Re: Releases in a 3.0 World

2013-09-04 Thread Michal Mocny
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.orgwrote: On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrew Grieve agri

Re: cli plugins 'alias'?

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
I don't really think we need this feature: (1) We already have plugin's which support dependencies. Combined with the plugin repository, this means your alias feature is equivalent to creating a do-nothing plugin that specifies its dependencies. (2) Also, we will soon have a way to specify

Re: What's your daily workflow for cordova development?

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
I do like the idea of a `plugin watch` command, but I think we need to consider a few points: Our current plan for plugin upgrade is to plugin rm plugin add. So, we need an keep immutable copy of the original plugin as it was during install time in order to uninstall correctly (thought: maybe

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
Wildshot: localhost:4400/ripple ? On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote: Ok, forgive me if I did something stupid here. I cloned https://github.com/apache/incubator-ripple/tree/cordova-3.0. I did configure, jake, and then in Chrome I installed the unpacked

Re: When to update version numbers?

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
+1 for option #2 On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: For repos that use SemVer, there are two options: 1. Update the version number at the time that the change is made 2. Update the version number only when doing a release. Right now, #2 is what I've

Re: Frequency of releases

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
I like it, but I would stress that this is at most once per week, not necessarily every week. It should be fine to just skip a week if nothing interesting landed. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: We talked a bit about how frequent to release plugins /

Re: tagging on plugman / cli

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
If I understand correct, these tags aren't going to be used by npm, just make it easier for us to map npm releases to git hash's? Sounds fine, but hoping these stay well lined up over time. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: Right now CLI plugman don't

Re: Releases in a 3.0 World

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
For Strategy page: RE: Weekly Releases -- do we skip a release if there is nothing significant to push, or do we release so long as there is at least one patch? RE: Cadence Releases -- These releases include: platform repos, cordova-js, mobile-spec, cordova-docs, cordova-cli, cordova-plugman --

Re: Release Masters Component Leads

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
Volunteer maps well to hows its been done implicitly. If you cannot take a given week, find a sensible replacement. Rotation among willing folks makes some sense in terms of passing down of knowledge. -Michal On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: I

Re: cli plugins 'alias'?

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
I think we've had that feature request before (specifically referring to iOS console Logger plugin, being an optional dependency of the platform). I don't think its been implemented, and I cannot find a JIRA issue, so filed: CB-4735 -Michal On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Jonathan Bond-Caron

Re: Non-Git Plugin Dependencies

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
Sounds reasonable to me. Conceptually, I'm not sure why the syntax for (2) shouldn't do what you request when the url for the original plugin was a local path? Maybe just a bug? -Michal On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Jeffrey Heifetz jheif...@blackberry.comwrote: We were working on a

Re: Non-Git Plugin Dependencies

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Sounds reasonable to me. Conceptually, I'm not sure why the syntax for (2) shouldn't do what you request when the url for the original plugin was a local path? Maybe just a bug? -Michal On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Jeffrey Heifetz jheif

Re: Non-Git Plugin Dependencies

2013-09-03 Thread Michal Mocny
to set the path) E.g.: path=../B is always a relative fs path. If the current plugin is from git, then be careful not to go above the git root. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Mulling this over a bit, I think I would like a solution for specifying

Re: What's your daily workflow for cordova development?

2013-08-30 Thread Michal Mocny
I am interpreting your concern in two different ways, so I'll clarify my assumption and answer both: -- Interpretation (1): You want to develop a new plugin, and find it hard to find the right files to track inside a cli created workspace. If you want to develop some feature or

Re: Moving on

2013-08-30 Thread Michal Mocny
Meh, its almost time for Free Beer Fridays, anyway ;) -Michal On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Gord Tanner gtan...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that is low Michal ;) Don't make me walk the 2 blocks to break my foot off in your ass. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org

Re: Moving on

2013-08-30 Thread Michal Mocny
Bah! Nonsense! Inconceivable! You will be missed, Fil, but do have fun in your new adventure. Also, speak up more often than Gord here on this lists, will ya? ;) -Michal On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Max Woghiren m...@chromium.org wrote: Best of luck, Fil! On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at

