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From: Benedikt Ritter [mailto:brit...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:37
To: Commons Developers List
Subject: Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant
[snip]
Well, it's end of November now. So it's time to review the
result
2013/10/15 Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone can
present a dormancy challenge at any time, I'm challenging all of Commons
Proper.
I've made a file
I have partial interest in daemon and net because I use these at work or other
project.
Gary
Original message
From: Benedikt Ritter brit...@apache.org
Date:11/29/2013 05:36 (GMT-05:00)
To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org
Subject: Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All
:11/29/2013 05:36 (GMT-05:00)
To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org
Subject: Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant
2013/10/15 Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line
On 18 Oct 2013, at 9:24, Jörg Schaible wrote:
Hi Christian,
Christian Grobmeier wrote:
On 17 Oct 2013, at 18:12, Paul Benedict wrote:
I am glad to hear being dormant is not the same thing as being in
the
attic
Why?
Because attic means more or less that we not even intend to work on
On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:22, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
Being in the attic is NOT a permanent thing. Get active developers,
leave
the attic. If a project doesn't make any sense, stay in the attic.
We are having an attic but
I agree. The only reason [imaging] has been dormant for so long is
that I am busy making large changes that have taken many months to
write, so it's not really that dormant after all.
I understand the desire to do something about the current state of
Commons, but please don't make things harder
Henri Yandell wrote:
My first thought was We should delete that page. :)
Done at least for Release In Progress, last change 4 years ago. Funny
enough it had a line for Collections 4.0 ;-)
There's a lot of obsolete data in the wiki.
- Jörg
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com
wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
My first thought was We should delete that page. :)
Done at least for Release In Progress, last change 4 years ago. Funny
enough it had a line for Collections 4.0 ;-)
There's a lot of
On 17 Oct 2013, at 2:39, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 October 2013 12:25, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com
wrote:
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the
label doesn't make any sense. I would vote
On 10/17/13 5:52 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
On 17 Oct 2013, at 2:39, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 October 2013 12:25, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state,
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the
label doesn't make any sense. I would vote to remove the dormant state
in general.
If we don't have any need of a specific component we can put it to
attic.apache.org too.
No need to duplicate things.
If we don't have a
Careful there. Hen might suggest making that list dormant.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2013, at 0:38, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote:
BTW: We have already a challenge result, it's just terribly out of date:
https://wiki.apache.org/commons/CommonsPeople
Ted Dunning wrote:
Careful there. Hen might suggest making that list dormant.
Why tyke care, it just reflect the current state then ;-)
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2013, at 0:38, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote:
BTW: We have already a challenge result, it's just terribly
My first thought was We should delete that page. :)
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
Careful there. Hen might suggest making that list dormant.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2013, at 0:38, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote:
BTW: We
On 16 October 2013 12:25, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the
label doesn't make any sense. I would vote to remove the dormant state in
general.
If we don't have any need of a specific component we can put it to
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 October 2013 12:25, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the
label doesn't make any sense. I would vote to remove the dormant state in
general.
If
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org wrote:
Le 15/10/2013 09:13, Henri Yandell a écrit :
Related; here's the output of a 2006 script I've dusted off to show the
number of commits and from who to each component in 2013:
Le 15 oct. 2013 à 07:33, Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org a écrit :
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has leprosy. I
don't know the answer to this, but wondering, has there ever been a commit to
an attic'ed project? I personally would never think of doing that.
As
On 10/14/13 10:59 PM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
Le 15 oct. 2013 à 07:33, Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org a écrit :
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has leprosy. I
don't know the answer to this, but wondering, has there ever been a commit
to an attic'ed project? I
I am not happy about the challange, but if you have the file open can you
please add me as active contributor to VFS2? Thanks.
Am 15.10.2013 um 06:14 schrieb Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com:
On 10/14/13 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are
Phil,
The proposal is not to move it anywhere, just designate it as
dormant so people know no one is currently working on it. Honestly,
it is basically *acknowledging* its currently dead state.
