Re: Firefox pausing network activity during vt-switch / screenlock

workManager: > <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/onLine> In this case, the network state is not changing. Other applications, including wget, continue uninterrupted across vt-switches (Screen lock or User switching or Ctrl+Alt+Fn). Sometimes, the firefox gui is also a bit s

Re: Firefox pausing network activity during vt-switch / screenlock

On 06/10/2024 03:04, Mike Castle wrote: For me, the biggest signal is GMail and similar apps will go into a "You are not online" state. Web applications may intentionally use various tricks to detect idle even though the following API is unavailable in Firefox

Re: Firefox pausing network activity during vt-switch / screenlock

this so that I could control it, but not yet any luck. I've gone through most, if not all, config settings exposed via XFCE's settings (e.g., Power Manager), as well as Network Manager. Again, no luck. I've tried running an instance of FF under separate X sessions (Xvnc, Xnest, Xeph

Re: Firefox pausing network activity during vt-switch / screenlock

On 02/10/2024 10:13, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Firefox (and thunderbird, as well) seems to be pausing all network activity when doing a vt-switch or user-switching or locking the screen. [...] Chromium, on the other hand appears not to suffer from this issue and the download progresses during

Firefox pausing network activity during vt-switch / screenlock

Hello, Firefox (and thunderbird, as well) seems to be pausing all network activity when doing a vt-switch or user-switching or locking the screen. The effect of this is that ongoing downloads freeze and are resumed (sometimes fail) only after unlocking the screen. Chromium, on the other hand

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

Host: h370 Kernel: 6.1.0-23-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE > > Plasma > > > > v: 5.27.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) > > > > rd@h370:~$ > > > > It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable. >

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

Am Donnerstag, 29. August 2024, 20:31:10 CEST schrieb Tim Woodall: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > In the systemd log, the first entry indicating network problems is that > > the DNS server switches to another interface. But it could easily be a > > consequence

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

NU/Linux 12 (bookworm) > rd@h370:~$ > > It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable. > > I have in /etc/network/interface bridging networks e.g. > > iface eno1.2 inet manual > > # libvirt VM > auto br2 > iface br2 inet dhcp > # Use the MAC ad

Re: Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, Rainer Dorsch wrote: In the systemd log, the first entry indicating network problems is that the DNS server switches to another interface. But it could easily be a consequence and not the cause of the issue: Aug 28 06:57:54 h370 dhclient[1195]: DHCPREQUEST for

Bridging Network Connections with libvirt are unreliable

Hello, I have a (for me) weird problem on a bookworm system rd@h370:~$ inxi -S System: Host: h370 Kernel: 6.1.0-23-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) rd@h370:~$ It uses bridging network connections with libvirt work unreliable

Re: Network-manager issue after installation, was: Re: your mail

Franco Martelli wrote: > On 30/07/24 at 17:29, Tawsif wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:08:39PM +0600, Tawsif wrote: > > I have a very small storage size for my laptop (64gb). So, I installed > > debian minimal in it. > > If you can, reinstalls Debian as usual, my KDE's installation takes abo

Network-manager issue after installation, was: Re: your mail

On 30/07/24 at 17:29, Tawsif wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:08:39PM +0600, Tawsif wrote: I have a very small storage size for my laptop (64gb). So, I installed debian minimal in it. If you can, reinstalls Debian as usual, my KDE's installation takes about 10GB: ~$ LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 df / Fil

Re: network question

r disconnect even if I changed my local gateway (for example > switching VPN). If you enable a VPN tunnel traffic may go through, but it is also possible to bind it to a specific interface tat doesn't care about the tunnel. Use a network sniffer to investigate that. > if the vps is a normal

network question

may I ask a network question? when my server is a vps who has floating IP (that means, the server's iP is an internal IP, the public ip is bond on provider's router/firewall devices), then my ssh client connecting to the server will never disconnect even if I changed my local ga

Re: Predictable network device names [was: Please help me identify package so I can report an important bug

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 06:59:49AM +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de writes: [...] > > and of course, if you are using a desktop environment and NetworkManager > > or systemd-networkd, it's probably better to go with the flow and let > > them do. > > About year ago none of them was ab

Re: Predictable network device names [was: Please help me identify package so I can report an important bug

to...@tuxteam.de writes: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 06:30:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [following up on myself, bad style, I know] > >> For my laptop, I very much prefer to say "sudo ifup eth0" than to >> say "sudo ifup en0ps&&@*#!☠" thankyouverymuch :) > > and of course, if you are usin