Re: config.xml refactoring

2013-08-28 Thread Michal Mocny
FYI: This was a quick whiteboard discussion this morning that started with why do I need to modify the platform config just to update my application's name, and sorta spiraled into an interesting idea to potentially solve this problem once and for all. Trying to make sure we haven't missed

Re: config.xml refactoring

2013-08-28 Thread Michal Mocny
supporting platforms/ as generated content (aka build artifact) is certainly an ultimate goal, but only for the CLI workflow, and even then we would love to suport fallback to sane actions when users don't see it that way and do modify platforms/. Second, a single config.xml shared for all

Re: config.xml refactoring

2013-08-28 Thread Michal Mocny
config.xml (1 per platform would be fine) and have defaults for what is not specified there. The user specified config.xml takes precedence. So when I upgrade, I just need to copy over the config.xml. -James Jong On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote

Re: Post 3.0.0 Releases - Plugins

2013-08-23 Thread Michal Mocny
points. I don't think we should be bumping for every single commit. -James Jong On Aug 22, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: I'm concerned about who decides when to bump semver version numbers for plugins? How do you define a feature, vs a bugfix? non-backwards

Re: Post 3.0.0 Releases - Plugins

2013-08-22 Thread Michal Mocny
I'm concerned about who decides when to bump semver version numbers for plugins? How do you define a feature, vs a bugfix? non-backwards-compatible changes are easier to spot, but is a non-user facing improvement a feature or bugfix, say, an api-compatible perf improvement? Plugging a stub

Re: Extending CordovaWebView

2013-08-22 Thread Michal Mocny
Potentially cordova itself would make use of this feature. For one quick practical example, in order to implement local notifications on iOS you have to modify the AppDelegate, which is created as part of the app template. If you are re-creating your app often, you may want to modify the

Re: Cordova Committer Hangout notes

2013-08-15 Thread Michal Mocny
I think it was earlier discussed that we would skip August and have a September 3.1 (or whatever we call it now) release. -Michal On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.comwrote: Forgot to mention during the meeting that there was an Elephant in the hangout. Are

Re: Cordova Committer Hangout notes

2013-08-15 Thread Michal Mocny
Absolutely, but the regular cadence historically still didn't include every month. The schedule set 1 year in advance has 10 releases, skipping august after a major release and december since everyone is on vacation. If there is reason to release now, I'm sure arguments will be heard! On Thu,

Re: Post 3.0 release committer and community meeting

2013-08-14 Thread Michal Mocny
Keep in mind that everyone will be able to watch this live or recorded later. You only need a direct invite if you would like to speak. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Lisa Seacat DeLuca ldel...@us.ibm.comwrote: Is it too late to get invited to this? ldeluca. I'm not colocated but I did

Re: Post 3.0 release committer and community meeting

2013-08-14 Thread Michal Mocny
this to deter anyone who does have something to say from asking for an invite, I'm just reminding that everyone will be able to watch even past the 10-limit. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Did we hit the 10 co-lo max for hangouts? On 8/14/13 9:28 AM, Michal

Re: plugin.xml specification

2013-08-14 Thread Michal Mocny
I would think it will be more confusing to use the same tag name that does something different depending on which platform its used on, so I'de vote to leave them specific and not try to unify. I do think thats its hard to tell which tag applies to which platform, so perhaps a platform prefix or

Re: Intro Mail - Srinivasan

2013-08-13 Thread Michal Mocny
Also, for what its worth, its always more fun to add a simple new feature than to fix a complex old bug ;) On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:50 PM, David Kemp drk...@google.com wrote: Hi, I would suggest making sure that you can build and deploy a sample app and then the cordova-mobile-spec test

Re: Post 3.0 release committer and community meeting

2013-08-09 Thread Michal Mocny
One original agenda item was 4.0 goals, timeline, and priorities, is that still on the list? Perhaps put that at the end, so that we will be motivated to be concise for the rest of the meeting and have time to brainstorm :) On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Woot!

