dcopserver), Xfce (notifications go via the
>> DBus server) or X11 (xorg is an X11 server).
>
>Who says that I don't want t
In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >I
>> >don't want to run an akonadi server either, whatever that is.
>> Oh, then you
On Mon,25.May.09, 16:20:44, marc wrote:
> I read a defensive post on the Kubuntu list - there is a *lot* of
> defensiveness around kde4 at the moment - that claims that kde4 is a
> rewrite and so users should adjust their expectations accordingly.
>
> It reminded me of Joel Spolsky's article, '
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Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:
[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]
There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
ever
lee said:
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58:34AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>
>> But why do you want to use KDE at all?
>
> Why not? I liked some of the things it provided, but that doesn't mean I
> would use or need all its features. I tried out the calendar/PIM it has
> and I didn't like it: So
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On 05/25/09 17:48, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>> On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:
>>> [snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]
>>>
>>> There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
>>> everything
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:
[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]
There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
them, make things unfixable --- and the next
On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:
[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]
There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
with
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:15:36PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> It's really a KDE problem, although the solution will probably cause
> >> som
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58:34AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> lee writes:
> > So what have they been thinking to come up with something like that?
>
> Microsoft Exchange.
And they are running a mysql-server on every client so that they don't
need a server for it?
I used to be fine with 2GB of R
In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:15:36PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> It's really a KDE problem, although the solution will probably cause
>> some trouble for the Debian packaging team as well. Especially
>> minimizing the a
> I've had problems since the upgrade, too, including blank screens, mysql
> errors, slow load times, and other things. I eventually just gave up and
> switched to Gnome until things shake out a bit.
>
If you'd like to tell me about the problems that you have, I can help
you file the bugs. I can e
lee writes:
> So what have they been thinking to come up with something like that?
Microsoft Exchange.
But why do you want to use KDE at all?
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Tony Baldwin wrote:
AG wrote:
lee wrote:
Hi!
Well, KDE is now broken after I updated today. I refuse to run a
mysql-server just to get KDE installed. It's already bloated more than
enough. I'm not using the applications that would require the
mysql-server anyway.
Will that be fixed?
When kdm
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:15:36PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090523145721.gh7...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:34:39AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> >> However, I do know that the KDE/Qt Debian Maintainers do not have the
> >>
AG wrote:
lee wrote:
Hi!
Well, KDE is now broken after I updated today. I refuse to run a
mysql-server just to get KDE installed. It's already bloated more than
enough. I'm not using the applications that would require the
mysql-server anyway.
Will that be fixed?
When kdm starts, it says ther
lee wrote:
Hi!
Well, KDE is now broken after I updated today. I refuse to run a
mysql-server just to get KDE installed. It's already bloated more than
enough. I'm not using the applications that would require the
mysql-server anyway.
Will that be fixed?
When kdm starts, it says there's no gree
In <20090523145721.gh7...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:34:39AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> >> However, I do know that the KDE/Qt Debian Maintainers do not have the
>> >> time to fix it, so you might mention it to upstream.
>But is this a Debian pr
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:04:09AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> lee writes:
> > In any case, it would be nice to have a working KDE without having to run
> > a mysql server. Is there a way to do that?
>
> That depends on how you define "working KDE". The KDE metapackage depends
> on packages that
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:34:39AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> As I said before, it is possible to use much of KDE without Akonadi, for
> now.
Well, I tried to keep it installed as much as was possible, but
without the mysql-server. Now it doesn't work anymore.
> >> However, I do know
H.S. schreef:
> AG wrote:
> > Thanks H.S. Good advice and can dispense with those suggested
>> components of KDE without any regret.
>>
>> Couple of quickies:
>>
>> (1) How would I track down the guilty metapackage?
ooking (e.g. gnome-desktop-environment), I
> check those packages with:
> $> apt-
On Fri, 2009-05-22 at 17:32 +0100, AG wrote:
> H.S. wrote:
> > AG wrote:
> >
> > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > >
> > > > In <20090521183512.gb7...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, I removed them and now KDE is broken. I even tried to ge
AG wrote:
> Thanks H.S. Good advice and can dispense with those suggested
> components of KDE without any regret.
>
> Couple of quickies:
>
> (1) How would I track down the guilty metapackage?
hmm .. good question. I do it the hard way, but the apt gurus here may
be able to tell you how to it
H.S. wrote:
AG wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In <20090521183512.gb7...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
Yes, I removed them and now KDE is broken. I even tried to get just
konqueror back to use as a web browser, but that doesn't work without
the mysql-server :(
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