Absolutely!
If you intend to work on it, you can commit to the svn file hen posted top
of this
Phil Steitz wrote:
I just killed a checkout that was grabbing all trunks to get this
file. Is there a way to check out just the file, or can we move it
somewhere easier to get to?
svn co -N https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/trunks-proper/
;-)
Le 15/10/2013 09:13, Henri Yandell a écrit :
Related; here's the output of a 2006 script I've dusted off to show the
number of commits and from who to each component in 2013:
http://people.apache.org/~bayard/ActivityReport.html
Nice, I suggest taking into account the commits under src/java
Hi all,
I'm not a commiter nor an active contributor, nevertheless, I use commons
every days and I clearly do not want to see them die. The reason I'm not
active is a matter of time (but it's just a matter of organization) and a
matter of being afraid of doing something wrong. Clearly, it seams
I monitor commits, rarely check JIRA, follow and sometimes answer mails and
close to never develop code for that component anymore - maybe once or
twice a year when I go through JIRAs.
Now what?
I appreciate the initiative but don't see this working too well for me.
If this was all just one
On 10/15/2013 10:31 AM, Torsten Curdt wrote:
I monitor commits, rarely check JIRA, follow and sometimes answer mails and
close to never develop code for that component anymore - maybe once or
twice a year when I go through JIRAs.
Now what?
I appreciate the initiative but don't see this working
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From: Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net
To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant
Le 15 oct. 2013 à 07:33, Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org a écrit :
I couldn't disagree
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org wrote:
I vote -1 to this process. I see no value in attic-izing projects.
I agree. The attic means graveyard IMO, resurrection is (usually) a
big deal, just ask Miracle Max.
Gary
On 10/14/2013 11:55 PM, Henri Yandell
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/14/13 10:59 PM, Paul Libbrecht wrote:
Le 15 oct. 2013 à 07:33, Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org a écrit :
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has leprosy. I
don't know the answer to this, but
Le 15/10/2013 14:35, Gary Gregory a écrit :
the web site can say last released on -mm-dd, no new
releases planned.
I like this idea, but unless you automate the site update it adds an
extra manual step to the release process.
Emmanuel Bourg
I don't like the idea of putting inactive components in the attic -- unless
there is some unreasonable length of time that goes by without any
development (3 years?). People who want to get things out of the attic are
usually a sole passionate fellow. Can a sole fellow unilaterally get a
component
On 10/14/13 11:50 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
Phil Steitz wrote:
I just killed a checkout that was grabbing all trunks to get this
file. Is there a way to check out just the file, or can we move it
somewhere easier to get to?
svn co -N https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/trunks-proper/
Personally, I like the idea of having a last release date AND a list of people
who are active in the project. The only problem is that people who go inactive
rarely remove themselves from the list.
Ralph
On Oct 15, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@scalaris.com wrote:
Hi Gary,
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Ralph Goers
ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Personally, I like the idea of having a last release date AND a list of
people who are active in the project. The only problem is that people who go
inactive rarely remove themselves from the list.
The only to
This automation, along with other infrastructure to attract new developers
already exists in several commercial source forges. Do Apache policies
allow development to be hosted at GitHub or the like?
Regards,
chas
On 10/15/13 8:50 AM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 15,
That would be a no. :)
Matt
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Honton, Charles charles_hon...@intuit.com
wrote:
This automation, along with other infrastructure to attract new developers
already exists in several commercial source forges. Do Apache policies
allow development to be hosted
On 10/14/13 11:27 PM, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
I am not happy about the challange, but if you have the file open can you
please add me as active contributor to VFS2? Thanks.
What is your ASF username?
Phil
Am 15.10.2013 um 06:14 schrieb Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com:
On 10/14/13 8:55
AFAIK Bernd is not an ASF committer, but a very motivated contributor to
VFS.
