[STATUS] (perl-framework) Wed Nov 12 23:45:51 EST 2003

2003-11-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
httpd-test/perl-framework STATUS: -*-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2002/03/09 05:22:48 $] Stuff to do: * finish the t/TEST exit code issue (ORed with 0x2C if framework failed) * change existing tests that frob the DocumentRoot (e.g.,

Re: Apache calls initialize module twice

2003-11-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: At 02:18 PM 11/10/2003, you wrote: Bill Stoddard wrote: [...] Any ideas how to avoid the second call to initalize_module when I run as a service ? You can't avoid the second call but there are ways to gracefully handle it. Here is a snip of code from a module I

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Matthieu Estrade
MATHIHALLI,MADHUSUDAN (HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote: Disclaimer : Not targetting any one individual I don't think there is target here, i consider it more as an open discussion. I have a question to the people have lots of time to write such long mails and responses - why can't you instead spend

Re: Apache calls initialize module twice

2003-11-13 Thread Stas Bekman
Jeff Trawick wrote: [...] Since the work arounds (such as Bill suggested) are required for 1.3 and 2.0 compatiblity already, it seems we should focus on 2.1 and solve this for good. as far putting a solution in 2.0, what is it our concern if a module wants to support only Apache = 2.0.50?

Re: Apache calls initialize module twice

2003-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 13, 2003, at 2:43 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: ap_mpm_query(), implemented by each MPM, would need some help from core to determine which pass of the pre/post-config hook it is, since that is out of the MPM's domain. It seems to me that the proposed patch (for modules) elegantly solves a

Re: Apache calls initialize module twice

2003-11-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Nov 13, 2003, at 2:43 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: ap_mpm_query(), implemented by each MPM, would need some help from core to determine which pass of the pre/post-config hook it is, since that is out of the MPM's domain. It seems to me that the proposed patch (for modules)

RE: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread MATHIHALLI,MADHUSUDAN (HP-Cupertino,ex1)
-Original Message- From: Matthieu Estrade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SNIP] But when you give feedback, review code, and post patch and nothing happen then... It's not easy to continue this way =) Maybe my feedback and mails aren't good, so in this case i understand more... but with no

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread TOKILEY
In a message dated 11/13/2003 12:53:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the by... Covalent signs my paycheck. And if you look at 1.3, you'll see that I've been pretty key on staying on top of it. Kind of blows away your theory, don't it? Nope

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 12:47 PM 11/13/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at what has REALLY happened in the past 3 years ( yes... going back that far since it's now 4 or 5 years since 2.0 became a real blib on the radar ) there's no question that there was this intense period of development and 'new' things

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread TOKILEY
Hi Bill... This is Kevin... William Rowe wrote... We value individual contributions here, not corporate affiliation. We means ASF, right? If so... then I think you just nailed the whole point of this thread, if I am reading the original poster's concerns correctly. There doesn't CURRENTLY

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Stas Bekman
Mads Toftum wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:10:24PM -0800, Aaron Bannert wrote: My main requirement is that the bug tracking system be fully-accessible through email. Having a full web interface is great, but not at the expense of usable offline replies to bug reports. RT could be what you're

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Andr Malo
* Ace Suares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But no one reacted on the mod_auth_ldap problem for over 3 days ! Jeez you must be real busy ! Exactly. Believe it or not. nd

Re: mod_deflate and transfer / content encoding problem

2003-11-13 Thread TOKILEY
My reading of RFC 2616 is that Accept-encoding is only for content-codings. You are right. Brain fart on my part. I am still not sure how the discussion about mod_deflate has gotten anywhere near Transfer-Encoding:. mod_deflate is NOT DOING TRANSFER ENCODING. Was it you that suggested it was

Re: should input filter return the exact amount of bytes asked for?

2003-11-13 Thread Stas Bekman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:41:46AM -0800, Stas Bekman wrote: filter. What happens if the filter returns less bytes (while there is still more data coming?) What happens if the filter returns more bytes than requested (e.g. because it uncompressed some data). After all

Re: should input filter return the exact amount of bytes asked for?

2003-11-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:38 AM -0800 Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Where this should be documented? In the ap_get_brigade .h? It's already in util_filters.h. Read the documentation for ap_input_mode_t: /** The filter should return at most readbytes data. */

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Ace Suares
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Ace Suares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. But no one reacted on the mod_auth_ldap problem for over 3 days ! Jeez you must be real busy ! Exactly. Believe it or not. I believe it. Just saw the [STATUS] messages. But one simple question,

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Andr Malo
* Ace Suares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But one simple question, 'is this the right list for mod_auth_ldap, and do you know who is 'responsible' for it, don't get answered, however, there is time to answer about a broken threading and even time to answer that you're real busy... way to go.

