On 12.11.2023 23:34, Andy Smith wrote:
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 05:48:27PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it!
…although I did forget that Nvidia acquired Mellanox in 2019 and
since then has scrapped the Mellanox brand name, so the good times
are pr
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 05:48:27PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it!
…although I did forget that Nvidia acquired Mellanox in 2019 and
since then has scrapped the Mellanox brand name, so the good times
are probably over. 🙁
Hello,
I came across this article today and it made me really happy to see.
A 32x100G switch with open source, upstreamed drivers, running
Debian. All aspects of the port settings, VLANs, etc all configured
using standard Linux tools.
Well done Mellanox, and Debian. I hope to see more of it
On Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 05:52:48PM +0100, mick.crane wrote:
> On 2023-06-08 19:08, Mike Castle wrote:
>
> > I couldn't afford a large enough harddrive for the second system, nor
> > ethernet cards (and a local shop was going to charge me $50 to make a
> > crossover cable if I went that route!).
>
On Fri 09 Jun 2023 at 13:12:36 (+0100), James Addison wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 11:52:28 +0100, wrote:
> > On Fri 09 Jun 2023 at 10:44:23 (+0100), James Addison wrote:
> > > (in terms of practicalities: I realize that if there were no
> > > initrd/initramfs, then the kernel would need to know o
On 2023-06-08 19:08, Mike Castle wrote:
I couldn't afford a large enough harddrive for the second system, nor
ethernet cards (and a local shop was going to charge me $50 to make a
crossover cable if I went that route!).
swapping around the red and red-white with the green and green-white
wire
> What you should consider is that this initramfs setup allows you to
> pull the disk from your (possibly dead) computer and stuff it into
> some other (with hopefully similar architecture) and you have at
> least a fair chance that the thing will boot, because at initramfs
> time some modules are
On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 11:52:28 +0100, wrote:
> On Fri 09 Jun 2023 at 10:44:23 (+0100), James Addison wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - t
On Fri 09 Jun 2023 at 10:44:23 (+0100), James Addison wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could
> > > contain many different operating sy
On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could
> > contain many different operating systems, with the potential for
> > dynamic resizing. But it feels like we
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote:
[...]
> Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could
> contain many different operating systems, with the potential for
> dynamic resizing. But it feels like we haven't landed on the simplest
> way to approximat
On 2023-06-08, James Addison wrote:
> Basically what I'm wondering about is whether there's some kind of
> future utopia where operating system filesystem images -- and the
> process of managing and booting from them -- could be made
> significantly simpler.
You can already do that. Compile a ker
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:13:30 +0200, Sven wrote:
> On 2023-06-08 15:41 +0100, James Addison wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an
> > initramfs?
>
> I did this in the distance past, some 15 years ago or so. Have long
>
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:50 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Merged-usr is officially mandated for bookworm, and upgrades to bookworm
> will do the merge, if it hasn't already happened.
End of an era. My first Linux system (predating the existence of
Debian), mounted /usr over NFS over PLIP.
I couldn
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 06:34:36PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
> IIUC trixy will enforce merged-usr, it's optional until then. (bicbw, it
> might be bookworm that will enforce it - all my systems are already
> merged and I don't run testing)
Merged-usr is officially mandated for bookworm, and upgrad
On Thu, 8 Jun 2023, James Addison wrote:
Hi folks,
Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an initramfs?
I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/desktop/server systems,
because I think that a large motivating factor to use initramfs --
across many distribu
On 2023-06-08, James Addison wrote:
> Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an initramfs?
>
> I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/desktop/server systems,
> because I think that a large motivating factor to use initramfs --
> across many dis
On 2023-06-08 15:41 +0100, James Addison wrote:
> Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an initramfs?
I did this in the distance past, some 15 years ago or so. Have long
abandoned that idea, though.
> I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/des
Hi folks,
Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an initramfs?
I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/desktop/server systems,
because I think that a large motivating factor to use initramfs --
across many distributions -- was to provide a mechanism
outsid
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 06:05:48PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2023 22 Mar 14:06 -0500, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
>> Well, I was trying to see if one could get reasonable hardware that
>> doesn't have untrustable stuff like Intel ME and AMD PSP, (...)
> I understand. I know there was a lo
On Wed, 2023-03-22 at 23:59 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I understand. I know there was a lot of speculation about it a
> > couple
> > years back or so but has it been conclusively determined that it
> > acts in
> > any nefarious manner?