Predictable network device names [was: Please help me identify package so I can report an important bug

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 06:30:27AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [following up on myself, bad style, I know] > For my laptop, I very much prefer to say "sudo ifup eth0" than to > say "sudo ifup en0ps&&@*#!☠" thankyouverymuch :) and of course, if you are using a desktop environment and NetworkMa

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 02:17:05AM +0100, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Tue 07/05/2024 at 01:51, Gareth Evans wrote: > > I did miss a step. > > > Start VM, check DHCP address assigned > > should be > > > Edit the VM NIC settings and choose your routed network

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

On Tue 07/05/2024 at 01:51, Gareth Evans wrote: I did miss a step. > Start VM, check DHCP address assigned should be > Edit the VM NIC settings and choose your routed network connection from the > "Network Source" dropdown. Apply changes. > Start VM, check DH

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

On host: $ ip a|grep wl 3: wlp1s0: mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000 inet 192.168.1.100/24 ... Using: virt-manager > Edit > Connection Details > Virtual Networks > Add network Mode: Routed Network: 192.168.200.0/24 Accept default DHCP range Forward

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

On Sun 05/05/2024 at 07:53, Gareth Evans wrote: > That might suggest NAT is still operative for the VM. Ah, I hadn't seen Geert's reply, which I think is closer to the mark :) This gives a routing-based approach: https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking This creates an iso

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem

On Sat 04/05/2024 at 21:26, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > ... > I have managed to follow the > instructions in: > > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-network-bridge-with-nmcli-networkmanager-on-linux/ > > ... > I was able to use the LAN > printer and the 40&quo

Re: Kvm Bridge Network Problem, VM accessing the host

On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 04:26:07PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running Bookworm on my main platform. After quite a bit of googling and > many errors and much head scratching I have managed to follow the > instructions in: > > https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-netw

Kvm Bridge Network Problem

I am running Bookworm on my main platform. After quite a bit of googling and many errors and much head scratching I have managed to follow the instructions in: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-add-network-bridge-with-nmcli-networkmanager-on-linux/ . I have currently implicated this on a

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

laalaa 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 >> GNU/Linux >> 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ >> $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | >> Status=Not/Inst/Conf

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

~ $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name  Version  Architecture

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/19/24 00:16, Florent Rougon wrote: Another thing: did you look into ~/.xsession-errors? (Sorry if this was already mentioned and I missed it.) Please see attached copy of ~/.xsession-errors, taken immediately after system restart and login. "nm-applet" does not appear in .xsession-err

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

Hi, Le 18/04/2024, David Christensen a écrit: > 2024-04-18 02:27:18 root@laalaa ~ > # df `which nm-applet` > Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/mapper/sdb3_crypt12084M 8927M 2522M 78% / Not sure this command is super-useful: % df $(which awk) F

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/18/24 09:46, Gareth Evans wrote: On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: ... Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install task

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/18/24 07:28, Max Nikulin wrote: On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present? Logging in using another previously

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/18/24 05:34, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@la

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On Thu 18/04/2024 at 11:05, David Christensen wrote: > Move aside the ~/.config/xfce4 directory: > ... > Restart -- screen with wallpaper alone. > ... Hi David, Starting from Mate DE only and some old (bookworm) XFCE config files, if I: $ sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop then log out and in

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 18/04/2024 17:05, David Christensen wrote: $ mv .config/xfce4-20240418-180045/ .config/xfce4 Restart -- back to Xfce panel with no Network Manager. Try to create a new system user and log in. Is nm-applet present?

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/18/24 05:27, David Christensen wrote: On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have permission. 2024-04-18 02:24:20 root@laalaa ~ #

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/17/24 12:07, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700 David Christensen wrote: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot p

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... There is apparently a long history of nm-applet/XFCE panel-related issues (and not many great

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/17/24 13:56, e...@gmx.us wrote: On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to find if and where any error message is reported. What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? And is its filesystem m

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/17/24 12:37, Richmond wrote: David Christensen writes: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On Wed 17/04/2024 at 19:41, David Christensen wrote: > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 > From: David Christensen > To: Gareth Evans > > On 4/17/24 03:4

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote:> David Christensen writes: > >> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to >> find if and where any error message is reported. > > What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? And is its filesystem mounted with noexec? > maybe

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

David Christensen writes: > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 > From: David Christensen > To: Gareth Evans > > On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote: >&

