I will print this and then hang it here for all to see.
Thanks for this, Wade.
On 14/10/17 15:51, Wade Chandler wrote:
Posting on top here. Regardless of an NB 9 release date, I think 2 things
can be huge factors.
1) That not everything we give users comes from Apache NetBeans, but
instead we
On Oct 13, 2017 05:59, "Neil C Smith" wrote:
In particular, it's no
secret I think JavaFX is a dead-end. I'm not sure I foresee a time when
either project moves UI to JavaFX - maybe I'm wrong.
I have been pondering this as well, but I think that is for old projects
like both IntelliJ and NB, b
Posting on top here. Regardless of an NB 9 release date, I think 2 things
can be huge factors.
1) That not everything we give users comes from Apache NetBeans, but
instead we make it super easy to link to projects build artifacts from the
idea of the plugin center. IMO, Visual Studio Code is rocki
@Antonio - The second one. NB already has a graphing tool similar to the
first link.
@Illya - Yes I do use maven for builds.
The build helper maven plugin's add-source goal is exactly what we've been
using.
We were generating sources to say "${project.build.directory}/superplugin"
and setting that
Hi Martin,
> Also, what if you generate sources with a maven plugin into a folder
> different from "/target/generated-sources/" ?
Do you use Maven to perform actual builds?
If yes, how standard Maven plugins are configured to access those sources?
> As always - other IDEs handle it with no prob
Hi Martin,
Thanks for your feedback. Good to know you’re still using NetBeans. By
“Eclipse’s dependency tree tool” what do you mean? Something like [1] or like
[2]?
Should we move these kind of emails to the user list?
Thanks,
Antonio
[1]
https://books.sonatype.com/m2eclipse-book/reference/f
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Martin Dindoffer
wrote:
> Sure, I was just trying to explain myself, and also the opinions of others
> around me. Of course Netbeans has many positives, otherwise I wouldn't use
> it. But we need to take a sober realistic look at it if we want to move it
> forwar
Sure, I was just trying to explain myself, and also the opinions of others
around me. Of course Netbeans has many positives, otherwise I wouldn't use
it. But we need to take a sober realistic look at it if we want to move it
forward and make it a top notch IDE it once was.
I actually have to endur
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 at 22:10, Martin Dindoffer wrote:
> Maven, just like everything else, lacks some of the refinements that can be
> found in other IDEs.
Other IDEs let you point to any folder containing a POM and let you open it
without any import process? Without adding any IDE-specific file
Maven, just like everything else, lacks some of the refinements that can be
found in other IDEs.
For example, you can't "ctrl+click" through the remote parent references in
the poms.
And that's a pita in large projects where parents are often only in some
remote repos.
Also, what if you generate
The netbeans-maven integration is waaa...aay better than what I found in
eclipse and intellij. Maven projects are basically native netbeans projects -
no extra files necessary. Unless you want to do something in your IDE that you
don't want to write in pom.xml, I guess...
On Friday, 13 October
Yeah a notification would be great.
Thanks Emilian
Martin
2017-10-13 16:15 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold :
> I'll look into caching and push an update to the plugin, hopefully
> this month. Should I ping you when I have new binaries?
>
> I assume it might not be only about the size, but about the sudde
I'll look into caching and push an update to the plugin, hopefully
this month. Should I ping you when I have new binaries?
I assume it might not be only about the size, but about the sudden
burst of requests during the initial load.
--emi
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Martin Dindoffer wrote
@Emilian Bold - Well I am working on a quite large multimodule project.
So that could be it. The pom file I've been working on during the
exceptions was quite small with only a few dependencies.
However, it has a few "type:pom,scope:import" dependencies too, so that may
inflate the number of reques
er Mailing lists. Often People uses what is new and fancy, yeah that
>> is not the Apache way but we should not force that People that they Need
>> this stuff.
>>
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pache way but we should not force that People that they Need
> this stuff.
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> On Fr
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
> BTW, will all the issues at netbeans.org be migrated to JIRA?
>
There are various schools of thought on this question.
We could move all issues over.
Many of the issues a
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:35 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> We could move all issues over.
>
> Many of the issues are old or out of date or irrelevant, i.e., for features
> that are no longer there, etc. It would be a massive task for someone to,
> once the
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>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Antonio Vieiro
> wrote:
>
> >
> > BTW, will all the issues at netbeans.org be migrated to JIRA?
>
: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com]
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
> BTW, will all the issues at netbeans.org be migrated t
Just my 5 centsBernd
Original message From: Geertjan Wielenga
Date: 10/13/17 06:35 (GMT-06:00) To:
dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: NetBeans 9 release date
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
> BTW, will all the issues at netbeans.or
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>
> BTW, will all the issues at netbeans.org be migrated to JIRA?
>
There are various schools of thought on this question.
We could move all issues over.
Many of the issues are old or out of date or irrelevant, i.e., for features
that are
> El 13 oct 2017, a las 12:41, Martin Dindoffer escribió:
>
>> What are those small things? Providing a list of those small things, for
>> others to implement, is precisely the very significant role that you can
>> play in this project.
