[Desktop_architects] open drivers site status (Dec 12 - 16)

2005-12-16 Thread Leann Ogasawara
http://developer.osdl.org/dev/opendrivers/ Changes made this week: 1) Finished migrating most of the content from the static web pages over to the wiki. The wiki is still going through some design changes for the look and feel. However, for those of you dieing to get a glimpse of the very roug

[Desktop_architects] new draft of public and community messages

2005-12-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
hello, it's me again =) bryce sent a long and highly useful set of thoughts by email to me this morning. i've incorporated his thoughts and done some more refinement. in particular there are now "do this now" ideas at the end of the community message and less verbage in general. the FD.o page

Re: [Desktop_architects] community / public / fd.o drafts

2005-12-16 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 11:35:06AM -0700, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday 16 December 2005 03:18, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > so here's the most recent drafts of these documents i've been working on.. > > btw, here's my thinking of how to proceed: > > if by monday end-of-day there is no further f

Re: [Desktop_architects] community / public / fd.o drafts

2005-12-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday 16 December 2005 03:18, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > so here's the most recent drafts of these documents i've been working on.. btw, here's my thinking of how to proceed: if by monday end-of-day there is no further feedback, i'll just consider that to be a sign of consensus (or fatigue ;) a

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Norm Jacobs
Martin Konold wrote: Am Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 07:13 schrieb Norm Jacobs: Hi Norm, In general, the sooner we get applications using the print dialogs available in the toolkits on the platform (in this case, the new GTK print dialog), the better. I disagree because this ties t

Re: [Desktop_architects] Proposal for change to administration

2005-12-16 Thread John Cherry
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:10 +0100, Martin Konold wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 18:00 schrieb Dan Kegel: > > Hi, > > > On 12/15/05, George Staikos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Can we make this list invite-only for subscription and member-only > > > posting? Signal:noise ratio is dr

Re: [Desktop_architects] Re: Linux desktop, the fun thread

2005-12-16 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Martin Konold wrote: > > Am Freitag, 16. Dezember 2005 05:07 schrieb Jim Gettys: > > What's needed is a bit of help in a kernel driver, so when the graphics > > hardware is busy, we can be kind enough to give you the CPU back (along > > with what to do when the hardware is ne

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Michael Sweet
Martin Konold wrote: ... It is a bad design decision for an application to directly link to the cups client library (ABI concerns,...) but it is much better to use a protocol based interface to use the full potential of CUPS. I strongly disagree with this, mainly because the CUPS API (and as

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Rodney Dawes
This discussion belongs on a list related to GNOME specific discussion. This list is for members of the development communities to come together and discuss how to solve issues. Please do not send any more mail about GNOME, KDE, or any other specific UI or happiness issues, to this list. Thank you

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 17:39 schrieb Till Kamppeter: > > (The KDE people are much less vitriolic about how Firefox is wearing > > white after Labour Day on their desktop, for whatever reason, and > > nobody has bothered to even wire up the file dialog, except for one > > frustrated hacker

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Freitag, 16. Dezember 2005 12:13 schrieben Sie: Hi, > How long will it take until RUDI is available? Basically it is a matter of comming to common grounds with the GNOME desktop architects. Limiting RUDI to just one desktop would not help the Linux Desktop as a whole. The later is a very

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Till Kamppeter
Martin Konold wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 19:56 schrieb Till Kamppeter: > > Hi Till, > > >>The added one can depend on CUPS and new GTK, if these >>libraries are not present (for example when building on old Red Hat) the >>old dialog is used, on current distros the new one (could be

Re: [Desktop_architects] Re: Linux desktop, the fun thread

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Freitag, 16. Dezember 2005 05:07 schrieb Jim Gettys: Linus, > What's needed is a bit of help in a kernel driver, so when the graphics > hardware is busy, we can be kind enough to give you the CPU back (along > with what to do when the hardware is next free so we can keep the > hardware busy ra

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 19:56 schrieb Till Kamppeter: Hi Till, > The added one can depend on CUPS and new GTK, if these > libraries are not present (for example when building on old Red Hat) the > old dialog is used, on current distros the new one (could be > automatically built appropriat

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 07:13 schrieb Norm Jacobs: Hi Norm, > In general, the sooner we get applications > using the print dialogs available in the toolkits on the platform (in > this case, the new GTK print dialog), the better. I disagree because this ties the 3rd party application to

Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2005 18:00 schrieb Mike Shaver: Hi, > Consider this an open invitation for someone to come forward with a > proposal, plan, and patch for the Unix printing experience on Firefox.   I think with the project Portland/RUDI we will be able to offer you a path which does no

[Desktop_architects] community / public / fd.o drafts

2005-12-16 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
hey all... so here's the most recent drafts of these documents i've been working on.. again, thanks for everyone's input. these revisions have some additions to them, some rewording, etc ... that i hope reflects as much of the input i've received to date: --- COMMUNITY:

Re: [Desktop_architects] Proposal for change to administration

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Konold
Am Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 18:00 schrieb Dan Kegel: Hi, > On 12/15/05, George Staikos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can we make this list invite-only for subscription and member-only > > posting? Signal:noise ratio is dropping faster than I can keep up with > > the messages. > > Yes, pleas