Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: No package creates /etc/apt/apt.conf that I know about. And if it did then it would be a bug because that is supposed to be reserved for the local sysadmin. If a package did want to create a configuration for apt then it should

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-13 Thread Colin
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: By default, source.lists uses the naming stable, testing and unstable; However, you can use instead woody or sarge that would be simlinks that will always point to the right directory, whatever of the eventual switch. No, that's backwards. stable, testing and

Re: Debian version and apt.conf (was Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it)

2005-06-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:39:02PM -0400, Marty wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function without it? In particular, how do you specify your Debian version?!

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 05:12:41PM -0500, Colin Ingram wrote: In a nut shell you can control your version with the apt.conf/preferences files or by only downloading a package list from a single release. Three questions (gotta get Monty Python outta this) 1) User copies

Re: Debian version and apt.conf (was Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it)

2005-06-12 Thread Marty
Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:39:02PM -0400, Marty wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function without it? In particular, how do you specify

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Hi ! I'm actually the one who launched this subject. Arguments have fused quite well. I think now everybody knows about packages versions and repositories. I let you remember what was the questions i firstly ask. I run sarge since september and i really appreciate it. I used to update

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Right, This could be interresting to debate about. It's still about debian version, packages version and repositories. Broadly, package are evoluting that way : The package is in really beta version in the unstable tree. Then most of the bugs are fixed and this package slides to the testing

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Marty
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: It seems that the BIG SWITCH let my system a kind of orphelin I think you are massively overcomplicating the problem... You wrote ealier that your last upgrade was on the 2nd of june (FYI here in the US 02/06/2005 is usually interpreted as Feb 6 2005) and you

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Marty wrote: Guillaume TESSIER wrote: It seems that the BIG SWITCH let my system a kind of orphelin I think you are massively overcomplicating the problem... Marty, I know i'm overcomplicating the problem. But i think there is really something that bugs. This means you are

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread David Jardine
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 08:35:00PM +0200, Guillaume TESSIER wrote: [...] There is a problem. A package with the same version number won't contain the same binaries at different T time in the different trees. Apt doesn't know about binaries. It only looks at the

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Colin Ingram
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Marty wrote: This means : the package-2.0 is my system (taken from the testing repositories at (BIG-SWITCH -4)) could be different than the package-2.0 in the stable repositories. And APT won't see it and won't upgrade this package. Therefore it seems it's not

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Colin Ingram
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Right, This could be interresting to debate about. It's still about debian version, packages version and repositories. Broadly, package are evoluting that way : The package is in really beta version in the unstable tree. Then most of the bugs are fixed and this

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Apt doesn't know about binaries. It only looks at the version number. Correct. This means : the package-2.0 is my system (taken from the testing repositories at (BIG-SWITCH -4)) could be different than the package-2.0 in the stable repositories. No that is

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Chris Bannister wrote: Three questions (gotta get Monty Python outta this) 1) User copies /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf to /etc/apt/apt.conf and edits to suit? No. That is an example configuration file to illustrate features configuration file and a very few possible features, that

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Proulx
Marty wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: APT does not know or care about any Debian version that you seem to be trying to make up. It does not exist. Don't try to create one. I guess these guys didn't hear the news: algernon:/home/marty# dlocate debian_version base-files: /etc/debian_version

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Joe Potter
Bob Proulx wrote: Marty wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: snip You are very close to trolling. Please don't do that. Bob Hi Bob, He may be close to trolling, but I am glad they all got those posts out of you. What great explanations of the situation. I have tried to impart this information in

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Marty
Joe Potter wrote: He may be close to trolling, but I am glad they all got those posts out of you. I'm not trolling nor did I make up idea of the debian version. I just asked a few questions about it, seeking clarification. Thanks to all who responded, and thanks for your patience too.

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread John Hasler
Guillaume TESSIER writes: A package with the same version number won't contain the same binaries at different T time in the different trees. What ever gave you that idea? of _course_ it will. In fact, it is exactly the same _file_. Look up package pools. This means : the package-2.0 is my

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-12 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Colin Ingram wrote: packages with the same version number have the same binaries and are exactly the same no matter if they are in unstable, testing, or stale Bob and Colin, Thanks for giving me all these informations and lead my behaviour in the right way. Yes, i missed something : i

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-11 Thread Bob Proulx
Marty wrote: So what you are saying is consistent with the others -- apt does not know or care about the Debian version. I knew this to be true with dpkg, but not apt. APT does not know or care about any Debian version that you seem to be trying to make up. It does not exist. Don't try to

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-11 Thread Marty
Bob Proulx wrote: APT does not know or care about any Debian version that you seem to be trying to make up. It does not exist. Don't try to create one. I guess these guys didn't hear the news: algernon:/home/marty# dlocate debian_version base-files: /etc/debian_version

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Tony Godshall wrote: According to Marty, Tony Godshall wrote: According to Marty, Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically,

