Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-18 Thread Bilgin Ibryam
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > To me the convenience is being able to program to a straight AWT like > interface. It is just so convenient to be able to do things like: > > > > myButton = new Button("Click Me", new Button.ClickListener() { > public void buttonClick(Clic

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-08 Thread David E Jones
Yes, creating an object graph for Vaadin or Wicket should certainly be doable based on XML definitions of screens and forms. You could even have scriptlets for additional screen functionality in the platform-specific (or in Moqui render-mode) element. And interesting approach for this might be

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-08 Thread Ean Schuessler
To me the convenience is being able to program to a straight AWT like interface. It is just so convenient to be able to do things like: myButton = new Button("Click Me", new Button.ClickListener() { public void buttonClick(ClickEvent event) { myLabel.setValue("You clicked my button"); // si

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-07 Thread David E Jones
That's a tough one. I just did some research on Vaadin, and in some ways it looks similar to Wicket, and I suppose in some ways similar to JSF as well, though Vaadin appears to be a sort of extension to GWT and the unlike Wicket where the Java code is mostly run on the server (if I understand r

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-07 Thread Ean Schuessler
Hi David, As usual you are a fantastically productive guy. Its a little awe inspiring. :-D Have you given any thought as to how different display technologies like Vaadin, JSF or even Wicket could be accommodated in your framework? Playing with Vaadin has shown me how I wish my views were constru

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-06 Thread Bruno Busco
Great! Thanks 2011/4/6 David E Jones > > The "portal" screens in OFBiz are really just database-driven dynamic > screens. In Moqui they are called dynamic screens using the DynamicScreen* > entities. While designed, this feature has been tabled for the 1.0 release > and will be incorporated in a

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-06 Thread David E Jones
The "portal" screens in OFBiz are really just database-driven dynamic screens. In Moqui they are called dynamic screens using the DynamicScreen* entities. While designed, this feature has been tabled for the 1.0 release and will be incorporated in a later release. You can see the entity definit

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-06 Thread David E Jones
On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:32 AM, alexander.reel...@lusini.com wrote: > Hi > > On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Sam Hamilton wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Congats on the beta release! >>> >>> You were asking for feature requests and today

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-05 Thread alexander.reel...@lusini.com
Hi On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Sam Hamilton wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Congats on the beta release! >> >> You were asking for feature requests and today I ran across a java framework >> called Play they have a few of things that might

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-05 Thread Bruno Busco
Hi David, I downloaded the beta and seen a great work! Looks like we will have soon a very good option to the actual OFBiz framework to think about. BTW, I couldn't find any implementation or plans regarding a portal/portlet feature. Will the moqui framework include this, or what? Regards, Bruno

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-05 Thread David E Jones
On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Sam Hamilton wrote: > Hi David, > > Congats on the beta release! > > You were asking for feature requests and today I ran across a java framework > called Play they have a few of things that might be interesting: > - they get their framework to compile java sour

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-04 Thread Sam Hamilton
Hi David, Congats on the beta release! You were asking for feature requests and today I ran across a java framework called Play they have a few of things that might be interesting: - they get their framework to compile java sources directly and then hot-reloads the JVM [1] - their logging se

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread David E Jones
The "Introduction to Moqui Framework" document is now ready and available do download through SourceForge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/moqui/files/ This document is meant for application developers, ie for the same people who would use Moqui. It is 12 pages with 2 diagrams and should be a

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread Adrian Crum
I don't agree that a separate project is necessary to get a well defined application framework in OFBiz. We could achieve that in OFBiz if we could get everyone to agree on what an "application framework" is. Once that is defined, then it can be enforced - the same as it is with Moqui. -Adrian

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread David E Jones
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: > I agree 100% with the end result - OFBiz running on a separate application > framework. The question is: How do we get from here to there? That is what my > original reply was trying to address. That is the real trick isn't it... The idea of cr

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread Adrian Crum
I agree 100% with the end result - OFBiz running on a separate application framework. The question is: How do we get from here to there? That is what my original reply was trying to address. One other thing to keep in mind during this discussion: The Moqui framework is under the control of a s

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread David E Jones
What I mean is throw out the OFBiz Framework and migrate the applications and specialpurpose components to run on Moqui Framework, and perhaps even incorporate the Mantle stuff too (mostly UDM, USL). After that OFBiz would be the applications project it was meant to be originally, as opposed t

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread Adrian Crum
What does "migrate to use Moqui Framework" mean? Maybe I'm not understanding what you're proposing. -Adrian On 4/2/2011 11:18 AM, David E Jones wrote: Adrian, Just to see if I understand correctly what you wrote: are you proposing to make changes to the OFBiz Framework using code and ideas f

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread David E Jones
Adrian, Just to see if I understand correctly what you wrote: are you proposing to make changes to the OFBiz Framework using code and ideas from the Moqui Framework? If so, why not just migrate to use Moqui Framework? -David On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > Based on the pre

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread David E Jones
That is a good question. The best way to get an idea of how things would look is to look at the example component (in runtime/component/example), the configuration files (default: framework/api/conf-default/MoquiDefaultConf.xml, environment-specific: runtime/conf/...), and the interface definit

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread Brett Palmer
David, We are interested in this project. Let us know the best way to start playing with the framework and see how we could use it. We do a lot of custom applications and moqui sounds like a framework that could be used for this. Thanks again for your efforts. Brett On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-02 Thread Adrian Crum
Based on the previous discussion we had on this subject, I would suggest we create an 11.x branch, and then start discussing a road map for porting the changes from Moqui to OFBiz. I hope to be available to help in November. -Adrian On 4/1/2011 11:09 PM, David E Jones wrote: I still don't k

Re: My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-01 Thread Hans Bakker
Hi David, woow what an achievement, I am always interested in further developments of the ofbiz project and see this as a further step. You can count me in for the applications side of things. Regards, Hans On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 00:09 -0600, David E Jones wrote: > I still don't know if or how al

My vision for the OFBiz Framework

2011-04-01 Thread David E Jones
I still don't know if or how all of this will turn out, but here is the latest on the changes I've been wanting to make in the OFBiz Framework, but gave up on doing directly in OFBiz about a year and a half ago. The redesigned framework is a separate project that is now in beta (I just did the