Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2007-01-07 Thread Gary VanMatre
From: Martin Marinschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Craig, Facelets supports a setPropertyActionListener as well - if Clay does, I can't say. The current Clay JSF 1.2 support is limited to the things that are not 1.2 specific. As you know, the new SetPropertyActionListener uses the

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-20 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiousity, where did they add it? I don't see any reference to updateActionListener in 1.2. it is named setPropertyActionListener in the spec and in trinidad setActinListener Thanks ... I had not recalled that from

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-20 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is this similar to (or identical to) your idea for a preupdate() method in Shale's ViewController (SHALE-338)? If so, I still like the idea ... just need to see the follow through :-). :) I am on it, but got blocked by

spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi! Our plan was to implicit start a conversation as soon as a conversation been will be created through spring. Well, to know which conversationContext we are currently working in (this context is required for multiple window awareness) we have to add a request parameter to every rendered url.

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Arash Rajaeeyan
2) standardize the backing-bean concept (aka ViewController) Technically spoken: We have a PhaseListener which try to lookup a bean using a name derived from the viewId (like shale's ViewController). then what will happen to users who use Seam or future WebBean with MyFaces? as you may know

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
then what will happen to users who use Seam or future WebBean with MyFaces? as you may know seam also has its own phase listener and bean managment facility. webbeans is not ready for now. regarding seam, I think that this feature is not mandatory, sorta optional extension. perhaps jsf itself

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread jacob
how's JSF 1.2 coming along btw? Hi! as you may know seam also has its own phase listener and bean managment facility. Having a phase listener does not necessarily mean we break the JSF lifecycle or something else. can seam users also continue using myfaces? definitely: Yes! MyFaces JSF Impl

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi Jacob! how's JSF 1.2 coming along btw? What do you mean? As far as I can see JSF 1.2. do not introduce any new (flash or conversation) scope. So (IMHO) our solution works with JSF 1.2 too. If you mean how far our (MyFaces) JSF 1.2 implementation is ... well ... then I have to say there

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread jacob
Oh, thanks! Hi Jacob! how's JSF 1.2 coming along btw? What do you mean? As far as I can see JSF 1.2. do not introduce any new (flash or conversation) scope. So (IMHO) our solution works with JSF 1.2 too. If you mean how far our (MyFaces) JSF 1.2 implementation is ... well ... then I have

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Arash Rajaeeyan
Hi Since jacob is also here, it is a long time that some components like tree don't work well with facelets, is resolving the issues on the plan? On 12/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, thanks! Hi Jacob! how's JSF 1.2 coming along btw? What do you mean? As far as I can

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
at least here is a famous blog, which shows the usage of tree2 and facelets (with ajax4jsf) On 12/19/06, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Since jacob is also here, it is a long time that some components like tree don't work well with facelets, is resolving the issues on the plan?

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
http://www.jroller.com/page/plainoldweblog?entry=use_tomahawk_tree2_and_ajax4jsf On 12/19/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at least here is a famous blog, which shows the usage of tree2 and facelets (with ajax4jsf) On 12/19/06, Arash Rajaeeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Arash Rajaeeyan
Thanx Matthias, very useful link, but I meant the old tree component not tree2, which people who need a tree table should still use it (according to myfaces web site) On 12/19/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Our plan was to implicit start a conversation as soon as a conversation been will be created through spring. Well, to know which conversationContext we are currently working in (this context is required for multiple window awareness)

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi Craig! One of the architectural approaches that MyFaces developers seem to do pretty often, even when they don't have to, is think of everything as needing a component. Hehe, yes indeed. But I'll try to move away from such approaches, the Spring Conversation integration should no longer need

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread jacob
I might be biased too from the Seam side, but writing this, even in small steps may grow into a monster :-) I can see committing to only an implicit flash scope (90% of the cases-- and very useful), but pursuing full conversation management and transactions without an actual separate project

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Mario Ivankovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Craig! One of the architectural approaches that MyFaces developers seem to do pretty often, even when they don't have to, is think of everything as needing a component. Hehe, yes indeed. But I'll try to move away from such approaches,

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Mario Ivankovits
Hi Jacob! I might be biased too from the Seam side, but writing this, even in small steps may grow into a monster :-) Yep, and thats why we have no plans to do so ... and there are numerous implementations out there dealing with it, I don't plan to gather new enemies ;-) I can see

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Werner Punz
Craig McClanahan schrieb: One of the architectural approaches that MyFaces developers seem to do pretty often, even when they don't have to, is think of everything as needing a component. To me, this involves the person building the view in decisions that really belong to the person working

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Well, sometimes somethings work well, even the design is not that best. Regard the separation, I think that is true for the updateActionListener as well. I love that guy, Trinidad has a similar and now the spec folks saw what's useful und added it Just my $0.02 -M On 12/20/06, Werner Punz

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/19/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, sometimes somethings work well, even the design is not that best. Regard the separation, I think that is true for the updateActionListener as well. I love that guy, Trinidad has a similar and now the spec folks saw what's useful

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Just out of curiousity, where did they add it? I don't see any reference to updateActionListener in 1.2. it is named setPropertyActionListener in the spec and in trinidad setActinListener -M By the way, is this similar to (or identical to) your idea for a preupdate() method in Shale's

Re: spring conversation start (@manfred)

2006-12-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
By the way, is this similar to (or identical to) your idea for a preupdate() method in Shale's ViewController (SHALE-338)? If so, I still like the idea ... just need to see the follow through :-). :) I am on it, but got blocked by other *tasks* Stay tuned -M Craig Just my $0.02 -M On