Re: Cordova-js in a 3.0 world

2013-08-09 Thread Michal Mocny
Andrew originally wrote: Of these, the only one I think is actually a good idea is #1, but thought it might be neat to talk about the others. On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Idea #1: Separate plugin helper APIs into distinct plugins Makes perfect sense to me.

Re: Cordova Docs in a 3.0 World

2013-08-07 Thread Michal Mocny
+1 to README bundled with the plugin, and having a `cordova docs`, so that we can have offline documentation. I would also like a way to have the guides available offline, but perhaps that could come in the form of a cordova-plugin-guides or come bundled with cordova-cli and be included with

Re: Serve vs. opening an HTML file in the browser

2013-08-06 Thread Michal Mocny
file:// urls come with a lot of restrictions in chrome in desktop, but that isn't the intended use case anyway. The intended purpose was to load the web assets from a mobile device instead of loading the bundled versions, so as to get rapid edit-refresh when not making changes to native bits. As

Re: Why CLI Plugman are so slow

2013-08-06 Thread Michal Mocny
be worth the switch for the file handle issues or whatnot, but I don't predict a perf win. -Michal On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: I didn't replace it inside plugman, but assumed that for plugin ls and platform ls it would not call into plugman.. perhaps

Re: Posting Blog Posts

2013-08-06 Thread Michal Mocny
I'de like to make a proposal about how we go about publishing certain blog posts. I think this is a good practice for Organizational-type blogs to clearly identify posts which are (1) genuinely origination from the organization, vs (2) those which are just being curated from within the community.

Re: Posting Blog Posts

2013-08-06 Thread Michal Mocny
I like Ians suggestion. I'm happy to trust that contributors know what constitutes good/bad content and what is/isn't worth sharing, and that we can go to the lists for the few times where confirmation is needed. Fil, that okay with you? Another question, though: should we have templates for

Re: Post 3.0 release committer and community meeting

2013-08-06 Thread Michal Mocny
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: Want to get the ball rolling on this. Please fill out this doodle so we can pick a day: http://www.doodle.com/i4u89n2k52yne4zt AFAIK, the *best* timezone-friendly time is 4:30PM PST How to meet? - Hangouts have a max

Re: Why CLI Plugman are so slow

2013-08-02 Thread Michal Mocny
Just did a few quick tests: while shelljs exec may be slow, seems we are not using it in a nested way (which seems quite obvious). I wrote a quick benchmark to: cordova plugin ls cordova platform ls cordova prepare in a loop a bunch of times and see almost zero time difference replacing

Re: Why CLI Plugman are so slow

2013-08-02 Thread Michal Mocny
as in we're using it in synchronous way ? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Just did a few quick tests: while shelljs exec may be slow, seems we are not using it in a nested way (which seems quite obvious). I wrote a quick benchmark to: cordova plugin

Re: handling resources in default cli-generated app

2013-07-29 Thread Michal Mocny
Tommy-Carlos: Just so I understand, are you saying that it is necessary to run a script to move your icons around correctly? Isn't that defeating the point of the merges folder? Are you using merges/ specifically for its merging ability, or just as a place to hold resources -- and isn't the

Re: Android Bridge performance

2013-07-29 Thread Michal Mocny
Just to be clear, thats 58% of *total* exec round trip time (580ms) , or 58% of only the native bits? If its over half of the total, thats ridiculous. -Michal On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:36 AM, David Kemp drk...@google.com wrote: I have been doing some testing on the bridge to see how the

Re: Google Team's Task Backlog: iOS

2013-07-29 Thread Michal Mocny
has already been sent? We could probably do similar timing + logging to detect slow plugins in this case. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: While I like that idea, what happens when creating the plugin result is heavy, perhaps needing to synchronize

Re: Google Cast!

2013-07-24 Thread Michal Mocny
I am not sure what form the chromecast SDK will have for browser (this was not leaked internally). I suspect it is very likely to use some chrome-specific extensions hence it was listed as a Chome-Api and no Web/Js Api. Net/net, unlikely that you will see a PG plugin for this any time soon -- we

Re: Google Cast!

