Late, but ...
On 12.10.2003 18:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
but you are talking about news and articles, which are immutable things.
our learning objects are not immutable. for example, I could change
their title as I go.
Maybe the title, but not the content in general/completely - as you
On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 19:54 Europe/Rome, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
Remain the everlasting semantically meaningful names. Of course
the URL should match the content. But if the content changes, so
that it no longer matches, what's the sense of having still this
page? Even if you use IDs and
On 19.10.2003 21:07, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Remain the everlasting semantically meaningful names. Of course
the URL should match the content. But if the content changes, so
that it no longer matches, what's the sense of having still this
page? Even if you use IDs and change the content
On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 22:32 Europe/Rome, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
On 19.10.2003 21:07, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Remain the everlasting semantically meaningful names. Of course
the URL should match the content. But if the content changes, so
that it no longer matches, what's the sense of
Hi,
This is probably a minor and implementation detail but I when I see the
examples of datatypes being giving I was wondering if you were taking into
consideration of XML Schema datatypes (and therefore RNG datatypes, though I
don't understand the desire of clearly object oriented-type people
On Sunday, Oct 19, 2003, at 23:41 Europe/Rome, Robert Koberg wrote:
Hi,
This is probably a minor and implementation detail but I when I see the
examples of datatypes being giving I was wondering if you were taking
into
consideration of XML Schema datatypes (and therefore RNG datatypes,
though
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 18:30 Europe/Zurich, Barzilai Spinak a écrit :
Just for the sake of those of us who know less than you, Cocoon
gods
There are no Cocoon gods here - everyone is welcome to express their
opinion in a respectful way.
What is the advantage of using an all-numeric
Le Dimanche, 12 oct 2003, à 12:40 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a
écrit :
On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 04:23 Europe/Rome, Jeff Turner wrote:
...
:) Let's remember that there's hard reuse and soft reuse. Hard reuse
means physically integrating with Forrest/Lenya. Soft reuse means
reusing
On 11.10.2003 18:10, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Yep. You are the master here.
Hello Antonio,
the above is wrong and I guess Stefano does also not want that it is
seen so. This was also the reason for his withdrawal as PMC head.
Stefano might be something like a technical leader with his mostly
On 11.10.2003 17:19, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...How about naming files like
3948494-some-descriptive-name-for-humans-here.xml
It's like suggesting to have a BugID 39484-my-file-can't-be-found
as the primary key of the bug table in mysql, just because people
might want to edit bugs by hand
On Sat, 2003-10-11 at 20:53, Robert Koberg wrote:
snip/
I currently call these in transformation using the document function.
Recently, I have been playing around with a XincludeFilter that does this
prior to transformation (I assume this is the route you would take :). It is
just that it is
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 19:54 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
...
Based on lastest posts, I will like to see a fusion Lenya+Forrest. Is
this
posible or they are divorced.
Synergy. What I want Forrest and Lenya to seek is syergy.
Agreed 100%. Merging two
On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 04:23 Europe/Rome, Jeff Turner wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:17:48PM +0200, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:25 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Please don't forget Forrest.
we are not.
:) Let's remember that there's hard reuse and
On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 11:20 Europe/Rome, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
On 11.10.2003 18:10, Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Yep. You are the master here.
Hello Antonio,
the above is wrong and I guess Stefano does also not want that it is
seen so. This was also the reason for his withdrawal as PMC head.
Morning,
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 2:35 PM
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snip/
I will try to give you something to chew on. Here is an example page
(our
homepage):
site css=default.css
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 12:40:39PM +0200, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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In case something is not clear, I'll be very happy to explain it.
My main question is: to users, how is this system functionally different
from a Wiki? Eg, a good one that has 'related pages' inferred from the
page's
* Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-12 12:27]:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 12:40:39PM +0200, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
In case something is not clear, I'll be very happy to explain it.
My main question is: to users, how is this system functionally different
from a Wiki? Eg, a good
From: Jeff Turner
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 12:40:39PM +0200, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ...
In case something is not clear, I'll be very happy to explain it.
My main question is: to users, how is this system
functionally different from a Wiki? Eg, a good one that has
'related pages'
* Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-12 14:06]:
Stefano envisions a system where it is very easy to edit content using a
WYSIWIG editor (no structured text, no strange XML) for *everybody* by
simply clicking on an 'edit' button - without having installed any
unknown software - and to
From: Alan Gutierrez
* Reinhard Poetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-12 14:06]:
Stefano envisions a system where it is very easy to edit
content using
a WYSIWIG editor (no structured text, no strange XML) for
*everybody*
by simply clicking on an 'edit' button - without having
On Sunday, Oct 12, 2003, at 12:05 Europe/Rome, Joerg Heinicke wrote:
I think it's just easier to use a number.