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable > to find if and where any error message is reported. My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot process: root@hawk:~# journalctl -b | gr

Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 01:18:34 -0700 From: David Christensen To: Gareth Evans On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote: On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/15/24 09

Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700 From: David Christensen To: Gareth Evans On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote: On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen wrote: On 4/16/24

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

In days of yore (Tue, 16 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > Look this is a kernel bug and Debian needs to > fix this! Don't give me any of this crap about upstream > this is a bug with the Debian Kernel! Pay attention, because I am now in Support Mode as a former Principal Technical Account Manager f

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 09:05:29AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > It has been known to happen that drivers implement workarounds for issues > > in the hardware itself, so that hardware bugs do not get tripped (or are > > tripped less often). > > 🙂 > > You make it sound like it's a rare occurren

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

> It has been known to happen that drivers implement workarounds for issues > in the hardware itself, so that hardware bugs do not get tripped (or are > tripped less often). 🙂 You make it sound like it's a rare occurrence, but it's actually quite common. Most of it is discrete so you'll rarely b

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

In days of yore (Tue, 16 Apr 2024), Sirius thus quoth: > In days of yore (Mon, 15 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > > So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card > > driver. Doing some reading turned up a Proxmox thread about the issues with these Int

Re: e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

In days of yore (Mon, 15 Apr 2024), Jamie thus quoth: > So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card > driver. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05480/ethernet-products.html notes that MSI interrupts may be problematic on some systems. Worth diggin

e1000e driver Network Card Detected Hardware Unit Hang

So  there is a very nasty bug in the e1000e network card driver. I am running Debian 12 Bookworm. You will get the message "Detected Hardware Unit Hang" and then the network card just stops working. This is a built in NIC  on the computer The computer is a is a HP Prodesk 600 G4 M

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote: On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote: ... I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years. Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!). ... Hi David, I can't speak for XFCE, but certainly for Mate there was a time

Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

GNU/Linux > > 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ > $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network-manager-gnome > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | > Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend > |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst

Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

debian-user: I have a Dell Latitude E6520: 2024-04-14 04:28:39 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 11.9 Linux laalaa 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 GNU/Linux 2024-04-14 04:34:40 dpchrist@laalaa ~ $ dpkg-query -l xfce4 network-manager network

[SOLVED Re: network-priority?

Hi all, thank you for the fast response. Your answers did help much and made everything clear. Have a nice weekend! Best Hans

Re: network-priority?

On 05/04/2024 04:29, David Wright wrote: autoconnect-priorityint32 0 [...] from https://developer-old.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/settings-connection.html (I don't know the significance of -old.) It is documented in nm-settings-nmcli(5)

Re: network-priority?

On Thu 04 Apr 2024 at 19:11:31 (+0200), Hans wrote: > again an easy thing, I did not understand and where I did not find a clear > answer in the web. > > Question: > > In network-manager I find "network-priority" set to "0". > > Is zero the highes

network-priority?

Hi folks, again an easy thing, I did not understand and where I did not find a clear answer in the web. Question: In network-manager I find "network-priority" set to "0". Is zero the highes priority or the lowest? Lets imagine, i have 3 wifi (wifi-1, wifi-2 and w

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

Thank you for your mail. On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:42 AM Andy Smith wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

Thank you for your quick reply. On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:22 AM Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at reboot some

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

systemctl disable connman Thank you for your help! Yes, good idea! (I don't have it, but a good point. Related, I read often in internet of similar possible issues with some network manager versions) I couldn't see the cause in the whole file system, and as Thankfully Pierre-Elliott Béc

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

Thank your for your quick and detailed reply. On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:01 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > > changing gateway. However, at

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:18 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > As it's a PVE kernel I guess you rely on Proxmox. > *Theoretically*, Proxmox VE uses /etc/network/interfaces.new to apply THIS! (OMG why didn't I see this! Thank you!!) ohh thanks so much for your quick reply, my &qu

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

Hello, On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set valu

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > Hi, > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly se

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

As it's a PVE kernel I guess you rely on Proxmox. *Theoretically*, Proxmox VE uses /etc/network/interfaces.new to apply its config and potential manual changes made by an administrator (changes that should be applied afterwards via ifreload). I'd wonder whether this mechanism is not th

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. So then the question is *which* of the many different subsystems is in use to s

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

ote: > > Hi, > > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set value. > What happens here? How can I get rid of this?

debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

Hi, I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set value. What happens here? How can I get rid of this? It is 100% reproducible. I have no

