Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Nux!
On 05.08.2013 16:48, Daan Hoogland wrote: the 4.1 build for rhel63 says: Apache Cloudstack RHEL 6.3 packages This project is currently disabled this one didn't happen to be the one you where looking for? Anyway look at http://jenkins.cloudstack.org and browse around. I thought you would find the

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Daan Hoogland
the 4.1 build for rhel63 says: Apache Cloudstack RHEL 6.3 packages This project is currently disabled this one didn't happen to be the one you where looking for? Anyway look at http://jenkins.cloudstack.org and browse around. I thought you would find them there. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM, D

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Daan Hoogland
think was the keyword there, ... but I am looking for ya. moment On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Nux! wrote: > On 05.08.2013 16:09, Daan Hoogland wrote: >> >> For this the jenkins builds might be suitable. I think if those are >> running on all active release branches. > > > Some URLs could be re

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Nux!
On 05.08.2013 16:09, Daan Hoogland wrote: For this the jenkins builds might be suitable. I think if those are running on all active release branches. Some URLs could be real handy now. :) -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Daan Hoogland
For this the jenkins builds might be suitable. I think if those are running on all active release branches. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Nux! wrote: > On 31.07.2013 16:30, Chip Childers wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04:50AM +0100, Nux! wrote: >>> >>> On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childer

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-05 Thread Nux!
On 31.07.2013 16:30, Chip Childers wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04:50AM +0100, Nux! wrote: On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each major feature

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-01 Thread Daan Hoogland
t have to maintain a private branch of >> ACS in the future. Just my two cents :) >> >> Regards >> ilya >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:13 AM >>

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-01 Thread Alex Huang
stack. Maintaining will be tough. --Alex > -Original Message- > From: Musayev, Ilya [mailto:imusa...@webmd.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:51 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > Daan and Hugo, &g

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-01 Thread Musayev, Ilya
:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:13 AM > To: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Musayev, Ilya > wrote: > > The reason why CloudSand was created, was to bring in urgently needed &

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-08-01 Thread Daan Hoogland
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Musayev, Ilya wrote: > The reason why CloudSand was created, was to bring in urgently needed > features into stable version, such that on the next major upgrade to ACS, all > features work as expected and nothing should break. This is the same that we have done.

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-31 Thread Musayev, Ilya
- > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:20 PM > To: dev > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > H Ilya, > > I am working on a paralel track. At Schuberg Philis we have a version that > contains so

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-31 Thread Daan Hoogland
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? >> >> I run my own hybrid version of 4.1 and with some features of 4.2 in >> production, since - I needed to backport some features of 4.2 into 4.1 >> >> Since thi

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-31 Thread Musayev, Ilya
t; Thanks > Ilya > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:06 AM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > > > On 14

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-31 Thread Musayev, Ilya
: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:06 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: > > As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > > does everyone thin

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-31 Thread Chip Childers
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04:50AM +0100, Nux! wrote: > On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: > >As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > >does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each > >major feature release? > > Hi, > > What has been

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-07-30 Thread Nux!
On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each major feature release? Hi, What has been decided? Will we see any 4.2 betas? Lucian -- Sent from the Delta q

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-06-27 Thread Nux!
On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each major feature release? This might fall in line with some of the stated concerns about our release schedule (see

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-30 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:43:46PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote: > Users are *by definition* people who do not vote. The minute a user votes > they become a developer. ;) > > I agree with you that interaction with the user@ list should use inclusive > language, and should call for participation in the

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Yep! Welcome! On 28 May 2013 22:56, Daan Hoogland wrote: > wow, > I obtained voting right by subscribing. Beats Verhoeven's view on the > matter, the starship troopers way ;) > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Users are *by definition* people who do not vote. The

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
wow, I obtained voting right by subscribing. Beats Verhoeven's view on the matter, the starship troopers way ;) On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Users are *by definition* people who do not vote. The minute a user votes > they become a developer. ;) > > I agree with you tha

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Users are *by definition* people who do not vote. The minute a user votes they become a developer. ;) I agree with you that interaction with the user@ list should use inclusive language, and should call for participation in the decision-making process that happens on dev@. Daan, monitor this list

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
I am not a commiter and did not know there where things at all that I could vote on. Nice to hear. What things? How to recognise them? regards, Daan On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > > On May 28, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Sebastien, > > > > Nope, we

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On May 28, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Sebastien, > > Nope, we don't do votes on the users@ list. That list is just for user > support. > > Decision making happens on dev@*, and if users want to take part in that, > they can subscribe. This needs to be made clearer then, otherwise

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-28 Thread Noah Slater
Sebastien, Nope, we don't do votes on the users@ list. That list is just for user support. Decision making happens on dev@*, and if users want to take part in that, they can subscribe. * Or marketing@, private@, and security@ On 27 May 2013 08:53, Sebastien Goasguen wrote: > > On May 24, 201

