Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 6:22 PM, mick.crane wrote: > On 2024-07-24 23:32, Rick Thomas wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 3:59 AM, mick.crane wrote: >>> On 2024-07-24 11:09, Rick Thomas wrote: >>>> What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS prin

SOLVED: Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 3:09 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: > What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS printer > software on a machine that doesn't have any GUI software? > > Specifically, the Marvell OpenRD machines that I have ("client" and > "

Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread mick.crane
On 2024-07-24 23:32, Rick Thomas wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 3:59 AM, mick.crane wrote: On 2024-07-24 11:09, Rick Thomas wrote: What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS printer software on a machine that doesn't have any GUI software? Specifically, the Marv

Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024, at 3:59 AM, mick.crane wrote: > On 2024-07-24 11:09, Rick Thomas wrote: >> What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS printer >> software on a machine that doesn't have any GUI software? >> >> Specifically, the Marvell

Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread mick.crane
On 2024-07-24 11:09, Rick Thomas wrote: What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS printer software on a machine that doesn't have any GUI software? Specifically, the Marvell OpenRD machines that I have ("client" and "ultimate") only have 500 MB of RAM

Re: How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 24 Jul 2024 03:09 -0700, from rick.tho...@pobox.com (Rick Thomas): > I'd like to install CUPS to interface the OpenRDs to my HP laser > printer, but I haven't found any way to configure CUPS with only a > CLI text console. The recommended way in the CUPS docs is to point a > web browser at "loca

How to configure CUPS printer software on a machine with no GUI -- only text CLI console.

2024-07-24 Thread Rick Thomas
What's the best way to install (and configure) the CUPS printer software on a machine that doesn't have any GUI software? Specifically, the Marvell OpenRD machines that I have ("client" and "ultimate") only have 500 MB of RAM. So I'm reluctant to install a

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-23 Thread Larry Martell
On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 6:26 AM Curt wrote: > > On 2024-04-22, Reid wrote: > > > > I'm sorry I irked you so much Curt, but you don't have to be rude. > > I'm Curt. Let's be serious. You be Frank and I'll be Earnest.

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-23 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-22, Reid wrote: > > I'm sorry I irked you so much Curt, but you don't have to be rude. I'm Curt.

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 05:02:09PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? > >> > Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html > >> Maybe `reportbug debian-installer`? > > but perhaps without all the decepti

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> > Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? >> > Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html >> Maybe `reportbug debian-installer`? > but perhaps without all the deception crap, unless you really mean > to impugn the developers' motives. Yu

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Reid
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > That's probably a bug in Calamares. I checked with one of the live cd > maintainers on this. As has been pointed out, the live cd is really > intended more for checking than for major use but it does need some work. > If you found the non-free components - where were th

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Reid
- Original message - From: Curt > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, Curt wrote: > >> How can you be taken seriously when you can't even wrap your lines >> according to our venerable guidelines? >> Get a popular setting going, buddy. >> >> And, though it's true I extolled Proust recently, being succinct

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:31:03AM -0700, Reid wrote: > Debian's policy change on non-free-firmware has made much of the Debian.org > website very misleading, and some Debian OS installers have become very > Free Software UNfriendly and deceptive. The following is my experience, >

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-22, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > I endure this on many other mailing lists unrelated to Debian, > particularly from groups.io that have a Web interface. It's a violation of Debian mailing list posting rules, guidelines, and tips. It irks me that in certain cases these guidelines are evoke

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2024 22 Apr 09:39 -0500, Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-21, Reid wrote: > > You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX pages of > > release notes and guides in order to learn that what they're installing is > > not what the Debian.org homepage "Why Debian", "Our Philosophy",

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-22, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, Curt wrote: > >> On 2024-04-21, Reid wrote: >>> You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX pages of >>> release notes and guides in order to learn that what they're installing is >>> not what the Debian.or

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread fxkl47BF
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, Curt wrote: > On 2024-04-21, Reid wrote: >> You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX pages of >> release notes and guides in order to learn that what they're installing is >> not what the Debian.org homepage "Why Debian", "Our Philosophy", and "Who We

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Curt
On 2024-04-21, Reid wrote: > You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX pages of > release notes and guides in order to learn that what they're installing is > not what the Debian.org homepage "Why Debian", "Our Philosophy", and "Who We > Are / What We Do" pages are current

