Arash Rajaeeyan schrieb:
and may be thats because shale has chosen a different approach?
No...
Actually I think the fusion conversation system is one level lower than
shale dialog.
While shale dialog basically follows the approach - configuration of
dialog scopes, have something which can keep
On 3/2/07, Werner Punz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arash Rajaeeyan schrieb:
and may be thats because shale has chosen a different approach?
No...
Actually I think the fusion conversation system is one level lower than
shale dialog.
While shale dialog basically follows the approach -
Hi Craig!
One thing I've wondered as I've watched the fusion stuff go by ... in
an architecture that is so heavily based on Spring 2 already, why
wasn't Spring Web Flow used?
Don't know much about SWF, but we had a meeting with Jürgen Höller from
interface21 where he helped designing the
Well...
don't lets discuss that much about why another thing...
Perhaps all these existing techniques can get their profit from the
other one and can also give valuable feedback to web beans / jsr 299.
I am happy that *Fusion* (or Kleber) has no dependency to WebFlow. I
would prefer a closer
Hi Craig!
That's where I don't understand Fusion enough to comment ... it
originally appeared to me that the key value add was allocating the
entity manager on the way in (when you created the conversation), and
cleaning up afterwards when the conversation ended.
Yes, this is one of the things
Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
Well...
don't lets discuss that much about why another thing...
Perhaps all these existing techniques can get their profit from the
other one and can also give valuable feedback to web beans / jsr 299.
I am happy that *Fusion* (or Kleber) has no dependency to
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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Spiegl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:28 PM
To: MyFaces Development
Subject: Re: MyFaces Fusion Naming
another one
Hi !
Just out of curiosity, why is this part of MyFaces as opposed to Shale. It
sounds more like something that belongs there...
We developed it under the MyFaces umbrella during the last months, we
started with a tag base way until we reached the spring based solution
we have now.
So, thats
Might be significant that two people have asked this question so far :-)
On 3/1/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi !
Just out of curiosity, why is this part of MyFaces as opposed to Shale. It
sounds more like something that belongs there...
We developed it under the MyFaces
and may be thats because shale has chosen a different approach?
On 3/2/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi !
Just out of curiosity, why is this part of MyFaces as opposed to Shale.
It
sounds more like something that belongs there...
We developed it under the MyFaces umbrella
I wonder how Kleber sounds for English native speakers?
regards,
Martin
On 2/27/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 for
Apache MyFaces Kleber
On 2/27/07, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose Chasb
Chasb means Glue in my native language, we can use other
same like glue sounds to me ...
On 2/28/07, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder how Kleber sounds for English native speakers?
regards,
Martin
On 2/27/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 for
Apache MyFaces Kleber
On 2/27/07, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL
Hey,
I wonder how Kleber sounds for English native speakers?
I bet it sounds horrible . I hope so :-)
Ciao,
Mario
Well, at times a word means something different in another language,
or sounds like a different word?
regards,
Martin
On 2/28/07, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
same like glue sounds to me ...
On 2/28/07, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder how Kleber sounds
Hi!
Ok, here we go.
This is a poll where I hope that we can sort out the most of the names
below (shouldn't be that hard ;-), afterwards I hope we are stripped
down to max 4 names where we can start a vote then.
Thanks for your time!
Just remove the names you don't like, I'll try to sum up
My favorites.
* Apache MyFaces Connections
* Apache MyFaces Mergence
* Apache MyFaces Aurora
* Apache MyFaces Concerto
* Apache MyFaces ease
* Apache MyFaces Snug
* Apache MyFaces Custos
* Apache MyFaces Simplex
* Apache MyFaces Memento
* Apache MyFaces Alta
* Apache MyFaces
my poll:
- Kleber
- Chasb
- Simplex
- Platypus
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
Ok, here we go.
This is a poll where I hope that we can sort out the most of the names
below (shouldn't be that hard ;-), afterwards I hope we are stripped
down to max 4 names
Kleber
On 2/28/07, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my poll:
Kleber
Chasb
Simplex
Platypus
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
Ok, here we go.
