Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
That is what I am saying. Apache can (and does) handle donations, and there have been discussions about donations that can be directed to projects at the donation time (someone that knows about the topic could provide some help here?). So, the foundation part looks covered for meI think we ne

RE: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Marty Godsey
Rafael, I agree. I am not saying move away from Apache.. I am saying setup a "foundation" to handle donations and even development management.. Regards, Marty Godsey Principal Engineer nSource Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: Rafael Weingärtner [mailto:rafaelweingart...@gmail.co

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
ACS is an Apache project, not a foundation per se; donation goes to Apache. I know that there is some discussion/work to create a way for donating things (not just money) to projects, but I do not know how that is going. I do not think we need to create other foundation and move away from Apache (

RE: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Marty Godsey
Alex, I agree.. The only "good" way that we will get more adoption is to treat it like an Enterprise product. But that would require investment. Investment with money, not just time. As an example, I use pfSense alot in my projects. If I put in a pfSense router, I take 2-5% (depends on scope)

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Ron Wheeler
For small fixes that do not affect functionality the value of a JIRA may be questioned. The main advantages that I see: - if 2 people find the same bug and both fix it without raising a JIRA, you may end up with 2 different patches - if an end-user finds the bug and searches the JIRA to see if

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Hitchins
If it isn't being treated as a product it will be very impossible to market it as enterprise ready. I know we all know this. Similar sized projects under the Apache banner must have the same issue, what is the best way to gather experience of these projects? See how they handle these growing

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Ron Wheeler
I understand that it is a volunteer organization. I do not know how many (if any) of the committers and PMC members are funded by their organizations (allowed or ordered to work on Cloudstack during company time) which is often the way that Apache projects get staffed. Clearly it is hard to t

RE: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Marty Godsey
Hello guys.. I do work for a company in Silicon Valley. The company also uses a free project to build its commercial project to make money. This project, like ACS, has no funding. The project is FreeNAS. However, IXSystems, the company, uses FreeNAS to build a "supported, commercial version" ca

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Will Stevens
I personally don't know how Jira solves any of this, but assuming it does, fine... The bigger problem which you have raised is that CloudStack has zero funding. So we can't hire a project manager, or a release manager or someone whose job it is to maintain documentation. I have been trying to find

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Ron Wheeler
As a real outsider, IMHO Paul is right. At times it seems that Cloudstack is a coding hobby rather than a project or a production quality product. Who decides what goes into a release? How does this affect the release schedule? Who is responsible for meeting the "published" roadmap (of which

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Will Stevens
Agreed Alex On Jun 29, 2017 5:34 AM, "Alex Hitchins" wrote: > I've saved up enough to chip a tuppence worth of comment in. > > In any other project, you would have a project manager, someone at the > coalface ensuring there is a perfect harmony behind the chaos that is > software development. >

RE: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Will Stevens
Why are we still using jira instead of the PRs for that communication? Can we not use issues in github now instead of jira if someone needs to open an issue but does not yet have code to contribute. If not, jira could still be used for that. I think duplicating data between jira and the PR is kind

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Rene Moser
Hi Paul On 06/29/2017 11:06 AM, Paul Angus wrote: > Hi, Mr Grumpy here! > > I was looking the commits and I'm seeing commits going in with no Jira Issue > assigned. > My understanding is that there must be a Jira ticket for EVERY > fix/enhancement/feature, so that we have a way to search and

Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Hitchins
I've saved up enough to chip a tuppence worth of comment in. In any other project, you would have a project manager, someone at the coalface ensuring there is a perfect harmony behind the chaos that is software development. From the sidelines, it looks like Cloudstack really needs some project

RE: JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Paul Angus
Such a view of CloudStack is what holds CloudStack back. It stops users/operators from having any chance of understanding what CloudStack does and how it does it. Code for code's sake is no use to anyone. Jira is about communication between developers and to everyone else. Kind regards, Paul A

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2017-06-29 Thread Daan Hoogland
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Paul Angus wrote: > + Release notes will be impossible to create without a proper Jira history. > And no one will know what has gone into CloudStack. No they are not mr Grumpy. they should be base on the code anyway, hence on git, not jira. I do not appose to th

JIRA - PLEASE READ

2017-06-29 Thread Paul Angus
Hi, Mr Grumpy here! I was looking the commits and I'm seeing commits going in with no Jira Issue assigned. My understanding is that there must be a Jira ticket for EVERY fix/enhancement/feature, so that we have a way to search and track these things. + Release notes will be impossible to cr