Re: New to Linux

2011-05-01 Thread shawn wilson
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu  wrote: >> >>> On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick >>> Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not >>> >>> suitable for

Re: New to Linux

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie. With Debian, you need

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-25 Thread Christopher Judd
On Thursday 21 April 2011 21:15:11 Heddle Weaver wrote: > ... > Yes, I've found this to be exactly the case. I've developed a strong > interest in quantum, chaos and game theory so I decided to up my math > ability. Applied to the local tech. colleges and discovered that they could > teach me hou

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Heddle Weaver wrote: The logs, algebra, geometry, etc., that I was learning in my first year of high school, isn't taught here in Australia until after the third year of high school, now. To get anything better I have to drop work/career and go to university at a phenomenal cost. The 'conspir

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 22 April 2011 10:39, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell wrote: > > > A couple of comments. > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman > > wrote: > > > > > > >It's been my experience that most users never read > > the manual. > > > Too much troubl

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell wrote: > A couple of comments. > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman > wrote: > > > > >It's been my experience that most users never read > the manual. > > Too much trouble.  When something breaks, they > find someone to > > fix it or te

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Alan McConnell wrote: OK, a little survey here. How many of you use mutt, or elm, or Evolution(?), and do your E-mail right from your home computer? I do, and since my ISP -- not PatriotNet, incidentally -- gives me a dynamic IP address I have

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Alan McConnell
A couple of comments. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > >It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. > Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to > fix it or tell them how to. No learning required. If someone tells you

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 21 April 2011 20:03:00 Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): > > Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand > > I thought that "lead around by the nose" was the correct (Queen's > English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native s

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand I thought that "lead around by the nose" was the correct (Queen's English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native speaker. -- Cheerio, Klistvud

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 21, 2011 1:58 PM, "Heddle Weaver" wrote: > > > > On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them how to. No learning required. > > > Most

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org > wrote: > > > > Like I said, "A Lot has changed > > in 12 years". Debian is more friendly > > > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there > > are others that are > > > friendlier, a lot fri

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by my initial statement th

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: > > Like I said, "A Lot has changed > in 12 years".  Debian is more friendly > > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there > are others that are > > friendlier, a lot friendlier. > > > > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debi

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick > Bartek wrote: > > > > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not > suitable for > > the Linux firsttimer.  I would never recommend it > to a noobie.  With > > Debian, you need to know, at least somew

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steven Rosenberg put forth on 4/18/2011 6:58 PM: > On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: >>> FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN >>> GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step >>> guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 19 April 2011 10:06, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > > > "Practicing" installing the system and doing it a bunch of times also helps > a lot. Massive A bunch? I've done it a million times more than necessary and everytime I've learnt something. I've fallen asleep over the keyboard installing for

Fwd: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Heddle Weaver
Sorry. That should have gone to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver Date: 19 April 2011 10:33 Subject: Re: New to Linux To: Steven Rosenberg On 19 April 2011 09:58, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: > &

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Steven Rosenberg
such steps so am not recommending them unless testing gets done with a significant sample size of users new to Linux first. If follow up study shows these users progress faster on their learning curves, then I'd recommend making these modifications. The bsd system has a learn utility that te

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This w

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Lisi
tems. A question like "Are you new to Linux (y/n)? in the install > script might not only install that package by default but also configure > boot up sequence such that once all was finished booting the user would > land inside the debian-reference application. I can't real

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Jude DaShiell
Actually, if a new user reads the contents of debian-reference before doing much else with Debian they'll solve that problem. The problem behind that is that debian-reference doesn't install by default on systems. A question like "Are you new to Linux (y/n)? in the install s

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 16, 2011 11:18 AM, wrote: > > > Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly > > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are > > friendlier, a lot friendlier. > > > > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for th

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread foldingstock
> Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are > friendlier, a lot friendlier. > > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the > Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for > the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie. With > Debian, you need to know, at least somewhat, what you're doing. For mere users (no administration)

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: > > FWIW: O'Reilly published a > Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN > > GNU/LINUX (c. 1999).  It was a very good > introduction and step-by-step > > guide to installing and using Debian.  I got it > for free from the Debian > > booth at Las Vegas C

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, shawn wilson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, > Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro > wrote: > > > >> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek > >> wrote: > >> > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh > >> wrote: > >> > > > FWIW: O'Reilly publishe

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Krzysztof Bieniasz
> FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN > GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step > guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian > booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This was the first year Linux had a > major presen

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro wrote: > >> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek >> wrote: >> > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh >> wrote: >> > > FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. > 1999).  It

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek > wrote: > > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh  > wrote: > > > >> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way > to start on things? > >> Currently I'm a Computer

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-14 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh  wrote: >> >>> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? >>> Currently I'm a Computer S