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-27 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On May 24, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:41:30AM -0400, Chip Childers wrote: >> As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what >> does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each >> major feature release? >> >>

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-24 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:41:30AM -0400, Chip Childers wrote: > As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each > major feature release? > > This might fall in line with some of the stated concerns abo

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-20 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, May 14, 2013, at 10:59 AM, David Nalley wrote: > Are you going to support upgrades from your Betas to release (and > betaN to betaN+1)? > If the answer is no, then there is no interest on my part. It's not > better than us producing nightly builds, or highlighting jenkins > builds. The pro

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-18 Thread Prasanna Santhanam
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 06:51:30PM -0700, Ahmad Emneina wrote: > I agree, there need's to be a caveat the nightly builds are convenience > builds, that shouldnt be used for any type of production environment. Only > for testing. > > > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Marcus Sorensen wrote: > > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-18 Thread Ahmad Emneina
e beta especially because folks would want to test early and > > >> crossing the last mile can take a bit of time. > > >> But hopefully its not too much of an overhead. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> -Nitin > > >> > > >> On

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-18 Thread Marcus Sorensen
e. > >> But hopefully its not too much of an overhead. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -Nitin > >> > >> On 16/05/13 7:27 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" wrote: > >> > >> >+1, perhaps I'm late to this thread, but this makes

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-18 Thread Ahmad Emneina
f time. >> But hopefully its not too much of an overhead. >> >> Thanks, >> -Nitin >> >> On 16/05/13 7:27 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" wrote: >> >> >+1, perhaps I'm late to this thread, but this makes lot of sense. >> > &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-18 Thread Nux!
On 14.05.2013 15:41, Chip Childers wrote: As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each major feature release? Good idea! It would be great to get a feel of how things will look and work ahead of re

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-17 Thread Noah Slater
much of an overhead. > > Thanks, > -Nitin > > On 16/05/13 7:27 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" wrote: > > >+1, perhaps I'm late to this thread, but this makes lot of sense. > > > > > > Original message ---- > >From: Pranav Saxena

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-16 Thread Nitin Mehta
makes lot of sense. > > > Original message >From: Pranav Saxena >Date: >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org,aemne...@gmail.com >Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > >+1 to what Ahmad says here . Perfect reasoning . > >

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-15 Thread Musayev, Ilya
+1, perhaps I'm late to this thread, but this makes lot of sense. Original message From: Pranav Saxena Date: To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org,aemne...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? +1 to what Ahmad says here . Perfect reas

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-15 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On May 14, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:59:14AM -0400, David Nalley wrote: >> Are you going to support upgrades from your Betas to release (and >> betaN to betaN+1)? >> If the answer is no, then there is no interest on my part. It's not >> better than us p

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Pranav Saxena
lp to further refine any new feature further when actually tested in a production environment . -Original Message- From: Ahmad Emneina [mailto:aemne...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:07 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Ahmad Emneina
+1 I feel this allows for users who are chomping at the bit to get a hold of feature X. Tinker with feature X, expose bugs or use case issues well before an official release. Saves on the disappointment as well. ;) On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:59:14AM -0400, David Nalley wrote: > Are you going to support upgrades from your Betas to release (and > betaN to betaN+1)? > If the answer is no, then there is no interest on my part. It's not > better than us producing nightly builds, or highlighting jenkins > builds.

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread David Nalley
Are you going to support upgrades from your Betas to release (and betaN to betaN+1)? If the answer is no, then there is no interest on my part. It's not better than us producing nightly builds, or highlighting jenkins builds. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, May 14

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Daan Hoogland
upgrades are a valid point. No one tests those as a user does. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Daan Hoogland wrote: > > As a relative outsider; > > > > any branch that is not released yet is a beta release. Why make it more > > ex

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 03:56:36PM +0100, Daan Hoogland wrote: > As a relative outsider; > > any branch that is not released yet is a beta release. Why make it more > explicit. Wouldn't this add support burdon? Make a branch 'in beta' and > appoint a guard to make sure no new feartures but only fi

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Giles Sirett
zonker.net] Sent: 14 May 2013 15:49 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? On Tue, May 14, 2013, at 09:41 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > does everyone think about relea

RE: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Hugo Trippaers
: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:49 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases? > > On Tue, May 14, 2013, at 09:41 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > > As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > > does eve

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Daan Hoogland
As a relative outsider; any branch that is not released yet is a beta release. Why make it more explicit. Wouldn't this add support burdon? Make a branch 'in beta' and appoint a guard to make sure no new feartures but only fixes go in (kind of how you are working right now) Daan On Tue, May 14,

Re: [DISCUSS] Should we be releasing -beta releases?

2013-05-14 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Tue, May 14, 2013, at 09:41 AM, Chip Childers wrote: > As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each > major feature release? Yes to beta releases. I know that users could test at any time, but we