Re: Fwd: Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-14 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/14/2010 12:53 PM, Raj Saini wrote: So how this is going to work one code is deployed inside a application server? For example as a war or ear or let us say inside the component folder of OFBiz? The top-level ofbiz-component.xml defines the top-level webapp. The web.xml configured there

Re: Fwd: Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-14 Thread Raj Saini
So how this is going to work one code is deployed inside a application server? For example as a war or ear or let us say inside the component folder of OFBiz? Here is an example of what I mean by overlay: == doo...@host:/job/brainfood-standard-base/pages/BASE/www/account$ tree . ├── Actions.

Re: Fwd: Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-14 Thread Adam Heath
Adam Heath wrote: > > > > Subject: > Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger! > From: > Adam Heath > Date: > Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:08:07 -0500 > To: >

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread BJ Freeman
In the Early Nineties I was Hired to Take the MSDN portion of Microsoft into a document Library type of design. A user would give a link to a Document, the app would then parse the document for various type of mime and store them on a files system on the network, was well as have key word search

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread Scott Gray
For me it all comes to down to a couple of basic but very important points: - Webslinger by your own admission takes a vastly different approach from anything else on the market and you're asking the OFBiz community to take that risk along with you and ignore what everyone else is doing. - Websli

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread Ean Schuessler
I agree that databases are very, very powerful but they also introduce fundamental limitations. It depends on your priorities. For instance, we've found that the processes companies pursue for editing documentation can be every bit as fluid, complex and partitioned as source code. I'd ask you, as

Fwd: Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread Adam Heath
--- Begin Message --- On 10/13/2010 12:03 AM, Raj Saini wrote: Then, with the backend code and template files stored in the filesystem, the actual content itself is also stored in the filesystem. Why have a different storage module for the content, then you do for the application? I don't th

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Scott Gray wrote: On 13/10/2010, at 8:00 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Scott Gray wrote: On 13/10/2010, at 5:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of databa

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-13 Thread Scott Gray
On 13/10/2010, at 8:00 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Scott Gray wrote: >> On 13/10/2010, at 5:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: >>> On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> Actually, a discussion of datab

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Scott Gray wrote: On 13/10/2010, at 5:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far th

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Raj Saini
To be honest it makes it a little difficult to take you seriously when you completely disregard the JCR/Jackrabbit approach without even the slightest hint of objectivity if (!myWay) { return highway; } The JCR was produced by an expert working group driven largely by Day Software which

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Raj Saini
Then, with the backend code and template files stored in the filesystem, the actual content itself is also stored in the filesystem. Why have a different storage module for the content, then you do for the application? I don't think it is a code idea to store your code and data together. D

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adrian Crum
On 10/12/2010 3:39 PM, Scott Gray wrote: This is about debating why it should be included in OFBiz as a tightly integrated CMS and how well webslinger's goals match up with OFBiz's content requirements (whatever they are, I don't pretend to know). I thought one of the goals was to replace OFB

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Scott Gray
This isn't about casting stones or attempting to belittle webslinger, which I have no doubt is a fantastic piece of work and meets its stated goals brilliantly. This is about debating why it should be included in OFBiz as a tightly integrated CMS and how well webslinger's goals match up with OF

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Ean Schuessler
We think its interesting and handy to manage our web content using GIT. Its hard to do that with JackRabbit, especially in its preferred configuration of a database backed store. I think that is a pretty reasoned explanation. I don't see Adam or I casting stones at your CMS test application so plea

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Scott Gray
On 13/10/2010, at 5:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >> On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: >>> On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there h

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/12/2010 04:31 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: It seems that many Programmers feel it better to have the user spend time to learn their system, than the programmer learn their way of doing things to reduce the learning curve for the user. Exactly. The users of webslinger are those creating the back

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread BJ Freeman
It seems that many Programmers feel it better to have the user spend time to learn their system, than the programmer learn their way of doing things to reduce the learning curve for the user. Adam Heath sent the following on 10/12/2010 10:21 AM: That's the problem. Don't treat your develope