>
> AFAIK the information necessary to be able to asses
> I understand. I know there was a lot of speculation about it a couple
> years back or so but has it been conclusively determined that it acts in
> any nefarious manner?
AFAIK the information necessary to be able to assess whether it may act
in a nefarious manner (or not) is missing.
As poor pe
* On 2023 22 Mar 14:06 -0500, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 05:11:17AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > Why have you ruled out a system with an integrated Intel GPU?
>
> Well, I was trying to see if one could get reasonable hardware that
> doesn't have untrustable stuff like I
Am 21. Mar, 2023 schwätzte Teemu Likonen so:
moin moin,
* 2023-03-21 00:02:10+0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
days?
Maybe from Tuxedo: https
* 2023-03-22 20:05:21+0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Well, I was trying to see if one could get reasonable hardware that
> doesn't have untrustable stuff like Intel ME and AMD PSP, and in
> integrated Intel GPU requires an Intel CPU and thus having an Intel
> ME...
"Reasonable" is vague but he
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 05:11:17AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Why have you ruled out a system with an integrated Intel GPU?
Well, I was trying to see if one could get reasonable hardware that
doesn't have untrustable stuff like Intel ME and AMD PSP, and in
integrated Intel GPU requires an Intel
Why have you ruled out a system with an integrated Intel GPU? I've been
quite satisfied with the integrated Intel GPUs for quite some time.
They work well with the compositors in Xfce and GNOME. They don't seem
to have any issues with XScreensaver's 3D modules. This is the extent of
my 3D experi
>>> Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
>>> reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
>> Define your notion of "reasonable" for price and for performance.
> Performance-wise, for the laptop, I'd li
* 2023-03-21 00:02:10+0100, Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
> reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
> days?
Maybe from Tuxedo: https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/why-TUXEDO.tuxedo
(I don
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 09:33:26PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
>> reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
> Define your notion of "reasonable" for price and for performance.
On 2023-03-21 09:55, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 9:34 PM Stefan Monnier
wrote:
> Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
> reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
Define your notion of "reasonable" f
On 21/3/23 10:20, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
On a tangent, I've just set up a Debian 11 Linode LEMP server with 1GB
RAM and 10GB Disk.
It's not in the least troubled by the limited memory. Also there is no
swap in the default image - which seem sensible as it's on a SSD and
you don't want to be e
On 21/3/23 10:02, Stefan Monnier wrote:
So, maybe there's a "good" reason why Apple still configures their
cheapest laptop with only 8GB of RAM: for "normal" work it's still
perfectly sufficient, despite all the best efforts of web site designers
out there.
[ But I would recommend against buyi
> https://wiki.debian.org/RISC-V#ASIC_implementations.2C_i.e._.22real.22_CPU_chips
> lists only "small" SoC systems , not something that looks like I would
> like to compile something the size of LibreOffice on. In that list the
> highest memory supported seems to be 8GB... Nowadays software seems
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 9:34 PM Stefan Monnier
wrote:
> > Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
> > reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
>
> Define your notion of "reasonable" for price and for performance.
>
> Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
> reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
Define your notion of "reasonable" for price and for performance.
Stefan "who finds a Core2 Duo to offer reasonable performance"
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 05:23:09PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
>> It seems the only serious contenders, available new, with a future,
>> would be Power and ARM?
> Any thoughts on RISC-V?
Not a released Debian architecture/port, which spells trouble for
"just using it". Is it on good path to bec
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 00:02:10 +0100
Lionel Élie Mamane wrote:
> I also kinda hope for something rather quiet, too,
> I've been developing increasing tinnitus and I already wear
> noise-cancelling headphones when next to my desktop :-|
Take a look at https://silentpc.com.
>
> It seems the only s
Is there any good low-hassle freedom-respecting reasonable price
reasonable performance computer platform for running Debian these
days? My main computers (desktop and laptop) are due for a planned
refresh (like, for once, not refreshing in urgency because they
broke). The more free-as-in-freedom
On 4/27/22 05:24, Will Mengarini wrote:
* Tom Browder [22-04/27=We 05:50 -0500]:
I really appreciate all the advice, but I am
not going to build from scratch again [...].
Just in case anybody's discouraged that the OP won't build from
scratch, I just want to say /I/ found this thread valuable
On 4/27/22 03:50, Tom Browder wrote:
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 08:49 Christian Britz wrote:
...
