Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-09 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I've got it refactored on my own local branch, but it's a big enough change I might submit it separately. I hate to say it, but working on this really makes my head hurt. I've got the as3httpdlib working on my local copy. I need a bit to clean it up -- should have it ready this evening or tomorr

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 8, 2015 8:52 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > > On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, "Nicholas Kwiatkowski" wrote: > > > > >I have some time to implement the as3httpdlib this weekend if that is the > >direction we want to go. > > Sounds good to me, go for it! And some refactoring of the main mxml file would

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Harbs
FWIW, when I tried to implement a socket server for Flash, I ran into more issues than with URLLoader. Although, I don’t remember any details. On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, "Nicholas Kwiatkowski" wrote: > >> >> I have some time to implement the as3

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/6/15, 2:56 PM, "Nicholas Kwiatkowski" wrote: > >I have some time to implement the as3httpdlib this weekend if that is the >direction we want to go. Sounds good to me, go for it! -Alex

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-08 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Ok. Digging into this a bit more, the only time we will ever use HTTPS is during the Installer Config download and the MD5s. No reason why we need to be tunneling the Installer Config through HTTPS. All it contains is localization strings for the current version. MD5 paths (and all paths, really

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 6, 2015 7:37 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > > On 2/6/15, 1:11 AM, "Tom Chiverton" wrote: > > >On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: > >> What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 > >> native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to HTTP or add some > >> c

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/6/15, 1:11 AM, "Tom Chiverton" wrote: >On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: >> What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 >> native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to HTTP or add some >> checkbox. Then we can get better data on how many problems t

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-06 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 05/02/15 16:56, Alex Harui wrote: What do others think? IMO, for 3.2 we should just do the swap of an AS3 native HTTP implementation and not switch our urls to HTTP or add some checkbox. Then we can get better data on how many problems that change solved or if it introduces new issues. Not

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
e.org >Cc: Paul Hastings >Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer >config? > >On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >> Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this >> area, would we in fact

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I'd recommend against using the client to bypass the windows settings. If we do, the we need to expose properties like Proxy Settings, and need to deal with locations that disallow large TCP window sizes (for example, users on AT&T DSL have to force their TCP Window size to 1440 instead of 1500 wh

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
Very weird. This time when I hit the link I ended up at https://code.google.com/p/as3httpclient/ Which does show BSD, but last time I ended up at https://code.google.com/p/as3httpclientlib/ Which shows MIT. I guess there is more than one version of AS3 Native HTTP. Whoever works on it can pi

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Erik de Bruin
Weird, I see BSD instead of MIT... Maybe it shows one for the US, and another for the world? EdB On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 2/5/15, 12:23 AM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>> Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. >> >>It's BSD not MIT but that's also

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/5/15, 12:23 AM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. > >It's BSD not MIT but that's also OK assuming you add it to LICENSE. [1] Ugh. Did you find BSD somewhere? That could mean the authors didn’t handle their IP carefully. When I go to their site

RE: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
+1 to http vs https. -Mark -Original Message- From: omup...@gmail.com [mailto:omup...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of OmPrakash Muppirala Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:11 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Cc: Paul Hastings Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/5/2015 4:53 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote: If people's Windows settings are incompatible with modern web sites people as in "people who don't normally use IE". chrome reaches the config file site just fine (ditto for firefox). as justin pointed out most developers aren't big fans of IE, so thi

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 04/02/15 17:38, Erik de Bruin wrote: Only if you think a man-in-the-middle attack that hijacks both the download and the MD5 request is more likely than the bad guys having backdoor access to the servers actually hosting those files. And given the fact that those servers reside in the US and t

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-05 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. It's BSD not MIT but that's also OK assuming you add it to LICENSE. [1] Justin 1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 11:41 PM, "piotrz" wrote: >Hi Om, Alex, > >So can we just use this library ? Any license objections ? Or it is too >big >and better write our own logic ? Looks like it is MIT license so ok to use. -Alex

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread piotrz
Hi Om, Alex, So can we just use this library ? Any license objections ? Or it is too big and better write our own logic ? Om, This is right link, because I see couple of links in google: https://code.google.com/p/as3httpclient/ Piotr - Apache Flex PMC piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com -- View

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 6:12 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >On Feb 4, 2015 5:33 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >> Sounds reasonable. >> >> The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know >> if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top if >> it will bypass th

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 5:33 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > Sounds reasonable. > > The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know > if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top if > it will bypass the IE libraries underneath? Yes, it will. I use the as3http