2013-07-24 Thread Michal Mocny
I take that back, possibly we can build a plugin with the ios/android sdk. I'm not sure what it would mean to stream media using this API and am not all too hopeful that it will support web content from ios/android webview :( On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org

Re: Google Cast!

2013-07-24 Thread Michal Mocny
/questions/13616449/screen-sharing-with-webrtc On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: I take that back, possibly we can build a plugin with the ios/android sdk. I'm not sure what it would mean to stream media using this API and am not all too hopeful

Re: cordova-playbook 'deprecation'

2013-07-23 Thread Michal Mocny
Well, we should obviously not go purging the source, but I think that if it isn't actively being maintained or tested, then it should be included in releases and given new version numbers. Unless there is anyone interested in maintaining it, I think the best we can do for users is signal the last

Re: Aliases for 'core' plugins

2013-07-23 Thread Michal Mocny
One thing you could do today, Ray, is create a plugin which lists all the plugin dependencies you want, then only add that one whenever you create a new project. If you would like, you could even publish that plugin as a cordova-core-useful-plugins plugin or under some such name. Otherwise, I do

Re: Aliases for 'core' plugins

2013-07-23 Thread Michal Mocny
if its portable for general use though (pathing): https://github.com/apache/cordova-mobile-spec/blob/master/dependencies-plugin/plugin.xml On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: One thing you could do today, Ray, is create a plugin which lists all the plugin

Re: cordova-app-harness and the App Store

2013-07-23 Thread Michal Mocny
I haven't actually played with this yet. I think this would make an awesome blog post. Found an old note that says record a video to show off the app-harness. I still think thats a good idea. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I'll ping the legal list to see

Re: Aliases for 'core' plugins

2013-07-23 Thread Michal Mocny
, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Yet another option is perhaps some yeoman generator or something: Do you want to use Camera? [y/n] ... -Michal

Re: thoughts on 4.0 cadence

2013-07-17 Thread Michal Mocny
Does that mean 4.0 will ship for PGDay EU 2014? I think thats got good symmetry. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I like the fall idea For Cordova 3.11 I propose we call it Cordova for Workgroups :P

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-13 Thread Michal Mocny
Anis, if it was just a matter of blank-or-default-only that would be fine, but I think we do want a way to start with arbitrary app, and so blank is just one extra option (Can even be implemented not as a cli special case, but just as an app template referenced by the already planned generic

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Michal Mocny
. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Agree with Shaz, most of these thoughts already addressed in that bug. Please add further opinions about specifics there. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: Might be worth

Re: CDVLogger went away in master

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I love that idea. Makes transitioning easy. On Jul 2, 2013 1:38 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: perhaps platforms should support plugin dependencies? On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Andrew Grieve agri

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
) On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the starting app template (ie, the hello world app) at cordova create time. In mobile-chrome-apps land we do this via an optional --source=... flag

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
this for iOS is easy in the create script (just parameterize the template folder location) On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the starting app template (ie, the hello world app) at cordova

Re: [jira] [Created] (CB-4153) Add ability to select default app template at cordova create time

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
at 2:45 PM, Michal Mocny (JIRA) j...@apache.org wrote: Michal Mocny created CB-4153: Summary: Add ability to select default app template at cordova create time Key: CB-4153 URL: https://issues.apache.org

Re: Android - Removing the .api namespace

2013-07-10 Thread Michal Mocny
Yeah, thats true, willingness to support plugins by original devs changes with time. Its just inevitable. I wonder if the solution here doesn't just end up being the plugin universe? As maintenance is dropped, other willing devs have to take over ownership via forks, and we update the

Re: Android - Removing the .api namespace

2013-07-09 Thread Michal Mocny
I'de have to disagree with that argument, Joe. I think Andrew did the work for core plugins, and there should be no published external plugins using the new 3.0 plugin structure yet, right? Are we intending to not break compatibility with some hypothetical external plugin dev who used a

Re: XML schema for plugin.xml and config.xml?