>
> Hi there, fellow Java developer here.
Hi Martin, than
> For the specific issue you mention -- would this help:
> https://jaxenter.com/netbeans/keep-netbeans-nimble-with-
maven-remote-search
> I.e., if this were to be integrated into Apache NetBeans, I'm sure Emilian
> would be interested in doing that, would that solve the problem?
I will try that a
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:00 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I think it would be great to have Darcula be one of the standard look and
> feels in NetBeans, have contacted the plugin author about this, though also
> probably there'll be licensing concerns and
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Antonio wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/17 10:49, Peter Steele wrote:
>
>> The Apache integration should be very prominent on the main page, it
>> should
>> link to all the relevant Apache pages and should ask for volunteers etc.
>> The Apache wiki is ok, but most people k
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Martin Dindoffer
wrote:
>
> * Maven integration is bad. Compared to competition it is slow, the
> periodic indexing is painful. The dependency graph generator is unusable on
> large projects.
>
That's an interesting observation because for most people a key rea
> What are those small things? Providing a list of those small things, for
> others to implement, is precisely the very significant role that you can
> play in this project.
Hi there, fellow Java developer here.
The thing is, as others have pointed out, Netbeans is quite behind other
major IDEs an
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Peter Steele wrote:
> >Have you tried this plugin:
> >plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/62424/darcula-laf-for-netbeans
> >
> >Would be great to have that as part of Apache NetBeans.
>
> I use this, it's definitely the best look and feel that you can choose
> from. But
>Have you tried this plugin:
>plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/62424/darcula-laf-for-netbeans
>
>Would be great to have that as part of Apache NetBeans.
I use this, it's definitely the best look and feel that you can choose
from. But the font used is something that puts me off.
On 13 Oct 2017 10:18,
And I think this is a big Topic, the HTML, js community, because this is the
fastests growing community with lots of new Frameworks etc.
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On 13/10/17 11:24, Christian Lenz wrote:
The best IDE for Android is coming from Google and called Android Studio, which
is based on Intellij 😉. https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html I think
they canceled the Support for the plugin for eclipse, for doing this.
Yes, I know, but "be
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On 13/10/17 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
>> ...Should NetBeans support Apache Spark? Tomcat? The Go programming
>> language? R? Whatever? Ju
PS: See
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/on+top+of+NetBeans for
a list, this is the updated version, with more info being added, of
https://platform.netbeans.org/screenshots.html.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Antonio wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/17 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wr
On 13/10/17 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
...Should NetBeans support Apache Spark? Tomcat? The Go programming
language? R? Whatever? Just find a big pool of developers and ask them
what to do next, what they need, what they want.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Peter Steele wrote:
> The Apache integration should be very prominent on the main page, it should
> link to all the relevant Apache pages and should ask for volunteers etc.
> The Apache wiki is ok, but most people know about netbeans.org.
>
> In terms of my comme
On 13/10/17 10:49, Peter Steele wrote:
The Apache integration should be very prominent on the main page, it should
link to all the relevant Apache pages and should ask for volunteers etc.
The Apache wiki is ok, but most people know about netbeans.org.
Exactly. We should plan the announcement
The Apache integration should be very prominent on the main page, it should
link to all the relevant Apache pages and should ask for volunteers etc.
The Apache wiki is ok, but most people know about netbeans.org.
In terms of my comments on "modern" and small things. I can't think of too
many speci
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Antonio wrote:
>
>
> On 13/10/17 10:19, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>>
>> OK, will work on the main page, to add that info more explicitly -- do we
>> have a central page at Apache we should point to from there? E.g., maybe
>> we
>> should point here from various
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Christian Lenz
> wrote:
>
>> ➢ Where exactly would you like to see information on netbeans.org re
>> Apache?
>> ➢ I can see it already myself, it's been there for m
On 13/10/17 10:19, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
OK, will work on the main page, to add that info more explicitly -- do we
have a central page at Apache we should point to from there? E.g., maybe we
should point here from various places on the front page of netbeans.org:
cwiki.apache.org/confluence
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Christian Lenz
wrote:
> Yeah they started and then they cancled it. The go plugins, are far away
> of usable. I talked to the devs, because you can see no source Code in the
> plugin Portal. One Project is at github now, the other one, I’m waiting for
> the Code.
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Antonio Vieiro
> wrote:
> > ...Should NetBeans support Apache Spark? Tomcat? The Go programming
> > language? R? Whatever? Just find
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Christian Lenz
wrote:
> ➢ Where exactly would you like to see information on netbeans.org re
> Apache?
> ➢ I can see it already myself, it's been there for months -- but where
> would
> ➢ you like to see it, where are you looking and not finding the Information
>
ber 2017 10:00
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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Peter Steele wrote:
> - netbeans.org is totally void of any Apache information, if you want more
> people involved then communication should be updated there.
>
Where
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Antonio Vieiro
> wrote:
> > ...Should NetBeans support Apache Spark? Tomcat? The Go programming
> > language? R? Whatever? Just find a big pool of developers and ask them
> > what to do next, w
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Javier Ortiz
wrote:
>
> If NetBeans was unique there would be more help since there were no other
> options. But if your time is limited and not available or buggy on NetBeans
> you just look around and there are other options.
>
> Personally the open source proje
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Peter Steele wrote:
> - netbeans.org is totally void of any Apache information, if you want more
> people involved then communication should be updated there.
>
Where exactly would you like to see information on netbeans.org re Apache?
I can see it already myself
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
> ...Should NetBeans support Apache Spark? Tomcat? The Go programming
> language? R? Whatever? Just find a big pool of developers and ask them
> what to do next, what they need, what they want...
Funding such work is a problem - I could
As one of those "netbeans users" I would agree with both sides of what
people have been saying.
I joined this and the user mailing list to find out a bit more about what
is happening, I would love to contribute at some point but because of the
little time I can give currently I wanted to wait for
NetBeans is a huge scary code to most people including myself. Others just
don't feel or plain lack the skill/knowledge to help, or at least that's
what they feel.
Takes lots of time just to get used to the concepts, structure and
peculiarities of it.
As with many other open source tools I contri
Agree completely. And note that the NetBeans Governance is everyone here on
the mailing list, i.e., we decide together what should be in a release of
NetBeans.
There's something in Apache called the PMC (
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#what-is-a-pmc) which in its simplest
form is everyone who
> El 12 oct 2017, a las 23:56, Emilian Bold escribió:
>
>> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using NetBeans
> and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move
> away from.
>
> As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBea
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Ciprian Ciubotariu
wrote:
> Making a project free software does not automatically migrate all users of
> the
> project to become contributors to the project.
PS: NetBeans has always been free software. The difference is that under
Apache, it's not only free soft
Described here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
Indeed, a lot has still to be done, it's too early for anyone to contribute
anything other than what's described on this page at this point:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+of+Modules
Making a project free software does not automatically migrate all users of the
project to become contributors to the project. This takes time, because the
task is to shift the mindset of the community of users being driven to users
driving. Most won't shift simply because they want to be users,
I must say there are already way more people sending in pull requests to
Apache NetBeans, right now, than I had anticipated at this point. Plus,
Emilian's amazing army of contributors that we had never heard of before,
etc.
I think that that is how we're going to be moving forward -- via code
cont
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 10/13/2017 12:05 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users.
>
> And who cares if there are millions or thousands.
> As long as _WE_ find it worthwhile to develop, it will have a home at
> Apache :)
>
Yes, we have a dedicated team in Oracle in India working on NetBeans. And,
no, that is not how Apache NetBeans is going to be driven -- by a team of
developers in Oracle in India. :-) It is going to be driven by all of us,
together.
Gj
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:07 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertja
On 10/13/2017 12:05 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users.
And who cares if there are millions or thousands.
As long as _WE_ find it worthwhile to develop, it will have a home at
Apache :)
This shouldn't be a popularity contest. Apache is about fostering an
No, that's not the same. When you say there are "millions of NetBeans
users", that's not the same as "one million NetBeans users" and, again,
that number is the absolute peak -- that's not necessarily the most
consistent number, just its absolute height, in one particular month over a
particular ye
Sorry, there are no millions of NetBeans users.
Also think about something else -- there are supposedly 9 million or so
Java developers in the world. Whenever ZeroTurnaround puts together a
survey, they have a massive struggle to even get 2000 people (of 9
million!) to fill in their survey.
So, i
NetBeans has about 1M users or it is used by about 1M people, isn’t that the
same?
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There's already several p
There's already several people involved in Apache NetBeans that weren't
involved at all before.
And, no one has ever said that there are "millions of NetBeans users". At
its height, NetBeans has been in use by about 1.5 million people -- i.e.,
that's measured per month and the most popular months
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Yeah sure, but this is more about communicating. I mean not everyone is willing
to create a plugin or Change Code of the netbeans core as it is. Because if you
see to other Projects like VS Code or other OSS maybe 1M People are users and
from
give something back. So
it is as it is and we shouldn’t avoid that.
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Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard to
know when that will be done, but it should be within
> I think, though this is just my opinion, that people simply using NetBeans
and not giving anything back at all, is something we need to actively move
away from.
As a counterpart to this, I don't know where the millions of NetBeans users
are.
I don't see them in real life, not on social media, n
Yes, we're working right now on changing the licenses to Apache. Hard to
know when that will be done, but it should be within this month, I think.
We could then focus on releasing that -- i.e., the first release would
consist of all the new JDK 9 features (Jigsaw, JShell, etc), together with
then
Often People ask for NetBeans 9 and yes we already know that, because geertjan
often said that it is up to all of us 😉. But often People only want to be users
as I say it often. They want to use NetBeans. Ok anyway but the Thing is, do we
have a specific date like a release Roadmap for NB 9.0 fo
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