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 9:58 PM BST, Reid wrote: > If the Installers are not ALL going to give users the choice to opt-in > or opt-out of non-free components, then those above-mentioned > promotional pages really need to be updated so as to not be misleading > users. I'm sure the Debian WWW team wo

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Apr 2024 13:58 -0700, from reid...@proinbox.com (Reid): > You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX > pages of release notes and guides in order to learn that what > they're installing is not what the Debian.org homepage "Why Debian", > "Our Philosophy", and "Who We Are

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread David Wright
On Sun 21 Apr 2024 at 21:59:21 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? > > Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html > > Maybe `reportbug debian-installer`? but perhaps without all the deception crap, un

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? > Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html Maybe `reportbug debian-installer`? Stefan

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Reid
Do you have any suggestion as to which list would be better to contact? Original: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/04/msg00324.html - Original message - From: fxkl4...@protonmail.com Date: Sunday, April 21, 2024 3:52 PM do you think the debian gods are listening On Sun, 21 Ap

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread fxkl47BF
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> If Debian is going to continue promoting itself with those "Our Philosophy" >> and "Why Debian" pages, there should at least be opt-ins during the >> installation process of every Debian download, as well as prominent warnings >> of the new policy on t

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> If Debian is going to continue promoting itself with those "Our Philosophy" > and "Why Debian" pages, there should at least be opt-ins during the > installation process of every Debian download, as well as prominent warnings > of the new policy on the download pages. Agreed. It should be easy t

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Reid
You seem to be suggesting that Debian users now need to read XX pages of release notes and guides in order to learn that what they're installing is not what the Debian.org homepage "Why Debian", "Our Philosophy", and "Who We Are / What We Do" pages are currently promoting Debian as. That's not

Re: Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Apr 2024 11:31 -0700, from reid...@proinbox.com (Reid): > I'm a 10+ year Debian user, and a longtime Free Software supporter. > Two weeks ago I was shocked to discover 29 non-free components in > the Debian desktop I'd been using for the last couple months. There > had

Debian non-free-firmware policy making OS misleading and Free Software unfriendly

2024-04-21 Thread Reid
Debian's policy change on non-free-firmware has made much of the Debian.org website very misleading, and some Debian OS installers have become very Free Software UNfriendly and deceptive. The following is my experience, and the reasons why I believe Debian must re-word their promotiona

Re: Could Gnome's "install pending software updates" cause installation scripts to misbehave?

2024-03-29 Thread Lucas B. Cohen
On Fri 29 Mar 2024 at 11:06:45 (-0400), Henning Follmann wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 12:01:27PM +0100, Lucas B. Cohen wrote: Hi, I've had a bit of a headache understanding why my Debian bookworm system suddenly panicked at boot with an 'unable to mount root fs' error. Turns out the first of

Re: Could Gnome's "install pending software updates" cause installation scripts to misbehave?

2024-03-29 Thread David Wright
Ds in all > > menuentries, as expected. > > > > (Kernel were the two most recent stable ones: 6.1.0-17 and -18.) > > > > This leads me to suspect that my grub.cfg might have been damaged in the way > > described above because update-grub might have been called in s

Re: Could Gnome's "install pending software updates" cause installation scripts to misbehave?

2024-03-29 Thread Henning Follmann
have been damaged in the way > described above because update-grub might have been called in some unusual, > limited execution environment. I'd very recently powered off my system and > let the default "install pending software updates" option checked by > accident, which

Could Gnome's "install pending software updates" cause installation scripts to misbehave?

2024-03-29 Thread Lucas B. Cohen
might have been damaged in the way described above because update-grub might have been called in some unusual, limited execution environment. I'd very recently powered off my system and let the default "install pending software updates" option checked by accident, which caused

Re: apt-cdrom: How do I use the flash drive as a CD-ROM to install software in Debian 12?

2023-06-16 Thread David Wright
ters. They do not contain > examples on how to use the options. > > My objective is to mount the flash drive as a CD-ROM and use it to install > additional software. It looks as though you haven't added an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list (or a file in its directory) for reading

apt-cdrom: How do I use the flash drive as a CD-ROM to install software in Debian 12?

