Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-13 Thread Robert Metzger
This discussion has resulted in the following PR: https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/10559 On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 10:14 PM Bowen Li wrote: > +1 to drop vendor related docs. Links to vendors’ webpages should be enough > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:15 Seth Wiesman wrote: > > > @uce Agreed.

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-10 Thread Bowen Li
+1 to drop vendor related docs. Links to vendors’ webpages should be enough On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:15 Seth Wiesman wrote: > @uce Agreed. The discussion here seems to have died down. Since I assume > most people following this thread have gone home for the day, I'll leave > this for one more

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-10 Thread Seth Wiesman
@uce Agreed. The discussion here seems to have died down. Since I assume most people following this thread have gone home for the day, I'll leave this for one more day and then remove the pages tomorrow. Seth On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:38 AM Ufuk Celebi wrote: > Answers inline... > > On Thu,

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-10 Thread Ufuk Celebi
Answers inline... On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:28 PM Seth Wiesman wrote: > One option would be to do exactly that, but then I feel like we are > committing to tracking changes on those systems and I just don't know how > feasible that is. > I don't think that's feasible. It's bound to get out of

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Trevor Grant
If anyone wants to do a drive by PR link to vendor docs, just let them. Just have the menu set up so it doesn't get too visually busy? E.g.: Deployment & Ops -> Cluster Deployment -> 3rd Party Vendors -> [ GCP, AWS, Azure, Ververica, Oracle Cloud, IBM, Lightbend, Crazy Trevo's House of Streaming,

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Seth Wiesman
@chesnay I'm not sure, however, I don't know what we could do to improve the situation that wouldn't effectively be copying those vendors docs into our own. One option would be to do exactly that, but then I feel like we are committing to tracking changes on those systems and I just don't know

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Robert Metzger
The bounce rate of these pages is not particularly bad. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:48 PM Trevor Grant wrote: > You can infer that by looking at the "bounce rate" eg someone gets to the > page, looks at it, realizes its trash and clicks "back". > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:46 AM Chesnay

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Trevor Grant
You can infer that by looking at the "bounce rate" eg someone gets to the page, looks at it, realizes its trash and clicks "back". On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:46 AM Chesnay Schepler wrote: > Question now is whether the numbers are so low because the docs aren't > required or because they are so

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Chesnay Schepler
Question now is whether the numbers are so low because the docs aren't required or because they are so bad. On 05/12/2019 14:26, Robert Metzger wrote: I just checked GA: All numbers are for the last month, independent of the Flink version: aws.html: 918 pageviews mapr_setup.html: 108

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Trevor Grant
Based on that the only "maybe" is AWS, and I just googled it and AWS docs pretty well own the first page (flink.apache.org shows up 3/4 the way down on first page behind AWS docs). I revise my "vote" to +1 to dump the whole thing. On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 7:26 AM Robert Metzger wrote: > I just

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Robert Metzger
I just checked GA: All numbers are for the last month, independent of the Flink version: aws.html: 918 pageviews mapr_setup.html: 108 pageviews gce_setup.html: 256 pageviews Some other deployment-related pages for reference: yarn_setup: 4687 cluster: 4284 kubernetes: 3428 On Thu, Dec 5,

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Trevor Grant
Same as Ufuk (non-binding) In general, docs pages are great "first commits" to leave out there as newb-issues. Also though, worth checking how often people use the page (e.g. GA) 3rd option: add a `.bu` to AWS/GCE pages and open a JIRA ticket to fix them (and put a readme explaining why they

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Ufuk Celebi
+1 to drop the MapR page. For the other two I'm +0. I fully agree that the linked AWS and GCE pages are in bad shape and don't relate to a component developed by the community. Do we have any numbers from Google Analytics on how popular those pages are? If they are somewhat popular, I would

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-05 Thread Till Rohrmann
If the community cannot manage to keep the vendor-specific documentation up to date, then I believe it is better to drop it. Hence +1 for the proposal. Cheers, Till On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:12 PM Aljoscha Krettek wrote: > +1 > > Best, > Aljoscha > > > On 2. Dec 2019, at 18:38, Konstantin Knauf

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-02 Thread Konstantin Knauf
+1 from my side to drop. On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:34 PM Seth Wiesman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to discuss dropping vendor-specific deployment documentation from > Flink's official docs. To be clear, I am *NOT* suggesting we drop any of > the filesystem documentation, but the following three

[DISCUSS] Drop vendor specific deployment documentation.

2019-12-02 Thread Seth Wiesman
Hi all, I'd like to discuss dropping vendor-specific deployment documentation from Flink's official docs. To be clear, I am *NOT* suggesting we drop any of the filesystem documentation, but the following three pages. AWS: