Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
On 29/10/2011 10:02, Tim Ellison wrote: I will start a vote (on a new thread) for you to express your opinion. Last call for votes -- please either cast your vote now on the voting thread, or let me know you want more time. Regards, Tim
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Hi: I have not directly contribute to Harmony yet, but the project I'm working on currently performs better with harmony lib. Some one wants to develop support for openJdk class lib, I still prefer modularized structure. I thought java core should be defined as self-hosting, that is able to build the runtime itself. The other libs are auxiliary. I personally have plan to fix bugs for harmony. I run harmony on linux, and find thread lib has bugs. If it goes attic, does it mean I have to keep all fixes for myself? Then -- -1 DaFENG Coder Telecommunication Network Industry Gmail:sunspid...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org To: dev@harmony.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? bye blackdrag
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Parts of the Harmony classlibs live on in Mika too, and maybe ultimately parts of DRLVM too. I recognise the inevitability of this move, but I can't bring myself to vote for it. Harmony proved a lot of things, including the applicability of the Apache model to a huge project involving engineers from several companies and a specification you would pay not to have to implement. Congratulations (and heaps of thanks) to all those involved. All the best Chris Gray
Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Back in March I wrote [1] about the choice facing our community to either find a new goal for Apache Harmony, or move the project under the responsibility of the Apache Attic project [2]. There has been no significant activity in Apache Harmony since, so it would seem appropriate to make the move. I will start a vote (on a new thread) for you to express your opinion. The Apache Attic project has a separate PMC who would take over responsibility for the Harmony code repository, mailing lists, etc. This ensures the continued oversight of the project's assets in place of the Harmony PMC. While there will be no more releases of Apache Harmony after it moves to the Attic, there is no impact to the license or terms available to users. If a group of people choose to work on Harmony again then the resources can be reinstated under a new PMC at the approval of the Board. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to Apache Harmony over the years! [1] http://markmail.org/message/ah5f42h4p2bhub6o [2] http://attic.apache.org Regards, Tim
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. Thx, Matthias On Saturday, October 29, 2011, Tim Ellison t.p.elli...@gmail.com wrote: Back in March I wrote [1] about the choice facing our community to either find a new goal for Apache Harmony, or move the project under the responsibility of the Apache Attic project [2]. There has been no significant activity in Apache Harmony since, so it would seem appropriate to make the move. I will start a vote (on a new thread) for you to express your opinion. The Apache Attic project has a separate PMC who would take over responsibility for the Harmony code repository, mailing lists, etc. This ensures the continued oversight of the project's assets in place of the Harmony PMC. While there will be no more releases of Apache Harmony after it moves to the Attic, there is no impact to the license or terms available to users. If a group of people choose to work on Harmony again then the resources can be reinstated under a new PMC at the approval of the Board. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to Apache Harmony over the years! [1] http://markmail.org/message/ah5f42h4p2bhub6o [2] http://attic.apache.org Regards, Tim -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Am 29.10.2011 11:02, schrieb Tim Ellison: Back in March I wrote [1] about the choice facing our community to either find a new goal for Apache Harmony, or move the project under the responsibility of the Apache Attic project [2]. There has been no significant activity in Apache Harmony since, so it would seem appropriate to make the move. I will start a vote (on a new thread) for you to express your opinion. The Apache Attic project has a separate PMC who would take over responsibility for the Harmony code repository, mailing lists, etc. This ensures the continued oversight of the project's assets in place of the Harmony PMC. Moving to the attic would be so sad... Have you ever thought of moving away from Apache? I mean moving to the attic sounds a lot like it will be parked there, not commits will be done in the future, and well, releases you have excluded alraedy. I am not part of Apache in any way, so I don't know really, but it did sound as if there are no longer enough people to really do anything useful in that infrastructure. Also, what do you think could give the project a bit dirve again? bye blackdrag
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process Regards, Tim
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? bye blackdrag
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Hello, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? It doesn't seem so: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/harmony/?root=Apache-SVN last commit ist 3 month old. Its a shame this project goes to the attic. I would prefer to see Harmony become an alternative to Java. But as long as there are no people showing interest in doing so, the attic is its place. Attic projects can have a revival, if things change. Cheers
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
Android's core libraries are derived from Harmony. In my mind that makes Harmony one of Apache's most successful projects. Occasionally Android developers are confused about which project they should report bugs to. Moving Harmony to the Attic prevents Android-specific bugs from going to the wrong place. And it makes it easier for us to fix the bugs! Android's core libraries continue to receive much love and attention. We're very proud of our many improvements, particularly to IO/NIO, HTTP, SSL and XML. Projects that want an Apache-licensed core library may use Android's core library. Big thanks to everyone who has contributed to Harmony. Your work lives on in the hearts and pockets of millions of Android users.