2023-06-15 Thread Totoro
and user configuration details. I have read the manpages of both 'apt-cdrom' and 'apt-secure' and they only contain lists and descriptions of options and parameters. They do not contain examples on how to use the options. My objective is to mount the flash drive as a CD-

Re: ADD?REMOVE SOFTWARE

2023-06-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Brad McDonald wrote: > IS there any way to make multiple selections of a file,it's dependencies > and dependant packages rather than one by one as that is very slow.For > example 3 nights ago I installed all the "electrical" by first the named > folder then the dependencies then the dependant pack

Re: ADD?REMOVE SOFTWARE

2023-06-12 Thread err404
On 6/12/23 20:44, Brad McDonald wrote: IS there any way to make multiple selections of a file,it's dependencies and dependant packages rather than one by one as that is very slow.For example 3 nights ago I installed all the "electrical" by first the named folder then the dependencies then the

ADD?REMOVE SOFTWARE

2023-06-12 Thread Brad McDonald
IS there any way to make multiple selections of a file,it's dependencies and dependant packages rather than one by one as that is very slow.For example 3 nights ago I installed all the "electrical" by first the named folder then the dependencies then the dependant packages.The following 2 nights I

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-05-02 Thread Yassine Chaouche
Le 4/5/23 à 17:19, Yvan Masson a écrit : Hi list, As the subject says, I am looking for a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures. You can try the imgp + nnn combo. You get speed as a bonus, but it misses some of your requirements (like french translation and possibly the

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-06 Thread Yvan Masson
Le 05/04/2023 à 20:37, didier gaumet a écrit : Hello, I do not use image editing/modifying tools, so I cannot say if these solutions are good in your usecase, but there are at least three tools packaged in Debian: - Converseen (GUI batch tool: conversion, resizing, etc...) https://www.makeuse

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread didier gaumet
Hello, I do not use image editing/modifying tools, so I cannot say if these solutions are good in your usecase, but there are at least three tools packaged in Debian: - Converseen (GUI batch tool: conversion, resizing, etc...) https://www.makeuseof.com/batch-convert-resize-images-linux-using-c

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread zithro
On 05 Apr 2023 18:19, Yvan Masson wrote: Hi list, As the subject says, I am looking for a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures. Requirements: - libre - offline - being usable without command line - translated in French - with a very simple user interface - possibility

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Emanuel Berg
Michel Verdier wrote: >> Requirements: >> - libre >> - offline >> - being usable without command line > > Without command line you need a gui and it is hard to > batch resize. Requirements: - firefight - without guns -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Nicolas George
Yvan Masson (12023-04-05): > As the subject says, I am looking for a KDE or desktop agnostic software to > batch resize pictures. As other have said, ImageMagick. > > Requirements: > - libre > - offline > - being usable without command line Easy: use your favorite IDE, edi

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 5 avril 2023 Yvan Masson a écrit : > Requirements: > - libre > - offline > - being usable without command line Without command line you need a gui and it is hard to batch resize. Gimp is easy for resizing but not for exif. Digikam is good on exif and other metadata.

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 06:19:56PM +0200, Yvan Masson wrote: > Requirements: > - being usable without command line On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 06:40:29PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > First stop these issues are always ImageMagick, including this > case as it happens - here are a bunch of commands to g

Re: Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Emanuel Berg
Yvan Masson wrote: > As the subject says, I am looking for a KDE or desktop > agnostic software to batch resize pictures. First stop these issues are always ImageMagick, including this case as it happens - here are a bunch of commands to get you started https://dataswamp.org/~incal/con

Looking to a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures

2023-04-05 Thread Yvan Masson
Hi list, As the subject says, I am looking for a KDE or desktop agnostic software to batch resize pictures. Requirements: - libre - offline - being usable without command line - translated in French - with a very simple user interface - possibility to either overwrite source image or to

Re: Software usage.

2023-03-31 Thread peter
In-reply-to: References: From: David Wright Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:48:14 -0600 Yes, perhaps suggest this change to the editors: "Alternatively, you can send an email to one of the following addresses: "Web pages editors package: www.debian.org debian-...@

Don't feed the troll [was: FSF is not really free software (?)]

2023-02-08 Thread tomas
On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 07:11:45AM -0500, Jeremy Hendricks wrote: > I’d recommend contacting FSF for FSF questions, not Debian. And I'd recommend against feeding trolls. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: FSF is not really free software (?)

2023-02-08 Thread Jeremy Hendricks
I’d recommend contacting FSF for FSF questions, not Debian. On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 7:08 AM philip pocock wrote: > "While many groups and individuals have contributed to Linux, the largest > single contributor is still the Free Software Foundation, which created not > only most of

FSF is not really free software (?)

