Re: 2.0/2.1 split?

2002-08-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 10:43 AM 8/30/2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 09:54:45AM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: It's time for a 2.1-dev tree, if we want to be playing with new ideas, guys. If they test out clean and don't break compatibility [in any significant way] then they can

RE: 2.0/2.1 split?

2002-08-30 Thread Mladen Turk
-Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2.0/2.1 split? I don't think we have enough -user- community to continue development on any Apache 2.x. UNLESS we reconsider what

Re: 2.0/2.1 split was Re: authn/authz split

2002-08-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 08:43:33AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I dislike backporting things. I think we all need to be on the 'same version.' Heck, we have committers who refuse to use 2.0 (it's not portable). If we go to 2.1, then I want to see 2.0 closed for anything other than

Re: 2.0/2.1 split was Re: authn/authz split

2002-08-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:17:52AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote: No, that's exactly the problem we have with 1.3 right now. There *are* people who are willing to backport fixes and even features to the 1.3 tree, it's only a faction of the group here that *doesn't* want that to happen. I see no

Re: 2.0/2.1 split was Re: authn/authz split

2002-08-30 Thread Brian Pane
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:17:52AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote: No, that's exactly the problem we have with 1.3 right now. There *are* people who are willing to backport fixes and even features to the 1.3 tree, it's only a faction of the group here that *doesn't* want

what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:00:49AM -0700, Brian Pane wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: ... I honestly don't care where this ends up. It just needs to get in to our tree somewhere. The aaa code is broken. It needs to be fixed (and I believe the patches we already have start the process).

RE: 2.0/2.1 split?

2002-08-30 Thread Günter Knauf
Seems that everyone is killing his brains out, but we still have only 6500 upgrades from 1.3.x. One of them is the guy from Germany that is running 2.0.18 for more than a year. sure; and this will probably never change till the Apache2 APIs become somewhat more stabilized. What I mean is that

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Ian Holsman
Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:00:49AM -0700, Brian Pane wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: ... I honestly don't care where this ends up. It just needs to get in to our tree somewhere. The aaa code is broken. It needs to be fixed (and I believe the patches we already have start

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Cliff Woolley
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Ian Holsman wrote: this talk of 2.1/branching etc is very premature. what we need most is a stable tree for a couple of months not spliting out to a 2.1 tree Agreed. --Cliff

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
Ian Holsman wrote: what we need most is a stable tree for a couple of months not spliting out to a 2.1 tree ++1 -- === Jim Jagielski [|] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ A society that

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread rbb
++1. Ryan On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: what we need most is a stable tree for a couple of months not spliting out to a 2.1 tree ++1 -- ___ Ryan Bloom

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Marc Slemko
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Ian Holsman wrote: exactly, this talk of 2.1/branching etc is very premature. if you think your going to destablize the tree, then do your changes on a copy of the file.. and when your done just overwrite the old one. In preference to doing that, just create a

Re: 2.0/2.1 split was Re: authn/authz split

2002-08-30 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't think we have enough of a community to continue active development on two separate (but similar) trees. I don't want to start 2.1 and still see everyone adding features to 2.0. -- justin Why not do a tiny temporary branch just for

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Ian Holsman
Marc Slemko wrote: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Ian Holsman wrote: exactly, this talk of 2.1/branching etc is very premature. if you think your going to destablize the tree, then do your changes on a copy of the file.. and when your done just overwrite the old one. In preference to doing that,

Antw: RE: 2.0/2.1 split?

2002-08-30 Thread Andre Schild
I think this is an important fact which then stops many users from updating to Apache2 because of missing their favorite modules... All platforms which mainly use binary distributions such as Win32 and Netware are affected... As we are using Apache 2.x on Win32 and Linux I'm just affected by

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 02:35:59PM -0700, Ian Holsman wrote: EXACTLY. branch your code, make it work, merge it back. rinse repeat. what could be simpler than this ? as long as your merge is done quickly (1-2 weeks) and is well-defined you should be good to go. Um, in this case, the code

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 04:22 PM 8/30/2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: what we need most is a stable tree for a couple of months not spliting out to a 2.1 tree ++1 So... for the next couple months, we grind new ideas and development to a halt (as things were when I got here in the spring of

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 04:28 PM 8/30/2002, Marc Slemko wrote: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Ian Holsman wrote: exactly, this talk of 2.1/branching etc is very premature. if you think your going to destablize the tree, then do your changes on a copy of the file.. and when your done just overwrite the old one. In

Re: what's the hubbub? (was: Re: 2.0/2.1 split)

2002-08-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: At 04:22 PM 8/30/2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: Ian Holsman wrote: what we need most is a stable tree for a couple of months not spliting out to a 2.1 tree ++1 So... for the next couple months, we grind new ideas and development to a halt (as things

Re: 2.0/2.1 split?

2002-08-30 Thread alex
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:10:27AM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I don't think we have enough -user- community to continue development on any Apache 2.x. UNLESS we reconsider what we are doing wrong. Breaking our users on every bugfix/point release would be a good start. Seeing the