Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-31 Thread Lance J. Andersen
That is correct. For any standalone technology that is being released outside of J2EE, you need to pass the standalone version of the TCK. The tests are not always the same, as there are some additions and subtractions based on the requirements of how the technology is defined to work outs

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 30, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 28, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: I think I wrote something a little confusing...let me clarify... What we do to a subset of Geronimo has impact on the whether it passes. However if Geronimo p

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On May 30, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 28, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: I just read through the long "Module restructure" thread, and it to me is seems like many people are talking about how we break Geronimo into subprojects without using the word subpro

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Jeremy Boynes
Jeff Genender wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 28, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: I think I wrote something a little confusing...let me clarify... What we do to a subset of Geronimo has impact on the whether it passes. However if Geronimo passes the TCK, then a subset wo

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Jeff Genender
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 28, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: I think I wrote something a little confusing...let me clarify... What we do to a subset of Geronimo has impact on the whether it passes. However if Geronimo passes the TCK, then a subset would include the featu

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 29, 2005, at 2:08 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote: On 5/28/05, Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Each subproject has an inherent amount of overhead. For example, each subproject needs a separate project management committee, each one will need to produce releases (not an easy task) an

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 28, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Brian K. Wallace wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dain Sundstrom wrote: | |> My questions at the root of this are: |> ~ 1. Assuming the whole of Geronimo passes the TCK, what can be said of |> a 'minimal' Geronimo? Is it able to claim anythi

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 28, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Jeff Genender wrote: I think I wrote something a little confusing...let me clarify... What we do to a subset of Geronimo has impact on the whether it passes. However if Geronimo passes the TCK, then a subset would include the features that passed. Technicall

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 28, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Brian K. Wallace wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dain Sundstrom wrote: | I just read through the long "Module restructure" thread, and it to me | is seems like many people are talking about how we break Geronimo into | subprojects withou

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 28, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: I just read through the long "Module restructure" thread, and it to me is seems like many people are talking about how we break Geronimo into subprojects without using the word subproject. That may be where it went to out of confusion, bu

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-29 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
Bruce Snyder wrote, On 5/29/2005 2:08 AM: On 5/28/05, Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Each subproject has an inherent amount of overhead. For example, each subproject needs a separate project management committee, each one will need to produce releases (not an easy ta

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 5/28/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that people would like to see components broken down so that > they can mix-n-match the pieces that they want, rather than having to > always swallow the whole enchilada. > > The question then is, how do you break up these pieces so

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Bruce Snyder
On 5/28/05, Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Each subproject has an inherent amount of overhead. For example, > each subproject needs a separate project management committee, each > one will need to produce releases (not an easy task) and so on. I > would sat that "there is a demonstr

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
I think that people would like to see components broken down so that they can mix-n-match the pieces that they want, rather than having to always swallow the whole enchilada. The question then is, how do you break up these pieces so that we can support this. Regards, Alan David Jencks wrot

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Brian K. Wallace
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Jencks wrote: | So far I am completely unconvinced by any arguments in this thread. | | As a thought experiment, lets suppose we had already released a | certified geronimo, say last month, and we had solved most of our build | problems, say wit

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Brian K. Wallace
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dain Sundstrom wrote: | |> My questions at the root of this are: |> ~ 1. Assuming the whole of Geronimo passes the TCK, what can be said of |> a 'minimal' Geronimo? Is it able to claim anything with regard to the |> TCK? | | | It depends on the spe

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread David Jencks
So far I am completely unconvinced by any arguments in this thread. As a thought experiment, lets suppose we had already released a certified geronimo, say last month, and we had solved most of our build problems, say with maven2. So, we have a certified branch and trunk, and all the geronimo

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Jeff Genender
I think I wrote something a little confusing...let me clarify... What we do to a subset of Geronimo has impact on the whether it passes. However if Geronimo passes the TCK, then a subset would include the features that passed. However, as it stands, passing is an all-or-nothing propsition.

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On May 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Brian K. Wallace wrote: Agreed. And this, if properly combined with 'common deployments', could be a major step toward getting new users more interested. Undoubtedly it will require a shift in developer processes, but in the long run it would (in theory - appli

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Jeff Genender
Brian K. Wallace wrote: ~ 1. Assuming the whole of Geronimo passes the TCK, what can be said of a 'minimal' Geronimo? Is it able to claim anything with regard to the TCK? TCK is all or nothing. You pass all tests or you don't pass certification. A minimal Geronimo would clearly be a subs

Re: Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Brian K. Wallace
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dain Sundstrom wrote: | I just read through the long "Module restructure" thread, and it to me | is seems like many people are talking about how we break Geronimo into | subprojects without using the word subproject. The goals of the | "Module rest

Geronimo subprojects?

2005-05-28 Thread Dain Sundstrom
I just read through the long "Module restructure" thread, and it to me is seems like many people are talking about how we break Geronimo into subprojects without using the word subproject. The goals of the "Module restructure" thread seem to be: 1) allow modules to branch to unstable witho