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-14 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh wrote: I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-14 Thread rishabh animesh
Thanks Larry! I'll get hold of the book asap! On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > > > - Original Message - > *From: *rishabh animesh > *To: *debian-user@lists.debian.org > *Sent: *4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM > *Subject: *New to Linux > > Hello People,

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Peter Beck
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:36 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > The author (or the copyright owner, depending of the country) may > change the licence at any moment. > However, he cannot remove rights to people who obtained the software > under GPL. a recent example is NoMachine NX4...they changed to clo

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 02:32:23PM CEST, Chen Wei said: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > > GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the > > rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a > > program released und

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Chen Wei
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the > rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a > program released under GPL or another F/OSS licence allows that snapshot in > time of

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Steven
On 2011-04-12 18:41, rishabh animesh wrote: > Hello People, > > I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? > Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with > algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ > but willing to learn more

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: >> >> on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: > > [snip] >> >>> I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a >>> forum >>> to promote program

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: [snip] I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a forum to promote programming among my peers where we organize monthly contests on this portal. www.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 12:41 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: [snip] As to Shawn's response: "per the source of virtualbox - oracle owns it. however, it is all under a gpl type license exept the usb driver which is close source." GPL protect the current incarnation of a project, what's to stop Oracle from relea

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Doug
On 4/12/2011 8:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? There's a two-step process, I recommend: 1: install Linux. 2: use it. Currently

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/04/11 10:17, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: > on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: >> Hello People, > > Um. So, are you asking a question or spamming your website? > :-D A quick look at the about page on the main domain that the poster claims to have created

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius
on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: > Hello People, > > I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? There's a two-step process, I recommend: 1: install Linux. 2: use it. > Currently I'm a Computer Science stude

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
I suppose my point was, get a virtualization platform and go to town. I disagree with the fears of some about vbox (at worst, it may go the way of LibraOffice). But use whatever really. Ps - knowing code has little to do with knowing a system. Than again I meet dumb as hell cs majors all the time

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Matthews wrote: They got borged by Oracle, IIRC, leaving them with at least 3 > different virtual platforms: virtualbox, solaris zones, virtual iron. > Ooo, and maybe one more whose name escapes me. They also bought up > Q-Layer, who were *great* ... and

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Jonathan Matthews
On 12 April 2011 16:34, shawn wilson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >>> >>> another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some >>> popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either).

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh wrote: > I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? > Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with > algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me > get st

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote: >> >> another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some >> popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest >> debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Peter Beck wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > > You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not > s/not/now (Dyslexia first thing in the morning caught me off guard :D) > > Oracle owned, it's licence might rad

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Peter Beck
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not > Oracle owned, it's licence might radically change without warning why not KVM ? If your processor supports VT I would go for KVM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-u

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote: another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some > popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest > debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and freebsd. then get virtual box and > have fun. go, install, snaps

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:41 AM, rishabh animesh wrote: > Hello People, > > I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? > Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with > algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ > but willing to le

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread owens
- Original Message - From: rishabh animesh To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: 4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM Subject: New to Linux Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 06:41 AM, rishabh animesh wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? What things? Have you yet actually *installed* Debian? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable wit

New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread rishabh animesh
Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me get started with the OS mentioned above! I need suggestio

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:45:05PM +, Glyn Astill wrote: > > 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su' binary > > available. > > > > The NOPASSWD option is not the default. > > No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd > just have to enter the passw

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-23 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: > hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to > play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i > can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the > root p

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-05-22_18:19:19, dwain wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hi, dwain I went back in the archives and read your original post. It is pretty clear to me from that post that you are a single user working on your own computer. There is no sysadmin to help or

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Neal Hogan
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, dwain wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> >> > i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i >> > update my system without being able to log in as root? >> > >> > now i don't mind a spirited discussio

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:09:17PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > > [snip] > > A last resort would be: > > 1.physically disconnect the box from the network. > 2.boot a live CD

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > i too was disappointed. i tried su and authentication failed. how do i > > update my system without being able to log in as root? > > > > now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs. > su, > > but my origina

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > > > I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my > > original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my > > understanding the whole purpose of sudo is s

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my > original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my > understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root > privileges for that given command inst

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In Friday 22 May 2009, Glyn wrote: >--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> Glyn Astill wrote: >> > ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea. >> >> Um, no. With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to >> type in their >> password unless they had recently given their >> credentials. If you want

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 9:20 PM > In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Glyn Astill wrote: >--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have >> to prefix >> privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to re-auth >> such actions by >> entering your pass

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 8:14 PM > In <20090522183807.ga16...@marksh

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <78582fa40905221202r3efedabege566a47c61144...@mail.gmail.com>, S Scharf wrote: >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer < >subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com >wrote: >> It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log >> in on a separate, secure console, thereby elim