End this thread now, please. [WAS Re: Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

People, Please end the thread at this point. Thank you. As Andy Smith points out, I asked politely for this thread to cease a while ago because it would degenerate to more heat than light. I was wrong - it degenerated to futility. Please remember the FAQ: remember the Code of Conduct and the way

Re: Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:59 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote: > > On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: > >> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until > >> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *TH

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it > degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions > eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) ) Three weeks on a

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Will Mengarini wrote: >> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free >> language, removing the worst offenders from the scene often >> is enough. > > Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so > checking `apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of > important wo

Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote: On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?! At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: > Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until > your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?! At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the atmosphere to combine it w

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

* Mariusz Gronczewski [24-02/23=Fr 10:33 +0100]: >>> It's entirely US political feel-good activism that >>> doesn't change anything but wastes people's time. Do >>> you actually think pressing on brake pedal oppresses >>> anybody? Because it also has master and slave cylinders. >>> >>> All it do

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Mike Castle wrote: > Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any > type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements > leading to that conclusion? Relax, everyone does something somewhere. But it would be a boring world if they were only allowed to talk about that. --

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Alain D D Williams wrote: > That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed > offensive in *new* publications (books, newspaper articles, > ...) - this is not hard to do. Indeed, and that is what you should focus on. The past is the past anyway. > What we are faced with is something

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:01:30AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the > > work. > > Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of > explicit "I

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the > work. Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that conclusion? mr

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:42:25AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Mike Castle wrote: > > >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. > >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in > >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different > >> words will then be co

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Mike Castle wrote: >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different >> words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this >> all again? > > Yes. Remember, the

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:07 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour our > systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in, say, 20 years > time when different words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this > a

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Alain D D Williams wrote: > However that is not the way that the world works, or prolly > more accurately how some people think. They see > a word/phrase that they have decided that they "own" or > somehow relates to them [...] I am not black so I have no idea how black people consider everything

Docker Bridge network hangs all network

I'm running Debian 12.5 on a Dell Optiplex 990 with UEFI and a fast NVMe drive with 16Gb RAM. I've installed the latest Docker version 25. I have the exact same installation on a basic SATA spinning disk on the same machine as well. By default, Docker uses the Bridge network wh

Cease and desist, please [WAS Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP]

[Also copied to commun...@debian.org] t's time to kill this thread - nothing useful is being said at this point. At its best, this list is useful for helping people and for providing information. It's also a window on the world of Debian and how Debian contributors, regulars on the list (and t

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 11:22:50 Alain D D Williams napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades > > > walking back Po

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 07:29:32 napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > May I interject a different perspective? > > what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, > > that some see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 00:27:41 Marco Moock napisał(a): > Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100 > schrieb Emanuel Berg : > > > I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated > > with everything negative that is black in language. > > I can't understand why people draw that associat

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > > > [...] > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > > in what our software

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 19:44:44 Jeffrey Walton napisał(a): > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith > wrote: > > > > [...] > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > > in what our software

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:22:09AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > I think I'm out of it. *Plonk* > -- > t For keeping that promise would it be better to use "Reply-To-List". And in other cases is it also better to use "Reply-To-List". Groeten Geert Stappers P.S. The better e

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:30:35PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to > >> make efforts to help 1 or 2 h

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> May I interject a different perspective? >> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that >> some >> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teach

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > [...] > >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to >> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and >> healing. > > To make sure the "majority"

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > May I interject a different perspective? > what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that some > see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching those > people how to free themselves fro

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: [...] > The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to > make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and > healing. To make sure the "majority" stays majority for all so ever: white, male, West

Re: Q: Gnome network odd

line ; echo $? > Connecting... 30s [online] > 0 > Hellow Max! Actuallu i have a weak technical background. So i don't know well your professional analyze. Just i use default values by automatic. Anyway i attach some screenshot more. As you see to me: soyeomul@thinkpad-e495

Re: Q: Gnome network odd

On 05/02/2024 12:08, Byunghee HWANG (황병희) wrote: On Sun, 2024-02-04 at 13:41 -0600, David Wright wrote: So it would appear that your question is exactly as in the reference you quoted, that ifupdown was configuring wlp4s0 when /w/n/i was in place, resulting in NM displaying a question mark. Th

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 6:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to > human > > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking > > > I'm not s

Re: Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > [...] > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal > in what our software accepts is untenable in the face of a hostile > Internet. ++. Postel's Law

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