2013-07-09 Thread Michal Mocny
If we did that, wouldn't they both effectively just end up the same, anyway? (See what I did there?) Seriously though, if the schema is changing isn't that all the more reason to support validation so devs can get early confirmation? -Michal On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Brian LeRoux

Re: Whitelist: *.doman vs subdomain attribute

2013-07-06 Thread Michal Mocny
Not sure I understand how it is that this cannot be supported.. Couldn't we allow native plugins to register synchronous observers for the CDVWhitelist URLIsAllowed method, and move the current implementation out to a core plugin? Then if your app wants something more complicated, you can just

Re: iOS: shouldRotateToOrientation javascript handler

2013-07-05 Thread Michal Mocny
-orientation spec is probably the way to go in the future, on any platforms that can support it. [1] http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/uikit/reference/UIViewController_Class/DeprecationAppendix/AppendixADeprecatedAPI.html#jumpTo_9 On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Michal

Re: iOS: shouldRotateToOrientation javascript handler

2013-07-05 Thread Michal Mocny
(video?) in landscape thus overriding the app default.s On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Yeah, sorry, I meant the JS method: window.shouldRotateToOrientation is undocumented and not supported on other platforms. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Andrew

Re: cordova-cli CORDOVA_HOME env variable

2013-07-05 Thread Michal Mocny
I think the use case is valid. Patch seems simple enough. -Michal On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Someone sent a pull request: https://github.com/apache/cordova-cli/pull/16 Thoughts?

Re: CLI's master2

2013-07-04 Thread Michal Mocny
(small correction, next was actually called future). Also, I don't see any work being done on master. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: If master is in use, then I think that is a mistake. As far as I'm aware, master branch should be dead right? We had

Re: Success with Cordova CLI and custom plugin

2013-07-04 Thread Michal Mocny
. All it does is copy the plugin code from your location or URL to a plugins directory. With --link, instead it will symlink. It does not actually create symlinks for native or web plugin code. Would that even work, I wonder? For compiling, etc. On 7/3/13 10:32 AM, Michal Mocny mmo

Re: Success with Cordova CLI and custom plugin

2013-07-03 Thread Michal Mocny
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tyler Wilson twil...@pulse-robotics.comwrote: Good day, Just wanted to publicise that I have had success with the cli, a custom plugin and an iOS build. I must say once everything is set up it is pretty nice being able to add/remove components and it appears

Re: CDVLogger went away in master

2013-07-02 Thread Michal Mocny
for anything less (other than corodva@=2.9 legacy support). On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: To answer the question of why we may want to leave it out: - If you are using remote debugging on ios6+ you don't need it - Our log wrapper

Re: Review Request: Fixing exec bug.

2013-06-24 Thread Michal Mocny
, it would be possible for an app that uses the bridge heavily to remain using the UI thread indefinitely, right? Can we assume that this is unlikely to happen, ie, the exec queue will drain to 0 relatively quickly? - Michal Mocny On June 21, 2013, 5:21 p.m., Jeffrey Willms wrote

3.0 tasks

2013-06-24 Thread Michal Mocny
Are we behind/ahead of schedule? Seems important to be organized about the work left to do here. Also, 3.0 is already behind has come up as an argument a few times on the lists, so lets quantify that. JIRA 3.0.0 fix version tracker [1] seems like it must be an incomplete list of tasks, right?

Re: CLI: suggested change to platform ls command

2013-06-19 Thread Michal Mocny
Great idea to expand the output. I do prefer the explicit `ls` and would rather have the default be --help. Given that, `ls` is harmless, so I don't much mind. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Michael Brooks mich...@michaelbrooks.cawrote: I think [1] is up to the command patterns that

Re: Plugin and CordovaPlugin

2013-06-17 Thread Michal Mocny
2.10 would mean new features, 2.9.x would mean just bugfixes. With that definition, we can make the release number decision as we evaluate the reason for a release. I'm hoping to not need a 2.10, since it would imply people are not using 3.x yet. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Grieve

Re: CLI lazy loading of libraries

2013-06-13 Thread Michal Mocny
:30 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: That sounds awesome, sweet work Fil! Question: your cordova-android lib example has the uri /Users/fil/src/cordova-android, but you mention supporting only .tar.gz -- does that mean that non-archived local directories are also supported