2023-02-08 Thread philip pocock
"While many groups and individuals have contributed to Linux, the largest single contributor is still the Free Software Foundation, which created not only most of the tools used in Linux, but also the philosophy and the community that made Linux possible." -- https://www.debian.org/relea

Re: Software usage. Was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-21 Thread David Wright
On Sat 21 Jan 2023 at 08:20:00 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:09:20 +0100 > > Know what? Those "resources" to be "allocated" are you and me. > > Documentation? The Web? Most of the front page, > https://www.debian.org , is occupied with graphics.

Software usage. Was Re: Debian release criteria.

2023-01-21 Thread peter
From: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:09:20 +0100 > Know what? Those "resources" to be "allocated" are you and me. Documentation? The Web? Most of the front page, https://www.debian.org , is occupied with graphics. =8~/ A link directly to https://wiki.debian.org would make sense. "User su

Re: Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread didier gaumet
Le mercredi 28 décembre 2022 à 09:05 -0600, Kent West a écrit : [...] > I found "Synaptic", which seems to be what I thought "Software" was > going to be. Perhaps "Synaptic" is Debian-specific, whereas > "Software" is Cinnamon-specific. Maybe? [..

Re: Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
;> intended purpose, I thought I'd take the opportunity to experience a new > >> install as a new user, just to see what they might experience. > >> > >> When given the choice of what software to install, I unselected Gnome and > >> selected Cinnamon, an

Re: Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 28 Dec 09:07 -0600, Kent West wrote: > I found "Synaptic", which seems to be what I thought "Software" was going > to be. Perhaps "Synaptic" is Debian-specific, whereas "Software" is > Cinnamon-specific. Maybe? Actually, I think "

Re: Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread Kent West
stall as a new user, just to see what they might experience. >> >> When given the choice of what software to install, I unselected Gnome and >> selected Cinnamon, and left the others at their defaults (blank except for >> first (desktop) and last (standard tools) options).

Re: Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread Kent West
given the choice of what software to install, I unselected Gnome and > selected Cinnamon, and left the others at their defaults (blank except for > first (desktop) and last (standard tools) options). > > When I booted into Cinnamon, I found the "Software" GUI. I can run > &quo

Q. re "Software" on new 11.6 Install

2022-12-28 Thread Kent West
I just installed 11.6 (Bullseye) on a VM. Before I start using it for its intended purpose, I thought I'd take the opportunity to experience a new install as a new user, just to see what they might experience. When given the choice of what software to install, I unselected Gnome and sel

Re: Re: howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Hi hw, Having followed through the steps I outlined: > I'm about to try this on a VM with two disks. I'm going to initially partition > as if I were using LVM and all in one partition on one disk, then on the other > That should give me identically sized partitions. > At that point, I'll change

Re: howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 05:29:17PM +0100, hw wrote: > On Sun, 2022-11-13 at 14:32 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 02:49:28PM +0100, hw wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > the Debian installer is horrible.  It won'

Re: howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread hw
On Sun, 2022-11-13 at 14:32 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 02:49:28PM +0100, hw wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > the Debian installer is horrible.  It won't let me install on software RAID1 > > on > > a server with an UEFI B

Re: howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread Andy Smith
e device, add the second device afterwards and then do a balance to split the data equally. Also OP should note that whichever way you go, the EFI System Partition technically can't go in any form of software RAID, so at the moment you have to have two of them and manage them individually somehow:

Re: howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 02:49:28PM +0100, hw wrote: > > Hi, > > the Debian installer is horrible. It won't let me install on software RAID1 > on > a server with an UEFI BIOS. I can't find any good guide about that, either. > Hi hw You might want to *start

howto install Debian on software RAID1 when UEFI?

2022-11-13 Thread hw
Hi, the Debian installer is horrible. It won't let me install on software RAID1 on a server with an UEFI BIOS. I can't find any good guide about that, either. I want root on brtfs with RAID1. How do I get Debian installed? The graphical version crashes with a kernel panic when bo

Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread Felix Miata
James H. H. Lampert composed on 2022-10-13 11:12 (UTC-0700): > DdB wrote: >> But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old >> recipe to "never change a working system". > I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the p

Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread DdB
Am 13.10.2022 um 20:12 schrieb James H. H. Lampert: > I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. Ok, one of my best achievements: Setup an old DOS game (pango.exe), which had its execution coupled to the system clock of an old 8086. I found an emulator able to slow its execution on current hardwar

Re: running outdated software

2022-10-13 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 10/13/22 11:05 AM, DdB wrote: But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old recipe to "never change a working system". I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the process of configuring and loading a replacement for a worn-out D

running outdated software (was: crash with wine and nvidia-driver)

2022-10-13 Thread DdB
Am 13.10.2022 um 18:43 schrieb Hans: > Hi folks, > > maybe someone got into the same problem as me and can help. Well, i cannot help. Sorry But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old recipe to "never change a working system". The only thing, th

Re: firmware: secure boot dbx with software-center but not apt?