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Colin Ingram
Another point : in sources.list : changing testing by stable or testing by sarge returns me error when updating. Like apt can't find the repositories Does someone remember the command to reconfigure to get the choice of mirrors? G I use apt-spy to find mirrors. You can update the

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Clive Menzies
On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Colin Ingram wrote: Another point : in sources.list : changing testing by stable or testing by sarge returns me error when updating. Like apt can't find the repositories Does someone remember the command to reconfigure to get the choice of mirrors? G I use apt-spy to find

Debian version and apt.conf (was Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it)

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Clive Menzies wrote: On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function without it? In particular, how do you specify your Debian version?! I think it's mainly for situations where you have multiple

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread John Hasler
Marty writes: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. toncho/~ 1 ls /etc/apt apt-file.conf apt.conf.d listchanges.conf sources.list -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
John Hasler said: Marty writes: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. toncho/~ 1 ls /etc/apt apt-file.conf apt.conf.d listchanges.conf sources.list [EMAIL PROTECTED] pad]$ ls /etc/apt apt.conf.d sources.list -- /phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Apt can fonction without [apt.conf]. Unless you have specific network settings (like access through proxy) then you don't need it. Either its an empty file either it's not there. If you use testing it might be there of not depending of the moment of your upgrade.

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Marty wrote: Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Apt can fonction without [apt.conf]. Unless you have specific network settings (like access through proxy) then you don't need it. Either its an empty file either it's not there. If you use testing it might be there of not depending of the moment of

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Colin Ingram
Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Colin Ingram wrote: Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Colin Ingram
Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: Apt uses its default behavior if you don't have an apt.conf file. As for version this default behavior is to update to the newest version available. It seems like you are referring to package version. I was referring to Debian version, e.g. sarge,

i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Hi! I have been using debian sarge while in testing for some times and got really satisfied. However, i tought i'd just continue to use when it well get frozen. I'm not that much of a purist but Woody was really outdated. The problem is that i did some apt-get upgrade a fiew days ago (don't

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Marty
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Hi! I have been using debian sarge while in testing for some times and got really satisfied. However, i tought i'd just continue to use when it well get frozen. I'm not that much of a purist but Woody was really outdated. The problem is that i did some apt-get

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Clive Menzies
On (09/06/05 15:05), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Hi! I have been using debian sarge while in testing for some times and got really satisfied. However, i tought i'd just continue to use when it well get frozen. I'm not that much of a purist but Woody was really outdated. The problem is

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Jonathan Kaye
En/La Guillaume TESSIER ha escrit, a 09/06/05 15:05: Hi! snip My question would be : am i really using etch by now? And broadly : what am i running It's a bit irritating not knowing what you're running.. Thanks, as i guess i'm not alone to wonder what is in his comp

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Clive Menzies
On (09/06/05 17:50), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (09/06/05 15:05), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Hi! I have been using debian sarge while in testing for some times and got really satisfied. However, i tought i'd just continue to use when it well get frozen. I'm not

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (09/06/05 17:50), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Clive Menzies wrote: On (09/06/05 15:05), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Hi! I have been using debian sarge while in testing for some times and got really satisfied. However, i tought

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Marty wrote: Guillaume TESSIER wrote: what is this : dpkg/apt var package directories should tell the story. What is the absolut path of it? There are many individual files that get updated, in directories or in subdirectories of, /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt, /var/cache/apt,

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Basajaun
Clive Menzies wrote: On (09/06/05 15:05), Guillaume TESSIER wrote: [snip] The problem is that i did some apt-get upgrade a fiew days ago (don't remember exactly which days...) and i hear yesteday that debian sarge got frozen. Therefore everything has slided : and as my apt-sources are

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Marty
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Marty wrote: Guillaume TESSIER wrote: what is this : dpkg/apt var package directories should tell the story. What is the absolut path of it? There are many individual files that get updated, in directories or in subdirectories of, /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/apt,

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Marty
Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically, the apt conffile /etc/apt/apt.conf must indicate the debian version. e.g. mine contains: APT::Get::Show-Upgraded true;

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Clive Menzies
On (09/06/05 14:07), Marty wrote: Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically, the apt conffile /etc/apt/apt.conf must indicate the debian version. e.g. mine

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Tony Godshall
According to Marty, Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically, the apt conffile /etc/apt/apt.conf must indicate the debian version. e.g. mine contains:

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Marty
Tony Godshall wrote: According to Marty, Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically, the apt conffile /etc/apt/apt.conf must indicate the debian version. e.g. mine

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Tony Godshall
According to Marty, Tony Godshall wrote: According to Marty, Basajaun wrote: For understanding what version you are running, and what packages will get updated (or not), take a look at man apt_preferences. Good point. Specifically, the apt conffile /etc/apt/apt.conf must indicate the

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-09 Thread Marty
Tony Godshall wrote: Uh, your dlocate seems to show no /etc/apt/apt.conf file either. Nor here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelistword=aptversion=stablearch=i386page=1number=all There seem to be a number of contexts in which conffiles aren't regarded as