This is a poll where I hope that we can sort out the most of the names
below (shouldn't be that hard ;-),
Mario,
Please include a description of Fusion on the wiki page [1]. With out
a good understanding on what the product is, it is hard to name it.
Paul Spencer
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ApacheMyFacesFusion
Mario Ivankovits wrote:
Hi!
Ok, here we go.
This is a poll where I hope
Hi Paul!
Please include a description of Fusion on the wiki page [1]. With
out a good understanding on what the product is, it is hard to name it.
Done, I hope I managed to express things sufficient.
Ciao,
Mario
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/ApacheMyFacesFusion
Thanks, Now I know what it is.
Paul Spencer
Mario Ivankovits wrote:
Hi Paul!
Please include a description of Fusion on the wiki page [1]. With
out a good understanding on what the product is, it is hard to name it.
Done, I hope I managed to express things sufficient.
Ciao,
Mario
[1]
It probably sounds like Clever.
It looks like Keebler (a cookie/cracker manufacturer).
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
I wonder how Kleber sounds for English native speakers?
I bet it sounds horrible . I hope so :-)
Ciao,
Mario
Mike Kienenberger schrieb:
It probably sounds like Clever.
Hmmm I start to like it :-)
kleber
simplex
salida
Ok, then I like it, and it gets my vote (on the other thread).
regards,
Martin
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Kienenberger schrieb:
It probably sounds like Clever.
Hmmm I start to like it :-)
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I like a lot of the names, but Apache MyFaces Kleber is doing exactly
what the word means in German ;)
regards,
Martin
On 2/28/07, Paul Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Now I know what it is.
Paul Spencer
Mario Ivankovits wrote:
Hi Paul!
Please include a description of Fusion on
Manfred Geiler wrote:
Apache MyFaces Orchestra?
--Manfred
I like the sound of this for a product.
I agree though, that something along the lines of glue would be very
intuitive for this particular subproject. btw, Kleber will draw blank
stares from us english native-speakers. :D
Kleber
On 2/28/07, Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like a lot of the names, but Apache MyFaces Kleber is doing exactly
what the word means in German ;)
regards,
Martin
On 2/28/07, Paul Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Now I know what it is.
Paul Spencer
Mario
I know it is not on the list but how about Apache MyFaces Repartee.
The definition [1] is similar to what the product does.
[1] http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/repartee
Paul Spencer
Paul Spencer wrote:
Thanks, Now I know what it is.
Paul Spencer
Mario Ivankovits wrote:
Hi Paul!
Please
-Original Message-
From: Mike Kienenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:21 AM
To: MyFaces Development
Subject: Re: MyFaces Fusion Naming
It probably sounds like Clever.
It looks like Keebler (a cookie/cracker manufacturer).
On 2/28/07, Mario
OK, nix my previous vote.
I just added the following to the JIRA:
The United States of MyFaces (joke)
Apache MyFaces States
Apache MyFaces StateConverse
Apache MyFaces Converse
Apache MyFaces Talk
Apache MyFaces StateOrchestra
Apache MyFaces Music
Apache MyFaces Debate
Apache MyFaces
2 more ...
Apache MyFaces Cement
Apache MyFaces Plaster
On 2/28/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, nix my previous vote.
I just added the following to the JIRA:
The United States of MyFaces (joke)
Apache MyFaces States
Apache MyFaces StateConverse
Apache MyFaces Converse
I like em :D
Thomas Spiegl wrote:
2 more ...
Apache MyFaces Cement
Apache MyFaces Plaster
On 2/28/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, nix my previous vote.
I just added the following to the JIRA:
The United States of MyFaces (joke)
Apache MyFaces States
Apache MyFaces
I would avoid any nouns associated with 'heavy', I think it's contradictory to
what Fusion is attempting to do.
Stick to:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/fusion
2 more ...
Apache MyFaces Cement
Apache MyFaces Plaster
On 2/28/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, nix my
In that case, how about:
Apache Myfaces Spider
...as in Spider Webs... obviously, can't use web itself :P
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would avoid any nouns associated with 'heavy', I think it's contradictory to
what Fusion is attempting to do.