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Sounds reasonable. The AIR downloading code via URLLoader just seems sensitive. Do we know if we use AIR sockets and build our own http download protocol on top if it will bypass the IE libraries underneath? -Alex On 2/4/15, 11:03 AM, "Nicholas Kwiatkowski" wrote: >An option we could use is t

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
An option we could use is to try https first. If it fails, present the user to drop down to http. This should take care of all use cases, yet still allow the user control the security level... -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > In another thread, I think Tom C says we

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
>>> In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to >>>deliver >>> all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? >> >>-1. We are already doing MD5 checks on downloaded artifacts. I am not >>sure what benefit https is going to add here. > > It looks like we curren

RE: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Neil Madsen
g issues before could give that a try and let us know if that does indeed fix the issue. Neil -Original Message- From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Sent: February-04-15 9:13 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Cc: Paul Hastings Subject: Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed fo

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/4/15, 9:14 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >On Feb 4, 2015 9:03 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >> In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to >>deliver >> all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? > >-1. We are already doing MD5 checks on downloaded

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 9:03 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver > all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -1. We are already doing MD5 checks on downloaded artifacts. I am not sure what benefit https is going to add

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
In another thread, I think Tom C says we should be using https to deliver all of our bits, which we aren’t today. What do folks think? -Alex On 2/4/15, 8:37 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >I thought the change to http was going to be in the >sdk-installer-config-4.0.xml file but it turns out it isn’t

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
I thought the change to http was going to be in the sdk-installer-config-4.0.xml file but it turns out it isn’t. When the artifact is coming from the mirrors, the Installer uses https to get MD5 and the apache-flex-sdk-installer-config.xml file. Should we use http to get the MD5s as well? If so,

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Yes. This is purely an SSL issue in regards to new TLS certificates (other cyptro methods were proven to be weak, so many sites/browsers aren't supporting them anymore). -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise i

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
However, we do need to verify that hitting HTTP doesn't cause too many redirects (possibly to HTTPS), as I seem to remember that redirects sometimes cause trouble for AIR and not to mention that we'd be back to square one if that would happen... EdB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Erik de Bruin

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Erik de Bruin
+1 here as well, especially since that would be an 'easyfix' ;-) EdB On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:11 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala wrote: > On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >> Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this >> area, would we in fact skirt around th

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Feb 4, 2015 8:09 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this > area, would we in fact skirt around this by hitting http for more of our > downloads instead of https? > +1 to hitting http by default. Thanks, Om > -Alex > > On 2/4/15, 8:0

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Another question for you guys, since I don’t have any expertise in this area, would we in fact skirt around this by hitting http for more of our downloads instead of https? -Alex On 2/4/15, 8:05 AM, "Paul Hastings" wrote: >On 2/4/2015 10:52 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: >> Anything Vista+/Mac

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/4/2015 10:52 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: Anything Vista+/Mac OS10.4+ has TLS turned on by default. It was made available in XP, if you turned it on. 1.0 was on by default, 1.1 & 1.2 (guess the culprit here) weren't.

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config?

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Hastings
On 2/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote: TLS 1.x is fast becoming mandatory for SSL connections. This page http://blogs.msdn.com/b/kaushal/archive/2011/10/02/support-for-ssl-tls-protocols-on-windows.aspx has a chart showing TLS support by O/S, and indicates Windows 7 should support it, I assum

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: "Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures")

2015-02-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Anything Vista+/Mac OS10.4+ has TLS turned on by default. It was made available in XP, if you turned it on. -Nick On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote: > On 04/02/15 15:23, Alex Harui wrote: > >> I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when finding a >> downlo

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: "Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures")

2015-02-04 Thread Tom Chiverton
On 04/02/15 15:23, Alex Harui wrote: I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when finding a download error and suggest that folks use Internet Explorer to hit the failing download. At the very least, it'll provide an immediate data point if they report it, and may aid people

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: "Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures")

2015-02-04 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Paul, Thanks for finding that. I wonder if on Windows, the Installer should pop an alert when finding a download error and suggest that folks use Internet Explorer to hit the failing download. Thoughts? -Alex On 2/4/15, 1:08 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >Please continue discussion on this is

Re: [Installer - FLEX-34251] Is SSK needed for load installer config? (was: "Re: sdk 4.14.0 100% install failures")

2015-02-04 Thread Tom Chiverton
The IE 'internet options' are actually the Windows internet options, it's a left over from when IE was illegally tied to Windows. The question is what are the default settings there - if the defaults are for those options to be on we don't need to worry ? Tom On 04/02/15 09:08, Erik de Bruin