I really appreciate all the advice, but I am not going to build from
scratch again (but I will encourage my grandchildren if they ever get
interested). In that vein, the link on the modern build-your-
* Tom Browder [22-04/27=We 05:50 -0500]:
> I really appreciate all the advice, but I am
> not going to build from scratch again [...].
Just in case anybody's discouraged that the OP won't build from
scratch, I just want to say /I/ found this thread valuable too.
Where do you all buy parts? Alte
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 08:49 Christian Britz wrote:
...
I really appreciate all the advice, but I am not going to build from
scratch again (but I will encourage my grandchildren if they ever get
interested). In that vein, the link on the modern build-your-own case
(Fractal Design) from David wa
On 2022-04-26 15:28 UTC+0200, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> As a Debian user who considers current computer hardware should have a life
> expectancy of at least 10 years, my main question w.r.t to those beasts
> is what part of the hardware is supported by the vanilla Linux kernel
> (since that's gen
On 2022-04-26 10:49 UTC+0200, Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> I also use a fanless home server, but it's definitely no slouch.
>
> My one is a NanoPi M4V2 usingRockchip RK3399 64-bit Dual Core Cortex-A72 +
> Quad Core Cortex-A53 It
[...]
> snappy. It gets 12.47 seconds in the hardinfo n-queens test w
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:25:46AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
remote ones. I am looking at Dell's site and an almost-empty chassis with a
low-end Intel, 1 TB SATA, and 8 Gb ECC RAM is in the $800 ball park. It
looks very upgr
On 26/4/22 2:56 pm, Christian Britz wrote:
On 2022-04-25 23:58 UTC+0200, Stefan Monnier wrote:
That's quite vague. I myself use a BananaPi as home server with good
results (for my use case anyway), but I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't
cover half the needs of some other people's notion of "ho
On 2022-04-25 23:58 UTC+0200, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> That's quite vague. I myself use a BananaPi as home server with good
> results (for my use case anyway), but I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't
> cover half the needs of some other people's notion of "home server".
I agree with Stefan. I am
On 4/25/22 18:57, Felix Miata wrote:
Tom Browder composed on 2022-04-25 18:30 (UTC-0400):
I'm now 78 and don't do serious building any more--I stand a good chance of
frying a CPU! And I wouldn't trust any of my friends, either ;-D
IMO, almost everyone who can admin a server can build one. It'
Tom Browder composed on 2022-04-25 18:30 (UTC-0400):
> I'm now 78 and don't do serious building any more--I stand a good chance of
> frying a CPU! And I wouldn't trust any of my friends, either ;-D
IMO, almost everyone who can admin a server can build one. It's a lot simpler
than
it was 30-40 ye
On 4/25/22 15:30, Tom Browder wrote:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:07 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:25:46AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
remote ones.
And to all others, thanks for your advice.
I'm now
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:07 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:25:46AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> > I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
> > remote ones.
...
The HP Microserver is the same sort of beast: HPE Proliant Microserver
> Gen 10
On 4/25/22 08:25, Tom Browder wrote:
I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
remote ones. I am looking at Dell's site and an almost-empty chassis with a
low-end Intel, 1 TB SATA, and 8 Gb ECC RAM is in the $800 ball park. It
looks very upgradeable.
Anyone have an
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:27:24AM -0600, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:07:28 +
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>
> > Alternatively, it might be worth looking at something small and silent
> > from a US? equivalent of QuietPC / Overclockers UK.
>
> I've had good results from si
Tom Browder wrote:
> I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
> remote ones. I am looking at Dell's site and an almost-empty chassis with a
> low-end Intel, 1 TB SATA, and 8 Gb ECC RAM is in the $800 ball park. It
> looks very upgradeable.
>
> Anyone have any sugge
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:07:28 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Alternatively, it might be worth looking at something small and silent
> from a US? equivalent of QuietPC / Overclockers UK.
I've had good results from silentpc.com, in Washington state.
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 10:25:46AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
> I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
> remote ones. I am looking at Dell's site and an almost-empty chassis with a
> low-end Intel, 1 TB SATA, and 8 Gb ECC RAM is in the $800 ball park. It
> looks ver
I am looking for a commercial grade server (for home use) to replace my
remote ones. I am looking at Dell's site and an almost-empty chassis with a
low-end Intel, 1 TB SATA, and 8 Gb ECC RAM is in the $800 ball park. It
looks very upgradeable.
