On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Elijah Newren wrote:
>> It's a shame that hackers who contribute to GNOME projects which don't
>> use svn.gnome.org were excluded.
>>
>>(I was told their opinions didn't matter. {shrug} that's fine,
>>so long as nobody tries to represent this survey
Hi everyone,
Well, let me first say that I'm a bit disappointed at where this thread has
gone so far. Some of the words passed around we could do without starting a
brand new year.
I want to encourage everyone to stay on topic, so we can actually do
something. Now, I didn't say "so we can make
Andrew Cowie wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 22:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> GNOME contributors with an SVN account who had an SSH key installed on
>> their account were invited to fill in the survey.
>
> [It is NOT my intention to get all negative here; I understand - and
> accept - that pr
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 16:41 +, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote:
> >
>
> Heh, thanks a lot. This looks nice. Nicer than the one in gnulib that
> Rui Tiago pointed out. Although I must say not as nice as my 'gnulog'
> bazaar log formatter plugin.. ;-) But I guess good enough that I'd be
> c
Ali Sabil wrote:
> Concerning the asserted flaws in John's proposal, the only valid point,
> is that it will need testing as the implementation is not very mature
> yet,
And that's a HUGE issue, mind you.
behdad
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> From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who
> proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve
> plugin for the bzr repo server. I think many people pointed out the major
> flaws in that scenario. I want to stress that we should not make
Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit :
> I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list
> of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via
> mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way as a core
> developer. The same
On di, 2009-01-06 at 04:53 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Ali Sabil wrote:
>
> > Concerning the asserted flaws in John's proposal, the only valid point,
> > is that it will need testing as the implementation is not very mature
> > yet,
>
> And that's a HUGE issue, mind you.
Here's another prob
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit :
>> I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list
>> of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via
>> mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way as
Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 13:10 +1100, Andrew Cowie a écrit :
> Regardless, GNOME is not "switching" to anything. If GNOME
> infrastructure is going to offer Git hosting, that's lovely for people
> who chose to use Git as their version control system. {shrug} fine. If
> GNOME infrastructure concur
Hi,
Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> What I told
> you was that because the switch does not affect those other people. Yes, if
> your contributors are NOT committing to GNOME SVN, their opinions doesn't
> matter. Neither does my mom's opinion matter in this case. Nothing wrong
> with that.
This is onl
Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 05:18 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit :
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > That’s foolish. We are certainly not going to clone 208 repositories for
> > all GNOME packages we maintain. Especially when the tools to manage
> > Debian packages with DVCSes are still inferior to thos
Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> What I told
>> you was that because the switch does not affect those other people. Yes, if
>> your contributors are NOT committing to GNOME SVN, their opinions doesn't
>> matter. Neither does my mom's opinion matter in this case. Nothing wro
2009/1/6 Josselin Mouette :
> Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 17:21 +0900, James Henstridge a écrit :
>> I'd hope that any DVCS would get a larger user base than current list
>> of active Subversion committers: anyone who contributes patches via
>> mailing lists or bugzilla could use a DVCS the same way
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:09:36AM +0100, Ruben Vermeersch wrote:
> So don't tell us it's equivalent. It's not. And let's not forget the
I did not see anyone saying that.
Anyway, I retract my proposal. This isn't fun anymore.
--
Regards,
Olav
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Hi,
Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Dave Neary wrote:
>> This is only true if you don't believe that future contributions to the
>> GNOME base are dependent of the RCS we decide to host on gnome.org
>> (should we decide to host only one).
>
> You are of course right. I probably should also have added
2009-01-06 klockan 08:21 skrev Max Kanat-Alexander:
> Git really has no API, you just run the commands and get the output.
> *Subversion* actually had the best API when I was writing VCI, FWIW.
> Git and CVS had the worst API, in terms of integration. There may be
> better modules available now, th
Damien Sandras released :
>Module: ekiga
> Version: 3.1.0
It requires newer versions of ptlib (2.5.2) and opal (3.5.2); no
objection bumping those external dependencies ?