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/12/2010 11:50 AM, Marc Morin wrote: All of your examples are "developer" examples. We are focused on end-users, so we don't expect them to use vi, grep, or anything like that. That's the problem. Don't treat your developers or users differently. It means you end up writing *more* cod

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Morin
All of your examples are "developer" examples. We are focused on end-users, so we don't expect them to use vi, grep, or anything like that. - Original Message - > On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > > Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of > > content wo

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/12/2010 11:26 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 9:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be w

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adrian Crum
On 10/12/2010 9:23 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there has been some hyperb

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/12/2010 11:06 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there has been some hyperbole, but few facts. How do you edit data

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adrian Crum
On 10/12/2010 8:55 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there has been some hyperbole, but few facts. How do you edit database content? What is the procedure? Can a s

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/12/2010 10:25 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there has been some hyperbole, but few facts. How do you edit database content? What is the procedure? Can a simple editor be used? By simple, I mea

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 06:58 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 12:37 PM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 06:26 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 11:45 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, J

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Adrian Crum
Actually, a discussion of database versus filesystem storage of content would be worthwhile. So far there has been some hyperbole, but few facts. -Adrian On 10/12/2010 7:32 AM, Marc Morin wrote: With all the other technologies in ofbiz, seems like webslinger just adds more stuff onto the pile

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-12 Thread Marc Morin
With all the other technologies in ofbiz, seems like webslinger just adds more stuff onto the pile. I don't want to argue the technical merits of database or file system persistence for a CMS, but it appears like ofbiz would benefit from reducing the number of technologies used, and increase th

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 10:07 PM, Nico Toerl wrote: On 10/12/10 01:41, Adam Heath wrote: Now, here it comes. The url to the site. http://ofbizdemo.brainfood.com/. Things to note. There are *no* database calls *at all*. It's all done with files on disk. History browsing is backed by git, using jgit

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Nico Toerl
On 10/12/10 01:41, Adam Heath wrote: > Now, here it comes. The url to the site. > http://ofbizdemo.brainfood.com/. > > Things to note. There are *no* database calls *at all*. It's all > done with files on disk. History browsing is backed by git, using > jgit to read it directly in java. CSS

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Scott Gray
On 12/10/2010, at 12:37 PM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/11/2010 06:26 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >> On 12/10/2010, at 11:45 AM, Adam Heath wrote: >> >>> On 10/11/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 06:26 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 11:45 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of!

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Scott Gray
On 12/10/2010, at 11:45 AM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/11/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >> On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: >> >>> On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of! >>> >>> Actually, this is jus

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Ean Schuessler
Scott Gray wrote: > The main question in my mind is what does all this mean for OFBiz? > Obviously because webslinger is currently in the framework you > envisage it playing some sort of role in the ERP applications, but > what exactly? We see knowledge sharing as an important ERP function. > I thi

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 04:25 PM, Scott Gray wrote: On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of! Actually, this is just one application. Webslinger(-core) is an enabling technology, t

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Scott Gray
On 12/10/2010, at 10:03 AM, Adam Heath wrote: > On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of! > > Actually, this is just one application. Webslinger(-core) is an enabling > technology, that enables anything to be written q

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 02:37 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of! Actually, this is just one application. Webslinger(-core) is an enabling technology, that enables anything to be written quickly. As I said, I've only spent probably 2 actual

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Impressive, now I know what Webslinger is and what it is capable of! Thanks Jacques From: "Adam Heath" On 10/11/2010 12:41 PM, Adam Heath wrote: So, about a month ago, people on this list wanted to see an example website implemented in webslinger. At the time, I had a preliminary version of

Re: Woop! Confluence data imported into git and displayed with webslinger!

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Heath
On 10/11/2010 12:41 PM, Adam Heath wrote: So, about a month ago, people on this list wanted to see an example website implemented in webslinger. At the time, I had a preliminary version of specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite converted. I mentioned that I would finish that up, and make it available. Howe