Anyone have any suggestions on whether to buy or not?
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 7:01 PM Gregory Seidman <
gsslist+deb...@anthropohedron.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 08:02:32PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:
> > Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
> > (windows-system-for-linux) machine?
>
> Yes, I use
On 3/26/21 12:37 PM, David Christensen wrote:
AIUI ... there is no such thing as installing another Linux
distribution on top of WSL.
Right and wrong -- you can install a WSL 2 version of Debian GNU/Linux
into WSL 2 via the Microsoft Store:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 08:02:32PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:
> Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
> (windows-system-for-linux) machine?
Yes, I use WSL2 on my work machine and run Debian in it.
[...]
> In particular, i would like to
> (a) be able to remotely ac
Dan Hitt writes:
Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL (windows-system-for-
linux) machine?
Yes, limited experience with it here :)
I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
also use it myself. So i would like to be able to ssh in, back
On 3/25/21 8:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
(windows-system-for-linux) machine?
I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
also use it myself. So i would like to be able to ssh in, back up files
into it, and do
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:23:05PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
[...]
> So maybe you can just ditch the Windows part,
:-)
Some aren't so lucky. Microsoft's latest trick is to outsource
the compulsory part to emp
On 3/26/2021 4:02 AM, Dan Hitt wrote:
Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
(windows-system-for-linux) machine?
I'm not able to directly answer your question but I wanted to point out
that you could also look at Cygwin or Qemu.
In the case of Qemu, Debian would be the
On Thu, Mar 25 2021 at 08:02:32 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
> (windows-system-for-linux) machine?
>
I use WSL (not the newer WSL2) on a work computer.
> I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
&
On 3/25/21 8:23 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
(windows-system-for-linux) machine?
I don't, sorry.
I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
also use it myself.
But I do have experience with using D
> Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
> (windows-system-for-linux) machine?
I don't, sorry.
> I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
> also use it myself.
But I do have experience with using Debian for "the family c
Does anybody have any experience running debian on a WSL
(windows-system-for-linux) machine?
I need to get a machine for family use, but i would also like to be able to
also use it myself. So i would like to be able to ssh in, back up files
into it, and do other tasks, maybe even a little
On Wed 18 Nov 2020 at 13:03:13 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:18:33PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> > David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
> >
> > > IIRC the Release Notes usually
> > > recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
> >
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:18:33PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
IIRC the Release Notes usually
recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
in the distribution upgrade process.
I don't recall ever seeing that. Curious.
Eve
David Wright composed on 2020-11-18 09:46 (UTC-0600):
> IIRC the Release Notes usually
> recommend upgrading the kernel (its minor version upgrade) early
> in the distribution upgrade process.
I don't recall ever seeing that. Curious.
Even though all my own installations are in multiboot, for Fed
On Mi, 18 nov 20, 09:46:04, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 17 Nov 2020 at 17:43:43 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > Depending on when in the release cycle the dist-upgrade is done the
> > newer kernel image may not even be available yet
>
> All the kernels listed above are available now. The O
On Tue 17 Nov 2020 at 17:43:43 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 17 nov 20, 09:24:05, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > > > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > >
> > >
On Ma, 17 nov 20, 09:24:05, David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
On Sun 15 Nov 2020 at 10:41:55 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >
> > > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
> > > easy as they can since:
> > > jessie installs with
On Sb, 14 nov 20, 16:36:03, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
>
> >
> > I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
> > easy as they can since:
> > jessie installs with 3.16 but 4.9 is also available,
> > stretch installs with 4.9 but
Charles Curley writes:
> True. But it does require emacs. Which in the context of the OP's
> requirement, stands for "Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping" :-)
It was "eight Megs and constantly swapping": eight Megs was huge on a
Vax.
In the 90s I ran text-mode Emacs on a 386 box with 16M with no
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 14:41:40 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Charles Curley writes:
> >And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
>
> Gnus doesn't even require ncurses.
True. But it does require emacs. Which in the context of the OP's
requirement, stands for "Eighty Megs And
Charles Curley writes:
>And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
Gnus doesn't even require ncurses.
--
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jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Miroslav Skoric composed on 2020-11-14 17:02 (UTC+0100):
> I understood from this thread that after distro upgrade
> from 8 to 9 shall work in CLI, and then look for a simple window manager
> & light mail processor.
