Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-27 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: On 19 Jul 2014, at 10:46 , Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: After discussion with Noah Slater today, and as discussed in the CouchDB IRC

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-27 Thread Joan Touzet
- Original Message - From: Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com No, just adding that discussion should be done following the code of conduct. Again, the code of conduct is not part of this vote, just the bylaws. Given the current vote count, the bylaws will pass at 23:59 UTC today. I

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-27 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com No, just adding that discussion should be done following the code of conduct. Again, the code of conduct is not part of this vote, just the bylaws.

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-21 Thread Noah Slater
) To: dev@couchdb.apache.org (mailto:dev@couchdb.apache.org) Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:36:20 PM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote The main concern here is about rule lawyering, i.e. upholding the letter of the law but not the spirit in which

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-20 Thread Simon Metson
...@apache.org (mailto:nsla...@apache.org) To: dev@couchdb.apache.org (mailto:dev@couchdb.apache.org) Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 3:56:33 PM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote On 18 July 2014 22:16, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org (mailto:j...@apache.org) wrote

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: After discussion with Noah Slater today, and as discussed in the CouchDB IRC meeting today, I will be driving the bylaws and CoC through to votes and formal adoption. Based on unaddressed comments in the previous mailing

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
I would like to see a formal change to R-T-C too. I include the useful notes that Cloudant follows for this model below. Obviously not all this text belongs in the bylaws. I suggest it, or a variant of it, belongs on our wiki but is referenced in the bylaws, which should also cover the rules

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On 19 Jul 2014, at 10:46 , Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: After discussion with Noah Slater today, and as discussed in the CouchDB IRC meeting today, I will be driving the bylaws and CoC through to votes and

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On 19 Jul 2014, at 07:49 , Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: Jan says: - Original Message - On CTR (commit-then-review): it’s a leftover from the cvs/svn days, in our git world, what was equivalent to commit in the old model is merge to master (and release branches) in ours.

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Joan Touzet
+1 to everything Jan says here. - Original Message - From: Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:06:14 AM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote On 19 Jul 2014, at 10:46 , Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.org wrote: I would like to see a formal change to R-T-C too. I include the useful notes that Cloudant follows for this model below. Obviously not all this text belongs in the bylaws. I suggest it, or a variant of it,

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
On 18 July 2014 22:16, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: Further, use of these bylaws, or especially any loopholes or imprecise language therein, as a weapon against others acting in good faith is neither within the spirit of the bylaws themselves nor considered acceptable behaviour - and

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
Joan, how would you prefer my feedback? Edits made directly to the doc, or via email? There are some things I'd like to change. On 17 July 2014 06:23, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: After discussion with Noah Slater today, and as discussed in the CouchDB IRC meeting today, I will be

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
Here goes, via email: bolded text for (formatting error?) copyrighted by (the original copyright here is more correct I believe) will be supported by a healthy community over time -- was originally seen to by, meaning, code will be produced by the community. I believe this edit changes the

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Joan Touzet
think this captures that adequately. -Joan - Original Message - From: Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org To: Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org Cc: dev@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Joan Touzet
. --- - Original Message - From: Alexander Shorin kxe...@gmail.com To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:02:53 AM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Robert Samuel Newson rnew...@apache.org wrote: I would

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Robert Samuel Newson
nsla...@apache.org Cc: dev@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote Here goes, via email: bolded text for (formatting error?) copyrighted by (the original copyright

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Noah Slater
, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote Here goes, via email: bolded text for (formatting error?) copyrighted by (the original copyright here is more correct I believe

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-19 Thread Joan Touzet
Subject: Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote The main concern here is about rule lawyering, i.e. upholding the letter of the law but not the spirit in which it was intended. I will rephrase. Old language --- Finally, use of these bylaws, or especially any loopholes

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-18 Thread Jan Lehnardt
On 17 Jul 2014, at 06:23 , Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote: After discussion with Noah Slater today, and as discussed in the CouchDB IRC meeting today, I will be driving the bylaws and CoC through to votes and formal adoption. Based on unaddressed comments in the previous mailing list

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-18 Thread Jan Lehnardt
I’m really happy with the current form of the bylaws, thanks everyone! I did some nitpicky updates (clarifications, cross referencing etc. : https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/diffpagesbyversion.action?pageId=40511017selectedPageVersions=73selectedPageVersions=70) that do *not* change

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-18 Thread Joan Touzet
I said: At this point, the bylaws are mostly stable, but there may remain some tweaks to the text necessary to ensure they match how we have been running the project for some time now. We (the PMC) acknowledge that they are not perfect, but we do not want to let the perfect to be the enemy of

Re: [NOTICE] Updated Bylaws - final readthrough before vote

2014-07-18 Thread Joan Touzet
Jan says: - Original Message - On CTR (commit-then-review): it’s a leftover from the cvs/svn days, in our git world, what was equivalent to commit in the old model is merge to master (and release branches) in ours. And for that we do distinctly follow review-then-commit