I don't like the idea of having simply numbers in the URL. Let's have
a look on the following URLs:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/deutschland/artikel/420/19401/
Sueddeutsche online has
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 04:21 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit :
Tony Collen wrote:
...We might need to get away from the developer vs user notion,
because depending on how much about
Cocoon you already know, you might have to hack out a new generator
(which would seem to imply
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 11:36 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 04:21 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit :
Tony Collen wrote:
...We might need to get away from the developer vs user notion,
because depending on how much about
Cocoon you already know,
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
I'm starting to think (and I think this resonates with what Tony was
saying) that the physical structure of the docs should be flat,
wiki-style, having all docs files (real files or generated) in a
single directory, of very few directories like reference,
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 14:25 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a
écrit :
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...We can then build all kinds of navigational structures, trails,
multiple tables of contents, beginners/advanced, whatever (again
picking up on wiki idea of a flat page structure with many
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 14:11 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a
écrit :
...I think the documents should have a *numerical* identifier that
equates them with a URI.
http://cocoon.apache.org/cocoon/LO/3948494
I like the unique ID idea, OTOH not having descriptive names makes it
hard for
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 14:25 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit :
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...We can then build all kinds of navigational structures, trails,
multiple tables of contents, beginners/advanced, whatever (again
picking up on wiki idea of a
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:25 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Please don't forget Forrest.
we are not.
I thought about it and I totally resonate with Bertrand: we need to
outline an incremental transition to our own CMS reusing as much dog
food as possible (which is also good for
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:58 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 14:11 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a
écrit :
...I think the documents should have a *numerical* identifier that
equates them with a URI.
http://cocoon.apache.org/cocoon/LO/3948494
I
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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NOTE: this is *NOT* something that will replace either forrest or lenya.
In fact, the idea of this system is to show off *all* the cocoon-related
technologies we have in one big showcase for our own use. So, both
forrest and lenya should be happy to participate
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 15:33 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a
écrit :
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:58 Europe/Rome, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
...How about naming files like
3948494-some-descriptive-name-for-humans-here.xml
It's like suggesting to have a BugID
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
...Messy. what would something like this behave?
22003-this-is-first-doc.xml
22003-this-is-second-doc.xml
...
that's what I meant by the system having to ensure the uniqueness of
IDs. It is certainly problematic.
Look at Forrest, we have been having super-easy
Hi,
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:54 AM
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Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
...Messy. what would something like this behave?
22003-this-is-first-doc.xml
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 16:54 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a
écrit :
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
...Messy. what would something like this behave?
22003-this-is-first-doc.xml
22003-this-is-second-doc.xml
...
that's what I meant by the system having to ensure the uniqueness of
IDs.
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 16:54 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...
...Messy. what would something like this behave?
22003-this-is-first-doc.xml
22003-this-is-second-doc.xml
...
that's what I meant by the system having to ensure the uniqueness of
IDs.
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 17:19 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a
écrit :
...my point is that we should make it hard for people to edit stuff in
the repository directly...
Ok, I see the idea.
There's one additional concern though, which was undelying in my
suggestions: it should be as easy
Just for the sake of those of us who know less than you, Cocoon gods.
What is the advantage of using an all-numeric filename instead of
alphanumeric?
If I'm not mistaken by what I sleepily read this morning, you are
proposing a flat
big bag of documents. So, if there's no hierarchy, an
Stefano Mazzocchi dijo:
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:25 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Please don't forget Forrest.
we are not.
I thought about it and I totally resonate with Bertrand: we need to
outline an incremental transition to our own CMS reusing as much dog
food as
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
...
Based on lastest posts, I will like to see a fusion Lenya+Forrest. Is this
posible or they are divorced.
Synergy. What I want Forrest and Lenya to seek is syergy.
I can tell you, as a Forrest committer, that we *love* to do things to
make nice DTDs and relative
Robert Koberg wrote:
spipped description of forrest site.xml
...
Wasn't this all a conversation from a couple of years ago?
Yup :-)
It is good to see opinions change...
Yup, things change. As long as we remain open to change and accept
things that people need, things get better.
First,
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
snip/
I'm starting to think (and I think this resonates with what Tony was
saying) that the physical structure of the docs should be flat,
wiki-style, having all docs files (real files or generated) in a
single directory, of very few directories like reference,
Hi,
-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola Ken Barozzi
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Koberg wrote:
First, forrest's site.xml should change the element names to something
generic, like:
site
Robert Koberg wrote:
...
about forrest's site.xml:
The question is: why validate?
More than a few reasons:
- ensure unique identifiers with the xs:ID datatype
good point
- ensure valid id references with xs:IDREF for things like:
site id=cocoon.apache.org index_page= p1234
page id=p1234/
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:17:48PM +0200, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
On Saturday, Oct 11, 2003, at 14:25 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi
wrote:
Please don't forget Forrest.
we are not.
:) Let's remember that there's hard reuse and soft reuse. Hard reuse
means physically integrating
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