Re: We need better contributions from new people

2013-06-12 Thread Michal Mocny
Before we go changing process, is this really a systemic issue? Bugs happen, and people sometimes land code, I'de rather be nimble in fixing those issues than rigid in preventing them. Personal opinion. -Michal On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ian Clelland iclell...@chromium.orgwrote:

Re: Cordova CLI merge, new branch, INFRA ticket

2013-06-12 Thread Michal Mocny
Sent from my iPhone5 On 2013-05-29, at 9:06 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: For the record, I don't mind a reclone, so long as there are no negative repercussions, ie, (1) its not called master2 and (2) there is no way

Re: Hi group

2013-06-11 Thread Michal Mocny
Witam, Piotr! On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Welcome man! I would totally link you to all the repos and which ones are important and how to get started, but the apache git servers we rely on are currently down :( On 6/11/13 6:47 AM, James Jong

Re: CLI lazy loading of libraries

2013-06-11 Thread Michal Mocny
good. [1] https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cordova-android.git;a=snapshot ; h =2.8.0;sf=tgz On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Glad to see movement on this. Few suggestions: - use $HOME/.cordova-config/libs

Re: [cordova-cli] ripple instead of serve

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
I was a score keeper last year (two years ago?) and it was super cool. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Dan, my brother showed me this (he is mechatronics student at UW). Is it still on tomorrow? On Fri, Mar 22, 2013

Re: 2.9.0 + RC objectives

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
We hope to get a fixed up DataResource on android in for 2.9, Braden is working on that. +1 to lazy loading libraries in 2.9 and release timing. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Hey all, What do we want to ship in 2.9 other than the usual batch of fixes? Does

Re: [cordova-cli] ripple instead of serve

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
with the app harness. I have yet to play around with it, actually, to my shame. Michal are there any specific things necessary for the app-harness other than a local server? On 6/10/13 1:23 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: If the current 'serve' implementation needs axing, thats fine

Re: [cordova-cli] ripple instead of serve

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
: There is an interesting nugget here. Maybe there should be things like ./platforms/ripple (and ./platforms/chrome-packaged-app ??? makes sense to me. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: - App-harness is 99% just plain serving of files

Re: Hello Cordova World!

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
Hello! Welcome :) On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Ken Wallis kwal...@blackberry.com wrote: Welcome to the group Lisa! I do have to ask, have you looked at the new BlackBerry's? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Tommy Williams Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:04 PM To:

Re: 2.9.0 + RC objectives

2013-06-10 Thread Michal Mocny
, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: We hope to get a fixed up DataResource on android in for 2.9, Braden is working on that. +1 to lazy loading libraries in 2.9 and release timing. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: Hey

Re: CLI lazy loading of libraries

2013-06-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Glad to see movement on this. Few suggestions: - use $HOME/.cordova-config/libs -- this gives us a folder to put other stuff into later, without littering $HOME with .cordova-this and .cordova-that - I would love to have the ability to use different cordova-lib versions within any project

Re: chromeview

2013-06-05 Thread Michal Mocny
Adding to Bradens answer, here are some things I remember discussing: - Chrome/Android teams have significantly harder constraints than cordova would have in terms of backwards compatibility, stability, and API consistency. Cordova could probably do interesting things if we didn't need to

Re: Friendly reminder re: Core API patches

2013-06-05 Thread Michal Mocny
+1. However, do we want to support 2.x for some extended time during the tooling transition to 3.x for everyone? One way to do this is just land a constant stream of point releases on the 2.9.x branch. Another way could be to branch a 2.x long-lived feature branch before merging in 3.0.0 and

Re: [Android] Why is DataResource still in master?

2013-06-05 Thread Michal Mocny
100 yard summary: our intern Shravan from last term was adding this as part of his app-harness work. This specific change landed a too hastily as there were some issues in corner cases (perhaps over-eagerness due to time pressure as he approach term end), but all actual uses of DataResource

Could we mark all JIRA issues related to doing releases with a special tag like [RELEASE]?