Matt
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/14/13 11:27 PM, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
I am not happy about the challange, but if you have the file open can
you please add me
On 10/15/13 9:50 AM, Matt Benson wrote:
AFAIK Bernd is not an ASF committer, but a very motivated contributor to
VFS.
OK, sorry. The more the merrier!
Done.
Phil
Matt
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Phil Steitz phil.ste...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/14/13 11:27 PM, Bernd Eckenfels
I'd like to put my name down as interested (but not active) for lang,
beanutils, collections, launcher, and exec; and active (meaning we're
using them and have patches, suggestions in the wings) for logging, vfs
and csv.
BTW, I've added a VFS-compatible component to Apache Pivot and we've
On 10/15/13 12:13 PM, Roger L. Whitcomb wrote:
I'd like to put my name down as interested (but not active) for lang,
beanutils, collections, launcher, and exec; and active (meaning we're
using them and have patches, suggestions in the wings) for logging, vfs
and csv.
Added to logging, csv,
On Oct 15, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Ralph Goers
ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Personally, I like the idea of having a last release date AND a list of
people who are active in the project. The only problem is that
Ralph Goers wrote:
On Oct 15, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Ralph Goers
ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Personally, I like the idea of having a last release date AND a list of
people who are active in the project. The
Hi Hen,
Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone
can present a dormancy challenge at any time, I'm challenging all of
Commons Proper.
I've made a file in SVN:
On 10/14/13 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone can
present a dormancy challenge at any time, I'm challenging all of Commons
Proper.
I've made a file in
I am willing to help out with CSV. ID = adrianc.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/14/2013 9:14 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 10/14/13 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In
On 10/14/13 9:14 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 10/14/13 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone can
present a dormancy challenge at any time, I'm challenging all
On 10/14/13 9:26 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
I am willing to help out with CSV. ID = adrianc.
Done :)
Phil
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/14/2013 9:14 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 10/14/13 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components
Thanks! I'm a committer in the sandbox, but I haven't ventured into
proper yet. I was hoping to get Commons Convert promoted to proper
someday. In the meantime I would be happy to work on CSV.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/14/2013 9:32 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
svn co -N https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/trunks-proper
Happy to move it, also happy to have people pick up a bit of SVN usefulness
:)
I've lifted the definition to:
(you monitor commits, JIRA, mail, and develop code for that component)
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Phil Steitz
I vote -1 to this process. I see no value in attic-izing projects.
On 10/14/2013 11:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should move
to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone can
present a dormancy challenge at
Three values jump out to me:
* First is for our users. Having code available that no one is supporting
while giving the appearance of support (ie: active Commons) is a bad
experience.
* Second (generally for the ASF) is that if we have code we can't maintain,
because there is no one who can
Perhaps for new users, however there are lots of projects currently
using these libraries. We are extending the middle finger to them by
doing this. I would come away thinking i'm not going to risk using any
Apache library, if I they will just yank away the next project i choose
to use
Am 15.10.2013 um 07:14 schrieb Dave Brosius dbros...@apache.org:
Perhaps for new users, however there are lots of projects currently using
these libraries. We are extending the middle finger to them by doing this. I
would come away thinking i'm not going to risk using any Apache library,
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has leprosy. I
don't know the answer to this, but wondering, has there ever been a
commit to an attic'ed project? I personally would never think of doing that.
On 10/15/2013 01:22 AM, Benedikt Ritter wrote:
Am 15.10.2013 um 07:14
On 10/14/13 9:59 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
Three values jump out to me:
* First is for our users. Having code available that no one is supporting
while giving the appearance of support (ie: active Commons) is a bad
experience.
* Second (generally for the ASF) is that if we have code we can't
On 10/14/13 10:33 PM, Dave Brosius wrote:
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has
leprosy. I don't know the answer to this, but wondering, has there
ever been a commit to an attic'ed project? I personally would
never think of doing that.
There have been commons
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