I can't imagine why it wouldn't work. Last night I performed a fresh
installat
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:49:05 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> In my opinion, mutt is the best mail user agent of all. It's
> also one of the most efficient.
And has the further virtue of not requiring a GUI, only ncurses.
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https://charlescurley.com
https://ch
Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/12/20 9:53 AM, Michael Lange wrote:
>
> In any case, I understood from this thread that after distro upgrade from 8
> to 9 shall work in CLI, and then look for a simple window manager & light
> mail processor.
In my opinion, mutt is the best mail user agent of all
On 11/13/20 3:52 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Beware that LTS support for jessie ended in June 2020.
https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
That system should be upgraded to some release with security support as
soon as possible, especially since it's dealing with e-mail as far as I
understand
On 11/13/20 9:29 PM, David Wright wrote:
I would have thought that Debian has made kernel testing just about as
easy as they can since:
jessie installs with 3.16 but 4.9 is also available,
stretch installs with 4.9 but 4.19 is also available,
buster installs with 4.19
so there's full overla
On 11/12/20 9:53 AM, Michael Lange wrote:
A really good option in this field is IceWM. It has everything a typical
user needs out-of-the-box and is extremely lightweight (and themeable).
From my own experience I agree about that.
Still, the tricky part will be to choose other gui programs
> The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
> gets used or over-used, and the machine locks.
AFAIK this is not a common problem. There's a known problem in ZFS that
exhibits this behavior, and IIRC there could be similar problems in the
past if you tried to swap ov
On Fri 13 Nov 2020 at 16:52:41 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 13 nov 20, 14:06:52, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> > On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > > Miroslav Skoric writes:
> > > > On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old p
On 2020-11-13 17:09, Dan Ritter wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:20 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
Something ate it. Weird. d...@randomstring.org is correct.
was sent to d...@randomstring.org
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Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
> gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
> message. Linux always behaved that way. BSD-derived OS's running on the
> very same commodity Intel hardware dont have that
The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
message. Linux always behaved that way. BSD-derived OS's running on the
very same commodity Intel hardware dont have that problem. Among my fellow
system a
The problem is the same as the original post: something bad happens, swap
gets used or over-used, and the machine locks. Without even a warning
message. BSD-derived OS's running on the very same commodity Intel hardware
dont have that problem. Why does linux?
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:20 AM Dan Ritt
Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> I guess Im not the only crank with antique hardware. One of my few unending
> beefs with the linux kernel is swap behavior. Everyone knows what it's for
> and how it "works". But even glancing thru the code doesn't explain its
> real-time run-time behavior. In contrast,
I guess Im not the only crank with antique hardware. One of my few unending
beefs with the linux kernel is swap behavior. Everyone knows what it's for
and how it "works". But even glancing thru the code doesn't explain its
real-time run-time behavior. In contrast, the last time I had swap issues
li
On Vi, 13 nov 20, 14:06:52, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
>
> > Miroslav Skoric writes:
> >
> > > On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is
> > > > important to
> > > > test if the new kern
> When it happens, I'll probably play the same 'upgrade game' with the next
> 'elderly' candidate (CPU Athlon XP 2500+ 1.84 GHz, 512 MB RAM). I purchased
> it some ten years ago as then second-hand, for some 70 US$, incl. CRT
> display, keyboard, mouse ... I have recently upgraded it from Deb 8 to
On 11/13/20 12:12 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Miroslav Skoric writes:
On 11/11/20 7:09 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
Pentium II is old indeed. Whenever using old processors, it is
important to
test if the new kernel will still support them.
So maybe I shall try some newer kernel only?
If you have an ea
On 11/13/20 2:36 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have been only cursorily following here, since I don't use debian, but
I wonder if you might
consider upgrading your mother board to a new one the same size and
shape, with
a faster processor and probably more ram. Then the latest version of deb
wou
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:01:19PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
> At first, I wondered whether Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM, would
> make it even bootable after upgrading 8 to 9. (Without any GUI, if needed to
> be removed before the upgrade).
Yes, it will boot, assuming the upgrade is
On Jo, 12 nov 20, 23:01:19, Miroslav Skoric wrote:
>
> At first, I wondered whether Pentium II Celeron 400 MHz, 224 MB RAM, would
> make it even bootable after upgrading 8 to 9. (Without any GUI, if needed to
> be removed before the upgrade).
>
> And when bootable, what GUI might be workable at b
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