Stick to:
Hi Jeff!
Apache Myfaces Spider
I like it, though the first hit in google with software spider results
in http://www.spider-software.de/
Ciao,
Mario
Glad you liked it. Yeah I figured it would be pretty common name, but at
least not as bad as Spyder! (taken by both SP ETF fund and major winter
sports gear company)
Anyway it's a cool name, but probably too common
Mario Ivankovits wrote:
Hi Jeff!
Apache Myfaces Spider
I like it, though
another one ...
Apache MyFaces Edge
On 2/28/07, Jeff Bischoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad you liked it. Yeah I figured it would be pretty common name, but at
least not as bad as Spyder! (taken by both SP ETF fund and major winter
sports gear company)
Anyway it's a cool name, but probably
Hi!
Ok, I'll start the naming question now.
My personal favorit for the new library still is MyFaces Fusion, for
what I have seen on the Internet and the United States Patent and
Trademark Office there is already a oracle product called Oracle
Fusion, though, they trademarked the whole phrase.
So from MY legal point of view MyFaces Fusion is safe as long as we
assure that the official name of the library contains the name MyFaces too.
quick note, that is should be Apache MyFaces Fusion instead of
just MyFaces Fusion
What do you think?
Ciao,
Mario
--
Matthias Wessendorf
I personally like fusion
Mario Ivankovits schrieb:
Hi!
Ok, I'll start the naming question now.
My personal favorit for the new library still is MyFaces Fusion, for
what I have seen on the Internet and the United States Patent and
Trademark Office there is already a oracle product called
Hi Matthias!
So from MY legal point of view MyFaces Fusion is safe as long as we
assure that the official name of the library contains the name
MyFaces too.
quick note, that is should be Apache MyFaces Fusion instead of
just MyFaces Fusion
Right, thanks for the pointer!
Ciao,
Mario
Mario Ivankovits schrieb:
Hi Matthias!
So from MY legal point of view MyFaces Fusion is safe as long as we
assure that the official name of the library contains the name
MyFaces too.
quick note, that is should be Apache MyFaces Fusion instead of
just MyFaces Fusion
Right, thanks for the
Apache MyFaces Sesams ? :-)
On 2/27/07, Werner Punz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario Ivankovits schrieb:
Hi Matthias!
So from MY legal point of view MyFaces Fusion is safe as long as we
assure that the official name of the library contains the name
MyFaces too.
quick note, that is should be
Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
Apache MyFaces Sesams ? :-)
Apache Vista :-D
Werner Punz schrieb:
Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
Apache MyFaces Sesams ? :-)
Apache Vista :-D
Now a serious one
Apache MyFaces Salida
Now a serious one
Apache MyFaces Salida
I like the spanish style - one more: Apache MyFaces Defender
In Spanish its something like to hold/to know etc
Even in English we can argue we defend against detached objects ;-)
Ciao,
Mario
Now a serious one
Apache MyFaces Salida
I like that one
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http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
+ 1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
- 2 : Apache MyFaces Defender (awful!)
+0 : Apache MyFaces Salida (e...)
--
Grant Smith
There's no way that Fusion as a web development framework is going
to pass legal. It doesn't matter if you call it Fusion, MyFaces
Fusion, or Apache Myfaces Fusion. Even if it could (and it can't),
why would you want to develop product that would be confused with any
of the other fusion web
+1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
-0.9 : Apache MyFaces Salida
-1 : Apache MyFaces Defender
-1 : Apache MyFaces Sesams
On 2/27/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ 1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
- 2 : Apache MyFaces Defender (awful!)
+0 : Apache MyFaces Salida (e...)
--
Grant Smith
Ok, after reading Mikes mail and looking at these sites
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/
http://www.netobjects.com/index.html
I must revert my previous vote:
-1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
-1 : Apache MyFaces Defender
-0.9 : Apache MyFaces Salida
-0.9 : Apache MyFaces Sesams
What about
On 2/27/07, Manfred Geiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, after reading Mikes mail and looking at these sites
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/
http://www.netobjects.com/index.html
I must revert my previous vote:
there is also a Fusion from Oracle.