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
В Сбт, 29/10/2011 в 15:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier пишет: Hello, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? It doesn't seem so: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/harmony/?root=Apache-SVN last commit ist 3 month old. Its a shame this project goes to the attic. I would prefer to see Harmony become an alternative to Java. But as long as there are no people showing interest in doing so, the attic is its place. I wonder if anyone contacted Oracle about JCK after Sun was acquired by them. Absence of JCK was the main reason why Harmony lost its support IMHO. Attic projects can have a revival, if things change. Cheers
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
On 29/10/2011 12:18, Jochen Theodorou wrote: Am 29.10.2011 11:02, schrieb Tim Ellison: Back in March I wrote [1] about the choice facing our community to either find a new goal for Apache Harmony, or move the project under the responsibility of the Apache Attic project [2]. There has been no significant activity in Apache Harmony since, so it would seem appropriate to make the move. I will start a vote (on a new thread) for you to express your opinion. The Apache Attic project has a separate PMC who would take over responsibility for the Harmony code repository, mailing lists, etc. This ensures the continued oversight of the project's assets in place of the Harmony PMC. Moving to the attic would be so sad... Have you ever thought of moving away from Apache? I mean moving to the attic sounds a lot like it will be parked there, not commits will be done in the future, and well, releases you have excluded alraedy. There is certainly no concern about being at Apache! The move is our own project decision (subject to Board approval) based on the fact that there is no active community working in the project today. In that sense it is already 'parked' until a group choose to pick up and continue/re-purpose the work. I am not part of Apache in any way, so I don't know really, but it did sound as if there are no longer enough people to really do anything useful in that infrastructure. Also, what do you think could give the project a bit dirve again? We worked long and hard on the original goal of the project -- a full compatible and compliant Java SE implementation. The history of Apache's attempt to complete that aim is well documented. If people want to pick up that goal, or use the resources for something else then it is quite possible to form a community and bring things out of the attic once again. Regards, Tim
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
On 29/10/2011 15:59, Gregory Shimansky wrote: В Сбт, 29/10/2011 в 15:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier пишет: Hello, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? It doesn't seem so: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/harmony/?root=Apache-SVN last commit ist 3 month old. Its a shame this project goes to the attic. I would prefer to see Harmony become an alternative to Java. But as long as there are no people showing interest in doing so, the attic is its place. I wonder if anyone contacted Oracle about JCK after Sun was acquired by them. Absence of JCK was the main reason why Harmony lost its support IMHO. I'm surprised you missed the reporting, and subsequent Apache withdrawal from the JCP etc. For example, see http://markmail.org/message/rqyg4sdybsd35xgg https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/search?q=harmony http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2010/board_minutes_2010_10_20.txt and various press articles. Regards, Tim Attic projects can have a revival, if things change. Cheers
Re: Moving Apache Harmony to the Attic
В Sat, 29/10/2011 в 16:49 +0100, Tim Ellison пишет: On 29/10/2011 15:59, Gregory Shimansky wrote: В Сбт, 29/10/2011 в 15:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier пишет: Hello, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Jochen Theodorou blackd...@gmx.org wrote: Am 29.10.2011 14:53, schrieb Tim Ellison: On 29/10/2011 10:13, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Sounds right... Too sad to see this happening. Will the code remain in an svn repo? I don't see much in the attic svn repo. The process is described here [1]. The Harmony SVN will be marked read-only, so anyone can still obtain the code to use under the usual Apache terms. We would not allow any commits as that requires an active PMC to provide the oversight of the incoming changes. [1] http://attic.apache.org/process are there still people willing to commit to the project? It doesn't seem so: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/harmony/?root=Apache-SVN last commit ist 3 month old. Its a shame this project goes to the attic. I would prefer to see Harmony become an alternative to Java. But as long as there are no people showing interest in doing so, the attic is its place. I wonder if anyone contacted Oracle about JCK after Sun was acquired by them. Absence of JCK was the main reason why Harmony lost its support IMHO. I'm surprised you missed the reporting, and subsequent Apache withdrawal from the JCP etc. For example, see http://markmail.org/message/rqyg4sdybsd35xgg https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/search?q=harmony http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2010/board_minutes_2010_10_20.txt and various press articles. Right. I recall this now. Then +1 for the Attic. Regards, Tim Attic projects can have a revival, if things change. Cheers