Cheers,
Frederic
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Le mardi 06 janvier 2009, à 14:43 +0100, Frederic Peters a écrit :
> Damien Sandras released :
>
> >Module: ekiga
> > Version: 3.1.0
>
> It requires newer versions of ptlib (2.5.2) and opal (3.5.2); no
> objection bumping those external dependencies ?
I vote for automatically bumpi
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Robert Carr wrote:
> I was not planning to do this until .28, however a nice Clutter game
> written in Seed was merged in to gnome-games today, and there is some
> interest in being able to include this in .26.
>
> I would like to propose Seed (http://live.gnome.org
Le lundi 05 janvier 2009, à 22:12 -0500, Robert Carr a écrit :
> I was not planning to do this until .28, however a nice Clutter game
> written in Seed was merged in to gnome-games today, and there is some
> interest in being able to include this in .26.
>
> I would like to propose Seed (http://li
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 15:32 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
> Le lundi 05 janvier 2009, à 22:12 -0500, Robert Carr a écrit :
> > I was not planning to do this until .28, however a nice Clutter game
> > written in Seed was merged in to gnome-games today, and there is some
> > interest in being able to in
We need to have this discussion sooner or later, seems like sooner
is now required as Robert proposed to have Seed included in Gnome.
First of all, I think most of us agrees that it would be a mistake to depend
on two different JavaScript bindings in GNOME, we need to chose one and
stick to tha
Robert Carr wrote:
I was not planning to do this until .28, however a nice Clutter game
written in Seed was merged in to gnome-games today, and there is some
interest in being able to include this in .26.
I would like to propose Seed (http://live.gnome.org/Seed) as a beta -bindings module for .2
[Robert and list moderators: I sent a copy from another mail address,
please ignore that mail and reply to this]
Robert Carr wrote:
I was not planning to do this until .28, however a nice Clutter game
written in Seed was merged in to gnome-games today, and there is some
interest in being able t
On 01/06/2009 02:09 AM, Ruben Vermeersch wrote:
What if this user publishes his branch using bzr (which works fine with
the GNOME servers).
How will I merge this branch, if I'm using git?
It looks to me that with the git+bzr proposal, we're being forced to
learn both systems anyway. We can cont
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
> We need to have this discussion sooner or later, seems like sooner
> is now required as Robert proposed to have Seed included in Gnome.
>
> First of all, I think most of us agrees that it would be a mistake to depend
> on two different JavaScri
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>. After all,
> both implementations run the same language with the same syntax and
> they are *both* using the same underlying GObject bindings so the
> API's will be the same.
>
This is the key question, isn't it. _Are_ the apis the same
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
We need to have this discussion sooner or later, seems like sooner
is now required as Robert proposed to have Seed included in Gnome.
First of all, I think most of us agrees that it would be a mistake to depend
on two
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> think we need to support bindings for both front-runners. After all,
> both implementations run the same language with the same syntax and
> they are *both* using the same underlying GObject bindings so the
> API's will be the same.
Not quite the same as Spidermonkey imp
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
> The language is pretty different, SpiderMonkey supports quite a few
> /language/ extensions which JSCore doesn't.[1][2][3]
s/doesn't./doesn't yet./g
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Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
The language is pretty different, SpiderMonkey supports quite a few
/language/ extensions which JSCore doesn't.[1][2][3]
s/doesn't./doesn't yet./g
I don't think JSCore is going to implement all features present in
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 03:46 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> So, here is what I'm bringing to the table: I'm volunteering to work
> with
> interested fd.o admins and other volunteers to switch GNOME to git. I
> need to
> first go check to see if I can secure enough time to lead this, and if
> I ca
2009/1/6 Johan Dahlin :
> Anyway, what subset of JS that's going to be used in the newest and fanciest
> web pages seems like a less than ideal criteria to use to select a
> javascript engine for GNOME. Instead we should compare what's available,
> which will help developers to write great applicat
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 11:28 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 06 janvier 2009 à 13:10 +1100, Andrew Cowie a écrit :
> > Regardless, GNOME is not "switching" to anything. If GNOME
> > infrastructure is going to offer Git hosting, that's lovely for people
> > who chose to use Git as their ver
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 10:59 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
> > We need to have this discussion sooner or later, seems like sooner
> > is now required as Robert proposed to have Seed included in Gnome.
