Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado wrote: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The OK ... issue has extended a bit too much and I realize this is really puting a lot of pressure on prooject such as

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 21:53 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended a bit too much and I realize this is really puting a lot of pressure on

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Finn Gruwier Larsen
Alexandro Colorado skrev: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended a bit too much and I realize this is really puting a lot of pressure on prooject such as the marketing list to

Re: [Marketing] MS Office users ready to jump ship

2006-05-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Actually that seems to have been part of the strategy all along: As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.

Re: [Marketing] MS Office users ready to jump ship

2006-05-02 Thread John McCreesh
On Tue, May 2, 2006 10:09, Lars D. Noodén wrote: Actually that seems to have been part of the strategy all along: As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:20:52 -0500, Finn Gruwier Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandro Colorado skrev: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended a bit too much and I realize

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 07:21 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I think the OOo Marketing project truely has a challenge in communicating this issue and pointing end users to good alternatives to Outlook. Finn Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:20:52 -0500, Finn Gruwier Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandro Colorado skrev: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 02 May 2006 07:35:43 -0500, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 07:21 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I think the OOo Marketing project truely has a challenge in communicating this issue and pointing end users to good alternatives to Outlook. Finn Ok so

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open letter explaining the reason why we don't have these might at least prove a stance on the issue. Not doing it will just be failing to communicate. I think the best option is to start working on mockups on how this

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 07:47 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: What happens if we do this and Sun then decides an E-mail client is a good idea and starts the work to incorporate it in version 3? Would be a bit embarrassing. I dont think it will, we would have done our job at the moment.

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 07:53 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open letter explaining the reason why we don't have these might at least prove a stance on the issue. Not doing it will just be failing to communicate. I

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Alexandro Colorado wrote: Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open letter explaining the reason why we don't have these might at least prove a stance on the issue. Not doing it will just be failing to communicate. I think the best option is to start

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA
Alexandro, On Tuesday May 02 2006 08:53, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open letter explaining the reason why we don't have these might at least prove a stance on the issue. Not doing it will just be failing to communicate. I

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Finn Gruwier Larsen
I have long time ago stopped trying to find out what the development priorities for OOo/SO are, who controls them (probably someone at Sun) and how these priorities are matched against any analysis of market demands (if any such analysis are ever made). There is no bitterness in this - it's

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Steven Shelton
Alexandro Colorado wrote: For the past few weeks there has been a very big discussion about reasons and what and why not does OOo doesn't come with a PIM. The issue has extended a bit too much and I realize this is really puting a lot of pressure on prooject such as the marketing list to

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Finn Gruwier Larsen
Steven Shelton skrev: For that matter, it should be a relatively simple matter to put a PIM into OOo: just download the Mozilla Thunderbird code, tweak it a bit to add the OOo graphics and look and feel, and badda-boom, badda-bing, you got yourselves a simple PIM/email client. IIRC, Mozilla's

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA
Alexandro, I've started the following page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Open_Letter_Re:_OOo_PIM It includes a (very, very) rough outline of a letter to address the many requests for a PIM. I'll keep working on it, but it is going to take me some time to go back through the many

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jeff, Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA wrote: Alexandro, I've started the following page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Open_Letter_Re:_OOo_PIM Good to see your start, Jeff. In the mean time I was working on this:

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote: The only thing we do know, ist that OOo 2.x doesn't have one. So giving good info for people standing up with their hands up in the air 'what to do now' is very usefull. Pls see this for a start: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing--ToDo#Marketing_Material

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Cristian Driga
Hi Cor, Jeffrey, all, Cor Nouws wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: The only thing we do know, ist that OOo 2.x doesn't have one. So giving good info for people standing up with their hands up in the air 'what to do now' is very usefull. Pls see this for a start:

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 02 May 2006 08:23:56 -0500, Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandro, On Tuesday May 02 2006 08:53, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Ok so the next step is how do we comunicate. I think puting an open letter explaining the reason why we don't have these might at least

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 02 May 2006 08:28:06 -0500, Steven Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandro Colorado wrote: Along the lines of the What's the roadmap because we want to spread accurate information query, I remember a year or two ago when this topic came up there was a great deal of movement to

Re: [Marketing] Issue about PIM on OOo

2006-05-02 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, 02 May 2006 09:08:45 -0500, Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandro, I've started the following page: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Open_Letter_Re:_OOo_PIM It includes a (very, very) rough outline of a letter to address the many requests for a PIM.

Re: [Marketing] Getting legal. Knowing the punishments by country.

2006-05-02 Thread Cristian Driga
Hi Finn, Finn Gruwier Larsen wrote: Violation of the Danish law of copyright can result in prison in up to one year. People who can read Danish can find further information here: http://www.antipirat.dk/ Thanks for looking it up! Best, Cristian Finn

Re: [Marketing] Microsoft knows Windows and Office can't deliver growth

2006-05-02 Thread Chad Smith
Digg it - http://digg.com/software/Microsoft_knows_Windows_and_Office_won_t_grow_their_company On 5/2/06, Cristian Driga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (2 days old but...) Microsoft knows Windows and Office can't deliver growth: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4077/106/ [...]however, Office

[Marketing] I'm speaking about OOo at Westchester (NY) PC User's Group

2006-05-02 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hi all, I'm giving a talk to the Westchester PC User's Group about OpenOffice on Thursday, May 4 at 7:00pm local time. (Westchester is the county just north of New York City.) I'm on the front page of their website: http://www.wpcug.org/ After the talk (or before, if I am organized), I'll

Re: [Marketing] Get Legal on Digg

2006-05-02 Thread J David Eisenberg
On Wed, 3 May 2006, Simon Phipps wrote: I've posted a Digg for the Get Legal campaign; you may wish to go Digg it to get it up into the front page... http://digg.com/software/_Get_Legal_-_OpenOffice.Org_Spins_Microsoft_FUD S. Looks great. One thing about the why.openoffice.org page