-1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
-1 :
Hi Manfred!
What about Apache MyFaces Seamless ?!
I don't think its a good idea to use anything which sounds like Seam.
Seam aims to be much more than I have in mind for Fusion now.
See, they integrated stuff to create PDFs lately.
I don't wont to suggest - by using nearly the same name - that
What about Apache MyFaces Seamless ?!
+1
--Manfred
On 2/27/07, Manfred Geiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1: Apache MyFaces Fusion
-0.9 : Apache MyFaces Salida
-1 : Apache MyFaces Defender
-1 : Apache MyFaces Sesams
On 2/27/07, Grant Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ 1: Apache
Ok here are my serious suggestions:
* Apache MyFaces Mergence
* Apache MyFaces Accretion
* Apache MyFaces Collective
I have neither checked for legal issues nor do I know how these names
sound for native speakers. But I like project names that are not only
names but also describe the idea.
What about something completely different:
Apache MyFaces Aurora
Positive thing, no? Seriously.
Ciao,
Mario
Apache Faces Concerto anyone?
Zubin.
On 2/27/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about something completely different:
Apache MyFaces Aurora
Positive thing, no? Seriously.
Ciao,
Mario
Apache MyFaces Orchestra?
--Manfred
On 2/27/07, Zubin Wadia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apache Faces Concerto anyone?
Zubin.
On 2/27/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about something completely different:
Apache MyFaces Aurora
Positive thing, no? Seriously.
Ciao,
guys,
let's collect these names in a jira task.
eclipse did that in the past for one for their naming issues and the
Trinidad podling did it as well.
Also this will give users a change to put in their ideas as well
-M
On 2/27/07, Manfred Geiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apache MyFaces
I'd suggest Maestro since it focuses on different aspects like orm, view
and etc.
My other suggestion will be Lamborghini but unfortunately it's taken by a
company some time ago:)
Cheers,
Cagatay
On 2/27/07, Manfred Geiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apache MyFaces Orchestra?
--Manfred
On
well...
these aren't that easy to use...
please consider registered names as a no
:-)
On 2/27/07, Cagatay Civici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd suggest Maestro since it focuses on different aspects like orm, view
and etc.
My other suggestion will be Lamborghini but unfortunately it's taken by a
It's up to you, but I'd think using a wiki page would be far easier to manage.
You can propose names, and then group them as they're added:
- current contenders
- names eliminated because
On 2/27/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
let's collect these names in a jira
Dennis Byrne schrieb:
What about Apache MyFaces Seamless ?!
+1
Definite -1 on that, I do not want to get into a fight with the jboss
guys over such a name
mario is right, even if we cover certain common grounds, seam has an
entirely different scope. After all we have a somewhat
Mike,
It's up to you, but I'd think using a wiki page would be far easier to
manage.
You can propose names, and then group them as they're added:
I thought that too, and I'll do so tomorrow, for now letz use the jira
just to collect the names without any bias.
I'll close the jira (maybe
This was definitely no serious suggestion. Of course. Therefore the smiley.
Sorry if I did not state this clear enough.
Of course we all have no interest in any (malicious) allusion [is
innuendo a better word?].
Although perhaps every open source community should have enough humor
to bear such
I propose Chasb
Chasb means Glue in my native language, we can use other translations of
glue like
colle
colla
Kleber
lijm
κόλλα
клей
colagem
pegamento
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike,
It's up to you, but I'd think using a wiki page would be far easier to
manage.
+1 for
Apache MyFaces Kleber
On 2/27/07, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose Chasb
Chasb means Glue in my native language, we can use other translations of
glue like
colle
colla
Kleber
lijm
κόλλα
клей
colagem
pegamento
On 2/28/07, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
let's collect these names in a jira task.
here we go:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-1546
Ciao,
Mario
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