Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-15 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 20:16, Mike Hearn wrote: > On 6/14/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Indeed... I've often thought that larger OSS projects might benefit > > from a "feedback squad" > > That could prove difficult. One of the unfortunate tendencies within > the open source com

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-15 Thread Kurt Pfeifle
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 17:55, Tim Bray wrote: > End users didn't > invent mice, windows, hyperlinks, alt-tab, or "undo". I'm sure they invented "undo". Multiple times even. :-) ___ Desktop_architects mailing list Desktop_architects@lists.osdl.org

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Chang-Won Ahn
On 6/12/06, Bryce Harrington < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Chang-Won,Thanks for giving this update on the sub-working group activities.  Inthese activities, have you discussed including open source developersin your region that might not otherwise be involved in dtl? ... So to your question about

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 14 Jun 2006, at 20:31, Gregory Raiz wrote: > Traditional usability will allow you to collect feedback on > observable human > behavior. Usability is typically not as good a tool for collecting > feedback > on broader design issues across a project. > > "I know I can't use it, but don't ask

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Gregory Raiz
Traditional usability will allow you to collect feedback on observable human behavior. Usability is typically not as good a tool for collecting feedback on broader design issues across a project. "I know I can't use it, but don't ask me how to fix it." Usability will tell you that a specific fun

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 14 Jun 2006, at 19:31, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > The approach we've taken is to encourage users with ideas, to make > sure > they're recorded in the RFE tracker (i.e., look for a similar idea > already filed, and add to that, or create a new ticket if its a new > idea.) This gets the feedb

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 14 Jun 2006, at 19:16, Mike Hearn wrote: > On 6/14/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Indeed... I've often thought that larger OSS projects might benefit >> from a "feedback squad" > > That could prove difficult. One of the unfortunate tendencies within > the open source community

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 06:55:13PM +0100, Calum Benson wrote: > > On 14 Jun 2006, at 18:23, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > > we also tend to do a crappy job of dealing with the input when we > > get it. > > well, some of us anyways. we're painting with broad brush strokes > > here that > > don't

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Hearn
On 6/14/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed... I've often thought that larger OSS projects might benefit > from a "feedback squad" That could prove difficult. One of the unfortunate tendencies within the open source community - of both users and developers - is to try and "educate

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Shaver
On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:55 PM, Calum Benson wrote: > Indeed... I've often thought that larger OSS projects might benefit > from a "feedback squad" in much the same way that they have bug > squads... a team of people whose job is to patrol mailing lists, web > forums, IRC and bug reports, and collate

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 14 Jun 2006, at 18:23, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > we also tend to do a crappy job of dealing with the input when we > get it. > well, some of us anyways. we're painting with broad brush strokes > here that > don't cover everyone equally =) Indeed... I've often thought that larger OSS projec

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 10:55, Tim Bray wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >> With > >> few exceptions, most open source developers are really just users > >> that > >> got very passionate and curious. ;-) > > I *really* don't think so. Most OSS developers are people who

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Tim Bray
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Bryce Harrington wrote: >> >> With >> few exceptions, most open source developers are really just users >> that >> got very passionate and curious. ;-) I *really* don't think so. Most OSS developers are people who like computers and like programming computers and like

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-14 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > But the whole idea of open source is that it is open _to users_. With > few exceptions, most open source developers are really just users that > got very passionate and curious. ;-) > > Thus the OSS development model works when users go beyond

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-11 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 08:42:46PM +0900, Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) wrote: > On 6/9/06, SAKUMA Junichi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Discussions > >- Food for thoughts by Jun Iio, Mitsubishi Research Institute > > - Linux has only 5% share of the client market. Why so poor? > > - Do we let MS rule for

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-11 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 08:42:46PM +0900, Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI) wrote: > Hi, guys, > > I want to add some background informtion of OSS activities in Asia, > especially, in CJK (China, Japan, Korea). > > I hope this debate to be a good chance to find a clue to motivate asian > developers > to activ

Re: [Desktop_architects] [dtl_s_t_m] Adding some background information...

2006-06-11 Thread Chang-Won Ahn (ETRI)
Hi, guys, I want to add some background informtion of OSS activities in Asia, especially, in CJK (China, Japan, Korea).4 years ago, CJK (China, Japan, and Korea) has made CJK OSS Promotion Forum to promote OSS in our countires. At that time, each country has also made its own national OSS Promotion