Re: Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-10 Thread Gav....
- Original Message - From: "David Crossley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | I don't use Putty, but i heard people talk on Infra@ that | you now need to use ssh v2. However see below. I don't know about the others, but I find Putty fairly straight forward to use. I have version 0.58 so that vers

Re: Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-10 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Tim Williams wrote: ... > I've never looked at James but it seems > that since we have our own mail system we should be able to come up > with a secure email approach that "just works" without "figuring it > out". Just a pointer. http://wiki.apache.org/james/HostApacheOnJames http://wiki.apache.

Re: Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-09 Thread Diwaker Gupta
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 9:40 am, Tim Williams wrote: > > > I personally wasn't overwhelmed. The docs are fairly good except for > > > the pitiful email situation. I had problems setting up email myself a few weeks back (mostly SMTP related) and I had asked on the dev-list as well, and also exc

Re: Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-09 Thread David Crossley
Tim Williams wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > > Tim Williams wrote: > > > > > > I personally wasn't overwhelmed. The docs are fairly good except for > > > the pitiful email situation. > > > > Tim, can you explain what you mean by "pitiful email situation". I see > > an opportunity to improve the le

Re: Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-09 Thread Tim Williams
On 8/8/05, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Williams wrote: > > On 8/6/05, Thorsten Scherler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>The important point is that new committer are generally > >>overwhelmed by the information and infrastructure of the project and the > >>ASF. Some learn bet

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-09 Thread Anil Ramnanan
Ross Gardler wrote: > I also agree. It would be interesting to hear Anils take on this since > some projects have given their GSoC people "simple committership". I > did check with Anil that he understood why we were not doing that, but > it was a private discussion so I do

Improving our welcome docs pitiful(wasRe: Simple committership)

2005-08-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Tim Williams wrote: On 8/6/05, Thorsten Scherler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The important point is that new committer are generally overwhelmed by the information and infrastructure of the project and the ASF. Some learn better step by step understanding what is ASF all about and what a PMC m

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-09 Thread Ross Gardler
rectly to PMC as it is now; there's not enough objective criteria to distinguish between the two on an individual-by-individual basis. This is an interesting point, I agree with it. I also agree. It would be interesting to hear Anils take on this since some projects have given their GSoC pe

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-09 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Tim Williams wrote: ... > On a side note, not that we should necessarily consider this... but > it's worth mentioning that there's a social factor to all this as > well, right? I mean, let's be honest, it'd suck to be the new guy/gal > voted in as a committer-only to Forrest knowing that all befor

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-08 Thread Tim Williams
On 8/6/05, Thorsten Scherler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 15:30 +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > > > > If we want to include "simple committership" as a role, I would like to > > hear someone explain how simple committership will

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-08 Thread Ross Gardler
David Crossley wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: Addi wrote: David Crossley wrote: Thorsten Scherler wrote: ...snip lots of good discussion... My reasoning is that we can ensure that this "newbies" can learn the apache way to it fullest (which is one of the most important point in the proce

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Ross Gardler wrote: ... > One last point not raise yet. One of the dangers of giving early commit > access is that you can end up with lots of code that is not supported. > This is OK if it goes into the whiteboard where we can retire it easily. > But full commit access means people are free to add

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-07 Thread David Crossley
Ross Gardler wrote: > Addi wrote: > >David Crossley wrote: > >>Thorsten Scherler wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>...snip lots of good discussion... > >> > >>>My reasoning is that we can ensure that this "newbies" can learn the > >>>apache way to it fullest (which is one of the most important point in > >>>t

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-07 Thread Ross Gardler
aps problems with maintaining it because forrest is developing very rapid. The lenya skin was nearly all div based. At the time I started here in forrest there was an issue about an "all div based" skin. The result is called "pelt". While I was developing the skin I had "si

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-07 Thread Addi
est is developing very rapid. The lenya skin was nearly all div based. At the time I started here in forrest there was an issue about an "all div based" skin. The result is called "pelt". While I was developing the skin I had "simple committership" to forrest. I

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-07 Thread David Crossley
Scherler wrote: > Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > > > > If we want to include "simple committership" as a role, I would like to > > hear someone explain how simple committership will solve more > > issues than it may cause, especially given the above. In partic

Re: Simple committership

2005-08-06 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 15:30 +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > If we want to include "simple committership" as a role, I would like to > hear someone explain how simple committership will solve more > issues than it may cause, especially given the above. In particular,

Re: Simple committership

2005-07-30 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > Over time, some seem to recurringly ask that Forrest creates a "simple > committer" role used as a step between being a developer and a PMC member. > > Here is an explanation of what I think I have learned in this respect. > Other people might have different views an

Simple committership

2005-07-29 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
hat are not Apache members, so that will probably have some impact. If we want to include "simple committership" as a role, I would like to hear someone explain how simple committership will solve more issues than it may cause, especially given the above. In particular, I would like to ha