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Ace Suares
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Sure it is the right list. Thx! Unfortunately I can't help you in this case, because my ldap knowledge is about zero. My C skills are zero. I see just the two of us won't get anywhere ;-) However, one tip: Don't give up. Repeat your

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Graham Leggett
Ace Suares wrote: Brent Putnam has told me that mod_auth_ldap in 2.0 differs from 1.3 (the external rudedog module) and that his patch won't work, and that he has no time on his hands at the moment. Okay, that means that as only option I can just post a bug report, and I will... In the hope

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Ace Suares
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Graham, The wheels turn slowly, but they do turn. grin... If you expect people to be at your beck and call, to apply the patches immediately as they're submitted, then you're going to have to pay us :) I don't expect that! But hey, if you

Re: Q: Intermittent trouble with mod_auth_ldap in 2.0 and 1.3

2003-11-13 Thread Ace Suares
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I posted a bug report at http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24683 If you have firther questions, I will be available. Cheers, ace website: http://www.suares.nl * http://www.qwikzite.nl -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Ben Hyde
I've quite a few ideas and opinions about why things might be quiet these days. I'd recommend against taking any of these ideas too seriously. Here is an idea: we have gotten out in front of the users. Products have features and overtime they get more and more features. Users have some

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
Aaron Bannert wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:55:24AM -0700, Brad Nicholes wrote: Just to point out the obvious fact that hopefully everybody can agree with and consider taking action on: More code review[er]s would be useful regardless of C-T-R vs. R-T-C. And whether or not you agree with

RE: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Peter J. Cranstone
Good response - ask the customer what he wants and then help him achieve it. It all starts with stability - compatibility - performance. The ASF has a tough job ahead of it, getting millions of users to change. Not an easy task in today's environment Peter -Original Message- From: Ben

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 12, 2003, at 8:51 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I think our changes that we already have in the tree is about 'right' for 2.2 (no big architecture changes, but lots of modules have been rewritten and improved). It's just that no one has time or desire to shepherd 2.2 to a release. And,

Re: [PATCH] UseCanonicalName (1.3/2.x)

2003-11-13 Thread Jeff Trawick
Jim Jagielski wrote: Brad Nicholes wrote: Also, this exposes a bug, I think, in 2.0/2.1. parsed_uri.port is valid iff parsed_uri.port_str != NULL. Currently, we are testing just to see if parsed_uri.port itself isn't 0. What you are saying then is that without testing parsed_uri.port_str, there

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread TOKILEY
Hi all... I just have to jump in here since the topic is fascinating... ...and I think there's an opportunity here to review something that has contributed to the 'slow down' at httpd-dev which no one has seemed to grasp (yet). I will call it... The Covalent Factor. If you look at what has

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:29:55AM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote: Another point to consider... With 2.2, module writers will need to worry about *3* versions of Apache. Commercial entities which have *just* gotten around to porting their 1.3 modules for 2.0 will likely not bother with 2.2 modules

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Well, 2.2 modules for the most part should be source-compatible with 2.0. Certain subsystems have changed dramatically (auth being the prime example I can think of), but I wouldn't expect every module to have to change to support 2.2. (This is, again, taking my

Re: should input filter return the exact amount of bytes asked for?

2003-11-13 Thread Stas Bekman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:38 AM -0800 Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Where this should be documented? In the ap_get_brigade .h? It's already in util_filters.h. Read the documentation for ap_input_mode_t: /** The filter should return at most

Re: [PATCH] UseCanonicalName (1.3/2.x)

2003-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
Jeff Trawick wrote: is there some bad or unhelpful behavior in apr_uri_parse() that should be changed? (i.e., don't let port be non-zero if port_str is NULL) Well, it's *documented* that port is only valid if port_str != NULL. I see no reason why we need to change the code, when the method

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Matthieu Estrade
Hi, I would like to speak a little about all this slow answer or review problems. i will take example of my last patch about ldap-cache. I started doing it 5 month ago, and posted few patch many times on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nobody answered on the list, i posted about 4 or 5 times the same

Re: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutionsplease

2003-11-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
Matthieu Estrade wrote: Then, Jeff Trawick get it and it become faster, lots of mail and communication, and finally, the patch was commited last week. Yep... finding a champion of your code/patch/fix in the development team tends to result in quicker results. And no, it shouldn't have to

RE: the wheel of httpd-dev life is surely slowing down, solutions please

2003-11-13 Thread MATHIHALLI,MADHUSUDAN (HP-Cupertino,ex1)
Disclaimer : Not targetting any one individual I have a question to the people have lots of time to write such long mails and responses - why can't you instead spend that time to review patches and give feedback ? It sure will improve the life of httpd-dev. Thanks -Madhu -Original