2013-05-31 Thread Michal Mocny
I would love to be able to split the JIRA updates for RC/Release management out into a separate email folder. What do you think? -Michal

Re: Cordova CLI merge, new branch, INFRA ticket

2013-05-29 Thread Michal Mocny
Can we go with (1) and still keep master2 around (perhaps rename it to something sensible) so that we can still get full history but with one level of indirection: - The mega commit could have a commit message such as THIS WAS A HACKY MERGE, FOR REAL HISTORY LOOK IN THE OLD_FUTURE BRANCH - When

Re: Cordova CLI merge, new branch, INFRA ticket

2013-05-29 Thread Michal Mocny
all of that nonsense with three lines. Braden On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Can we go with (1) and still keep master2 around (perhaps rename it to something sensible) so that we can still get full history but with one level of indirection

Re: a cordova app

2013-05-27 Thread Michal Mocny
Thats pretty interesting, Alessio. It is very similar in concept to the app-harness[1][2] project we are working on, except we were not planning to integrate directly with dropbox, instead use a web server hosted solution. We would love to hear your feedback on the project, and any

Re: Changes in Mobile-Spec are breaking Cordova on Android 4.0.3 ICS

2013-05-26 Thread Michal Mocny
[private reply] Didn't want to sidetrack the discussion, but im curious about your chromebook workflow.. are you doing full local dev using crouton, using a remote connection, or something like phonegap build using local environment just for text editing? And which machine are you using?

Re: Changes in Mobile-Spec are breaking Cordova on Android 4.0.3 ICS

2013-05-26 Thread Michal Mocny
Well I just suck. Please ignore me and dont sidetrack the original question! On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: [private reply] Didn't want to sidetrack the discussion, but im curious about your chromebook workflow.. are you doing full local dev using

Re: New directory structure in cordova-cli's future branch

2013-05-23 Thread Michal Mocny
a promoted flow (matter of fact, why was it released? Are we supporting current users of that, is that it?) -Michal On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Brian, I do not really understand your previous point, but I'll take a stab. First some clarification

Re: New directory structure in cordova-cli's future branch

2013-05-23 Thread Michal Mocny
it in 3.0. On 5/23/13 9:27 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Clarification of typing mistake, below.. Also, curious why this breaks things in the first place? I thought this is the first time we are releasing these tools? The current create script workflow is totally different

Re: New directory structure in cordova-cli's future branch

2013-05-23 Thread Michal Mocny
to a resolution. Worst-case we call a vote next week? On 5/23/13 10:56 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Fil, that sounds extremely sensible. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Filip Maj f...@adobe.com wrote: https://npmjs.org/package/cordova While CLI

Re: New directory structure in cordova-cli's future branch

2013-05-22 Thread Michal Mocny
arguments for/against the app/ based structure, now is the time to bring it up. We can give this some more time to bake, but after 2.8 is released, I'd like to call a vote on whether we should move to this structure or not in 3.0. On 4/16/13 8:31 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org

Re: Conference Season and Holidays

2013-05-02 Thread Michal Mocny
No plans for vacations yet, though I will likely take some in July. No conferences until PGDay. -Michal On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Grieve agri...@chromium.org wrote: Away Tues-Friday next week. Gone most of July for paternity :) On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM, James Jong

Re: Import platform specific www-files

2013-05-02 Thread Michal Mocny
If you are using cordova-cli, there is already a merges/ folder for exactly this. From the README: Platform-specific web assets (HTML, CSS and JavaScript files) are contained within appropriate subfolders in this directory. These are deployed during a prepare to the appropriate native directory.

Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo

2013-04-26 Thread Michal Mocny
I thought we switched to 3 release policy -- and planned to start in 2.7 to be done by 3.0? Or is that not official yet? On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't added the tickets yet. Do we want to deprecate by 3.0 or follow the six month deprecation

Re: [Android] The Deprecation of Froyo

2013-04-26 Thread Michal Mocny
: If it's official, we should announce it in a blog or something. Are people cool with me writing a blog post about this and getting it on PhoneGap.com? On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: I thought we switched to 3 release policy -- and planned to start

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