RE: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread George
>From: S Scharf [mailto:ss11...@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:03 PM >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer >wrote: >It *would* be safer to us

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20090522183807.ga16...@markshroyer.com>, Mark Shroyer wrote: >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: >> You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make >> his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is >> pretty much the same as runni

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread S Scharf
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer < subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com >wrote: > > It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log > in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of > password sniffing from a compromised regular account. H

sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: > You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his > system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty > much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian > system. It is what wa

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Thorny
On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:14:59 -0400, George posted: > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. > > > > If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and > type: > > $ su > > $ > > # aptitude update <- let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if there

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:45:03AM -0400, Bob Parnes wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:24:49AM -0400, Daryl Styrk wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: > > > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. >

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
-Original Message- From: Daryl Styrk [mailto:darylst...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:25 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. > > > # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. > The new line will look just like the line

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
orge Randall From: dwain [mailto:dwain.alf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:03 AM To: debian Subject: new to list, new to debian, new to linux hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: > hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to > play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i > can't sudo into root. i can get into the

new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Frank Lanitz escreveu: > I was referring to the confidential stuff ;) > But you quoted Eugene's comment ont it, which made your message somewhat ambiguous as to what you were refering to. -- Eduardo M Kalinowski edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@list

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 05 January 2009, Martin, Larry D wrote: > I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. > > > > When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the "Load > from CD/DVD" operation I get: > > ""An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Frank Lanitz
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:41:57 +0200 "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > Frank Lanitz wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 > > "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > > > >> Martin, Larry D wrote: > >>> This E-mail and any of its attachments [] > >> This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lis

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 08:20, Martin, Larry D wrote: I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the “Load from CD/DVD” operation I get: “"An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software that can be lo

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Frank Lanitz wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 > "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > >> Martin, Larry D wrote: >>> This E-mail and any of its attachments [] >> This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly >> archived and therefore the noted message has no sense. > > No

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 05 January 2009 14:20:16 Martin, Larry D wrote: > I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. > > > > When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the "Load > from CD/DVD" operation I get: > > ""An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the s

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Frank Lanitz
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > Martin, Larry D wrote: > > This E-mail and any of its attachments [] > This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly > archived and therefore the noted message has no sense. Notes like this doesn't make sense

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Martin, Larry D wrote: > This E-mail and any of its attachments [] This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly archived and therefore the noted message has no sense. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com Ukrainian C++ Developer, Debian Maint

New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Martin, Larry D
I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the "Load from CD/DVD" operation I get: ""An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software that can be loaded." I am not sure if this is an HMC

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-05 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look through, I used the first link in the email I was given (http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html) and under the heading, "Stock or Custom Kernel?" I ran the following in a terminal: apt-cache policy kernel-image-$(uname -r) and I was give

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-05 Thread Dave Ewart
On Saturday, 04.03.2006 at 16:51 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > Dave Ewart wrote: > >As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would *like* to > >open-source their drivers, but that parts of the driver code include > >code (and other patented/copyrighted stuff??) from third parties, > >such

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread travis . newton
I took a look through, I used the first link in the email I was given (http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html) and under the heading, "Stock or Custom Kernel?" I ran the following in a terminal: apt-cache policy kernel-image-$(uname -r) and I was given the following: kernel-ima

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
Dave Ewart wrote: kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source. I wonder if they are really gaining anything in the end (with all the discomfort caused to their end users using Linux). As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would *l

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread Dave Ewart
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source. I > wonder if they are really gaining anything in the end (with all the > discomfort caused to their end users using Linux). As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would *like* to open-source th

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread H.S.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello fellow Debian Users! > > I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give > it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I > went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it in

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread david robert
try here good place for nvidia drivers in debian   http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Debian Users!I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to giveit a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now,

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my problem: I need to get the kernel source to get the NVIDIA drivers in. I'm using Debian 3.1, the latest. You can try http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?highlight=%28nvidia%29 It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source. I

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello fellow Debian Users! > > I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give > it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I > went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it in

Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread travis . newton
Hello fellow Debian Users! I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it installed. However, my previous Linux encounters were

Re: Hello I'm new to Linux, anybody can tell me the best way of learning it. I'm interest in realtime applications

2005-10-26 Thread peter colton
hello Eduardo, have a look at the link below its from mark shuttlework foundation " linux learning " the ubuntu peaple. hope it get you on your gnu/linux way. http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/moodle/ peter colton On Monday 24 October 2005 18:29, Exal de

Re: Hello I'm new to Linux, anybody can tell me the best way of learning it. I'm interest in realtime applications

2005-10-24 Thread Christian Convey
You need a project, that you'll tenaciously work on until you complete it. In the process, you'll encounter various problems. Learning how to solve those problems will improve your understanding of Linux and/or a programming/scripting language. When you encounter these problems, first use Google

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