2022-09-22 Thread Steven Timorol
Steve McIntyre schreef op ma 19-09-2022 om 23:13 [+0100]: > gnome-software is talking to fwupd, which looks for updates to device > firmware. DBX is the method used by UEFI firmware to block execution > of known-bad and known-vulnerable UEFI binaries when running with > Secure

Re: firmware: secure boot dbx with software-center but not apt?

2022-09-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi Steven! Steven Timorol wrote: > >i get a message from 'gnome-software' >to update my firmware: >" >update configuration secure boot dbx: >Version 217: >This updates the dbx to the latest release from Microsoft which adds >insecure versions of grub and s

firmware: secure boot dbx with software-center but not apt?

2022-09-19 Thread Steven Timorol
Hello, i get a message from 'gnome-software' to update my firmware: " update configuration secure boot dbx: Version 217: This updates the dbx to the latest release from Microsoft which adds insecure versions of grub and shim to the list of forbidden signatures due to multiple disc

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-17 Thread riveravaldez
On Thursday, September 15, 2022, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the >> > work they do fixing bugs, and by

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-16 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/16/22 12:05 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation f

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the >>> work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/22 6:29 PM, Lee wrote: > On 9/15/22, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how > > to fix? > > I don't think you really understand my use case very well. > > I surely don't. If you know how to fix whatever why haven't you fi

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
on't go further into accepting contribution. > >> > >> For sure, having managed some project, I have to say that it's hard to > >> accept contribution that will add new functions to as software when > >> these come from a unknown contributor. Not because of be

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Lee
On 9/15/22, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how > to fix? > I don't think you really understand my use case very well. I surely don't. If you know how to fix whatever why haven't you fixed it already? Lee

Re: Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the > > work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. > > It's a very tricky subject to prop

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
l some developer use the community as > unpaid beta tester but don't go further into accepting contribution. > > For sure, having managed some project, I have to say that it's hard to > accept contribution that will add new functions to as software when > these come from a

Paying Debian contributors (Was Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software)

2022-09-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the > work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. It's a very tricky subject to propose to start paying (some?) people in what was always

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-15 Thread Maude Summerside
here's many barrier that discourage people from wanting to >> contribute to many project. I feel some developer use the community as >> unpaid beta tester but don't go further into accepting contribution. >> >> For sure, having managed some project, I have to say that

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
kind of license. > > Thanks Stefan, it's great to see that some people understand the > issues. > > I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > to spend their time o

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
oject. I feel some developer use the community as > unpaid beta tester but don't go further into accepting contribution. > > For sure, having managed some project, I have to say that it's hard to > accept contribution that will add new functions to as software when > these come

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
ting contribution. For sure, having managed some project, I have to say that it's hard to accept contribution that will add new functions to as software when these come from a unknown contributor. Not because of being scared of malicious intent (unless the person is really paranoid but that&#x

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
ossibly malicious" > unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers > to spend their time on issues. > Thank you Steve, for the work you do as maintaining the grub software packages on Debian. I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensati

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have >"

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am not sure that this holds true. I would be quite surprised that >> chromium or edged can legally use code of a OSS browser, being CSS. But >> I am not an attorney. This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't me

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very m

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
this list, that is something good he does. But on this thread, he also behaved like a troll and caused me to also behave like a troll. That is a fact, if anyone wants to take the time to look at what he said, the things he omitted in his replies, etc. I especially noted his response to my introduc

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
/what-to-do-if-you-got-email-from-yahoo-about-a-data-breach-settlement.html I don't know if there is enough information available in the public domain to determine to what extent free/oss software might have contributed to that data breach. I do remember Yahoo admitted the number of affected

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't k

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's j

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
ctive and not just trolling. > > > The problem is, with all due respect, that I do have my code > > improvements for free software, but some free software people do not > > want to accept my contributions but instead want to allow the free > > software to continue to hav

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > > I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact > > that the persons > > who actually commit the cod

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the

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