> >
> > First of all, I think most of us ag
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> The APIs will certainly not automatically be the same. There are lots
> and lots of little decisions you have to make when you bind gtk. If just
> one of these differ then they won't be compatible.
It's not clear to me why this would not
On Jan 6, 2009, at 14:07, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Alexander Larsson
wrote:
The APIs will certainly not automatically be the same. There are lots
and lots of little decisions you have to make when you bind gtk. If
just
one of these differ then they won't be
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Alexander Larsson wrote:
>> The APIs will certainly not automatically be the same. There are lots
>> and lots of little decisions you have to make when you bind gtk. If just
>> one of these differ then
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who
> proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve
> plugin for the bzr repo server.
I wonder whether you received interesting ideas in the survey i
Hey -
There's a lot of not-very-productive-discussion and angst going around
now about what we are doing for VCS.
A group of us who believe that a straight git transition probably makes
sense (myself, Federico, Behdad, Elijah, Kristan Hoegsburg) have started
looking into the concrete steps neces
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who
> > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve
> > plugin for the bzr repo server.
>
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Johan Dahlin wrote:
> We need to have this discussion sooner or later, seems like sooner
> is now required as Robert proposed to have Seed included in Gnome.
>
> First of all, I think most of us agrees that it would be a mistake to depend
> on two different JavaScr
I just woke up to about 50 emails to reply to, so this might all come out
rather disorganised, but this seemed like a good one to start with.
I appreciate Havoc's first point, in that I agree it's not fair to drop
the entire responsibility for re basing on the other binding on one
group. As both
As I mentioned in the other email, dropping Seed to using GJS as the
"reference" implementation, would essentially consist of changing small
binding semantics, and then dropping around a third of the Seed code base
which is oriented towards the more complex features. This isn't really
something I'
While this argument is somewhat counter to my "side" most of the
JavaScript extensions are actually quite nice, and will be implemented in
WebKit.
==Original message text===
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:52:46 EST "Kalle Vahlman" wrote:
2009/1/6 Johan Dahlin :
> Anyway, what sub
JSCore is open to all these extensions, and they are on the slate to be
implemented, just not a priority. It's somewhat likely I could end up
implementing some of them, as a few would be nice to have in Seed.
Long term though I think there are considerations that have to be
considered beyond "Whic
Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who
>> proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve
>> plugin for the bzr repo server.
>
> I wonder whether you received inter
Hello :)
2008/12/30 Christophe Fergeau :
> As for the last few years, we'll have a GNOME devroom at FOSDEM (7/8
> feb in Brussels), and as always, we want *YOU* to give a talk about
> the cool project you are hacking on in this devroom
>
[...]
> Please send your talk proposals before Friday 9 Janu
Some of these points are addressed in other emails, however I will reply
here also for clarity.
The reasons I would choose to use Seed over gjs (if hypothetically I were
not the maintainer).
1. WebKit, epiphany/devhelp, etc...and most (hopefully all!) GNOME
modules switching to WebKit, so not br
2009/1/6 Alexander Larsson :
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>> > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav, who
>> > proposed that he and John implement John's idea of implementing a git-serve
>> >
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:30 +, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> 2009/1/6 Alexander Larsson :
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:01 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> >> > From what I understand, so far there has been one proposal, from Olav,
> >> > who
> >> > proposed
Another update, I've talked to Havoc in IRC. Seed is going to switch to
the gjs/Vala format for enums (later today), and to the gjs import style.
The remaining difference in the core bindings, is how signals are
handled, and we've been discussing this with no conclusion yet, but in
the not so far
2009/1/6 Robert Carr :
> Another update, I've talked to Havoc in IRC. Seed is going to switch to
> the gjs/Vala format for enums (later today), and to the gjs import style.
> The remaining difference in the core bindings, is how signals are
> handled, and we've been discussing this with no conclusi
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> 2009/1/6 Robert Carr :
>
> Hats off for you both guys on working together to achieve compatibility.
>
> Another issue that might be worth taking into account is that you
> should be consistent on how you document the bindings (tutorials,
> exam
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