Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Ian
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 23:43 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: you are probably right. In case of FOSDEM, we don't plan to produce CD's or DVD's. Most people have OOo anyway and a CD is fast outdated. In Europe most people are in the situation t have a fast internet connection and can easily

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi, 2010/1/7 Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com: On 1/7/10 11:17 PM, Ian wrote: Just for info, when we were at NEA in California a few years back, we tried selling OOo discs to see if we could make a bit of money to contribute o expenses. We found that when the price was $1 and explained

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, You should not give away this possibility of refinancing so quick. We also usually offer a CD/DVD at the annual CeBit event in Hannover, asking for a donation of EUR 5,- for the german OOoDeV-association. In 90% the asking people are giving this with pleasure. Please ask Florian about the

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Jürgen, For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. to me, it looks ok. Who did you take into account? According to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010#Team we

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
On 1/8/10 10:32 AM, Ian wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 23:43 +0100, Juergen Schmidt wrote: you are probably right. In case of FOSDEM, we don't plan to produce CD's or DVD's. Most people have OOo anyway and a CD is fast outdated. In Europe most people are in the situation t have a fast internet

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
On 1/8/10 11:50 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Jürgen, For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. to me, it looks ok. Who did you take into account? According to

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Alexandro, FSF is pretty successful with this scheme same as other foundations like Mozilla. A very old proposal I had for OOo Marketing (almost 2 years ago) is to build a store for OOo. Mozilla generates around 2 million dollars a year with theirs. please put it on the agenda (in the

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, well i am happy with this. But when i have asked initially for a global conference budget it was denied and people wanted a more detailed funding request. That's the reason why i request now exactly the money we need so far. By the way i have already pre financed some material by myself ;-)

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
On 1/8/10 11:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On 1/8/10, Florian Effenbergerflo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi Jürgen, For this reason i would like to request a funding of ~650 Euro from the marketing budget for stand crew members to cover their travel expenses. to me, it looks ok. Who did

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi, 2010/1/6 Rosana Ardila Biela rosana.ard...@sun.com: I would like to ask for funding for a visual identity meeting in Hamburg. Florian Effenberger and Bernhard Dippold will be in the Sun office on the 12th and 13th January and we will discuss Bernhard's idea of a new Branding project. As

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I dont want to be the party pooper but as a person who deal with many people everyday on different continents I would rather have a tinychat on that topic and buy everyone a good webcam/mic, save on fair and also expand this meeting to a series of meetings that we can keep a schedule on. Oh and

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
By the way I am not trying to block this meeting, but maybe we should think more seriously about this for the future meetups. On 1/8/10, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: I dont want to be the party pooper but as a person who deal with many people everyday on different continents I

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget on transportation in this particular

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
On 1/8/10 1:46 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Is much cheaper to improve the [online] communication up to become good enough than to spend most of the budget on transportation and accommodations. I agree very much with that and vote no, also. I'm not seeing a case for using the budget

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Lars Nooden
Florian Effenberger wrote: ... I guess we're better off with other gimmicks like t-shirts and asking for donations. :-) T-shirts would be good, I'd like one myself, but only if the risk is manageable and it can be avoided to tie too much funding up in inventory. Stickers might be convenient,

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Lars, - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development goals for 2010, should be a voice infrastructure to go with the mailing list infrastructure. we have found a

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Lars, T-shirts would be good, I'd like one myself, but only if the risk is manageable and it can be avoided to tie too much funding up in inventory. given that CeBIT is a month later, and we usually can sell shirts there, the risk is quite low, I guess. Florian

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Lars Nooden
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Lars, - People who had been invited to this meeting and can not attend are able to join via voice conferencing and/or Skype. Skype =! VoIP. One of the marketing or development goals for 2010, should be a voice infrastructure to go with the mailing list

Re: Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Gianvittorio
Florian, FYI it doesn't matter. Skype can call the conferencing system as well. It is true that Skype is FREE and can provide the ability to do video conferencing. Just my $0.02, Gian On Fri 08/01/10 14:12 , Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org sent: Hi Lars, - People who had been

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, That would be dial-in conferencing not generic voice conferencing. SIP, or another open standard, is what is needed to ensure open access to the conferencing. you know how very well SIP *not* works behind NAT or firewalls? SIP probably is the worst way of phone conferencing at all,

[marketing] Virtual conferencing system Was: [Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg]

2010-01-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I rather move the conversation to a new thread, about the discussion on face to face vs virtual meetings. Is easy to say that face to face is better, is harder to justify who should be involved into this face to face and why. Does his tittle makes him eligible just because he is the lead, or his

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, seems that this topic is quite controversial... :-) Luckily, I didn't book anything yet. As time runs out for travel arrangements, I'd love to hear some more opinions on it from the folks on this list. Should the majority be against the trip/funding, I will not attend, as I can't cover

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I will +1 up it, but also request recordings (audio or video) on the meeting, so would be great to hold on the german for a minute Simple Smartphone with a record application should be enough. On 1/8/10, Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi, seems that this topic is quite

Re: [marketing] Virtual conferencing system Was: [Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg]

2010-01-08 Thread Christine Louise Beems
I think you raise excellent points, Alexandro and I understand Florian's perspective, too. And while it seems to me that both of you (and all of us) are seeking to serve the same objective (ie: wise stewardship of community resources) in terms of 'how expensive is expensive' I humbly suggest that

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Juergen Schmidt
On 1/8/10 5:55 PM, Lars Nooden wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: T-shirts would be good, I'd like one myself, but only if the risk is manageable and it can be avoided to tie too much funding up in inventory. given that CeBIT is a month later, and we usually can sell shirts there, the risk is

Re: [marketing] Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg

2010-01-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Florian Effenberger wrote (08-01-10 16:11) Hi Alexandro, I will +1 up it, but also request recordings (audio or video) on the meeting, so would be great to hold on the german for a minute don't get me wrong - this wasn't meant to be mean. :-) The marketing budget is not my money, it is for

Re: [marketing] funding request for stand crew FOSDEM 2010

2010-01-08 Thread Lars Nooden
Juergen Schmidt wrote: for the FOSDEM this is already done and the production is ongoing because the request for the shirts was last year before Christmas. And it was for my understanding already approved. Excellent. What kind of lead time would another run need, if needed? The sales at

Re: [marketing] marketing phone conferences

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, I set up a little Doodle poll with various dates that would work for me. I expect the marketing call to last between 30 and 60 minutes, and although I won't invite the press for this one, everyone who's willing to join is invited, so we won't discuss too confidential things. :-) Please,

Re: [marketing] countdown to 10 year celebration

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Lars, Also, 10/10/10 will be on this year's calendar, just a few days before the official 10-year event. good point! This might be a nice start for the final countdown :-) Let's keep the idea in mind... Florian - To

Re: [marketing] Virtual conferencing system Was: [Funding request for a Visual Identity meeting in Hamburg]

2010-01-08 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, will reply to the mail later on -- but just got an e-mail by the folks from talkyoo that conference rooms will cost from now on. We should be able to make the marketing phone conference nontheless, because they wrote as early adopter I will be able to use the service for free for some