RE: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package

+1 > -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:03 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package [ ... ] > > AOO build on Windows currently requires the use of Cygwin which has a >

Experiment: Downloading 4.1.2 Source for Assessment of Its Zip Usage

ase, one would like to minimize the number of ways someone ends up feeling stupid when attempting all of this. -- Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org+1-206-779-9430 https://keybase.i

RE: [PROPOSAL] Distribute only one source package

There is interesting discussion on this thread that devolves into what compression to use as the single source-package case. I do not support this proposal as a first-choice alternative to what may be a surmountable problem. I want to speak to some higher-level issues, below. MY OFFER: I will

RE: Experiment: Downloading 4.1.2 Source for Assessment of Its Zip Usage

] > Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 13:57 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Experiment: Downloading 4.1.2 Source for Assessment of Its > Zip Usage > > Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > Attempting to access the asc, md5, and sha256 at, e.g., > > <https://archiv

64-bit AOO for Windows (was RE: [QUESTION] Usability of Non-Optional Java Dependencies)

I think the benefits of an x64 version of OpenOffice are understated. It has apparently been worth it for a cousin OO.o descendant to provide one. I think there are two factors that favor having an OpenOffice x64 release: 1. The biggest benefits of x64 builds are (1) optimized compiling for

RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

> -Original Message- > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 15:09 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer > > Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> From: Pa

[REPORT] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace - AOO 4.1.1 downloads

essage----- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 18:38 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace - > Downloading > > Here is a rough, top-level view of Apach

[QUESTION] Getting to AOO for Java (AOO4J)?

and there are no diversions until a natural migration occurs. How does any of that sound. It means that there would be no revolutionary disruption of the Apache OpenOffice project itself. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, O

RE: [QUESTION] Getting to AOO for Java (AOO4J)?

t an AOO4J do their proof-of-concept elsewhere. > > > > Am 11/07/2015 08:41 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: > > There has been suggestion, and some expressed support, for AOO > becoming a > > Java application. > > > > I don't want to discuss the merits of

RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

Patricia, I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a Windows install of AOO, if only to confirm the build that was used in a release. If you have succeeded, can you share your build parameters and anything you learned about the instructions with regard to dependencies

Needing Build Instructions in Source Releases

On some thread, there was a comment about keeping the build instructions out of the source release and having them somewhere else. I can no longer find where that was mentioned and my email-search incantations have failed me. As was already discussed on some different lists, it is important to

RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

e shells for over 30 years, but I would much prefer to use > an IDE. > > Patricia > > On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > Patricia, > > > > I am in constant despair of what it takes to use Windows to build a > > Windows install of AOO, if only to

RE: Reporting broken download link

I used that link just now and it worked. Früher habe ich den Link gerade jetzt und es funktionierte. I think browser cache matters not. Ich denke, Browser-Cache Sachen nicht. > -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 11:37 >

RE: Possible Mac problem 4.1.2

The same symptoms Juergen reports are also attributable to the absence of a Java Runtime Environment (JRE) that AOO can use. That is, one can create a new empty database .odb, but cannot open it, etc. That there are crashes without any reports of exceptions is peculiar though. It looks like

RE: ОШИБКА!!!

Thanks Rory, This is now captured as Issue 126630 at so it doesn't fall through the cracks. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Rory O'Farrell [mailto:ofarr...@iol.ie] > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 06:29 > To:

Fixed in Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2: Five Security Vulnerabilities

[BCC to PMC; AOO security] Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 includes fixes for five security vulnerabilities that are published with CVE (Common Vulnerability and Exposure) IDs. Four of them are being publicly disclosed today. The complete list and the individual bulletins can be found via

Welcome Gavin McDonald (gmcdonald) to the Apache OpenOffice PMC

[BCC PMC list] Gavin McDonald joined the Apache OpenOffice PMC on 2015-10-18. This belated welcome message is to share the PMC's delight in having Gavin on board the AOO Project Management Committee. - Dennis for the Apache OpenOffice PMC

Welcome Damjan Jovanovic (damjan) to the Apache OpenOffice PMC

[BCC PMC list] Damjan Jovanovic joined the Apache OpenOffice PMC on 2015-10-08. This belated welcome message is to share the PMC's delight in having Damjan on board the AOO Project Management Committee. - Dennis for the Apache OpenOffice PMC

[QUESTION] FInding Consistent Responses to User Issues

I appreciate the way there are requests for specific additional information on skimpy bug reports, such as . Thanks to those providing those. I also notice that providing more information is not always what is required. For example,

RE: [QUESTION] FInding Consistent Responses to User Issues

I made a sentence that makes no sense. > -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 10:08 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: 'Keith N. McKenna' <keith.mcke...@comcast.net>; ooofo...@free.fr; >

RE: [QUESTION] Usability of Non-Optional Java Dependencies

Damjan, Thanks for the great summary of the situation, below. I have a few supporting comments there. > -Original Message- > From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org] > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 09:22 > To: Apache OO > Subject: Re: [QUESTION]

RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

Thanks, Patricia, > -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:32 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer > [ ... ] > What is the best guide to building AOO on Windows 8? >

RE: Remove outdated Copyright-Approved Persons and Companies list

Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the Apache OpenOffice project. The list is from the site as it existed before Apache OpenOffice was established. It specifies facts that are not under the independent control of the

[QUESTION] Usability of Non-Optional Java Dependencies

The Java dependency problem keeps coming up buried in other threads. I am redirecting the most recent case so we can put light on this situation. Before the dependencies on Java are increased/improved, I think there is a crucial usability matter. 1. Currently users are trap-doored by

RE: Thinking of joining OpenOffice as a developer

While that sentiment was expressed on a thread about another topic, it should be understood that the idea of *increasing* Java dependency does not reflect an agreed project direction. Before that could be considered, it seems to me that a number of issues around Java dependency need to be

RE: Pending release tasks

I haven't seen anything via announce@ oo.a.o, which I will be using later too. It looks like we need some diversification of moderation. Do we need Infra JIRA issues to add more admins? - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > Sent:

RE: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Release 4.1.2-RC3 as OpenOffice 4.1.2

> -Original Message- > From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:04 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Release 4.1.2-RC3 as OpenOffice 4.1.2 > > On 27/10/15 17:45, Regina Henschel wrote: > > Hi Jürgen, > > > >

RE: Pending release tasks

> -Original Message- > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 17:05 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pending release tasks [ ... ] > A very basic announcement is now available at > >

RE: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

+1 also > -Original Message- > From: JZA [mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 16:57 > To: dev > Subject: Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement > > +1 > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti

RE: Pending release tasks

Excellent! > -Original Message- > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 16:15 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Pending release tasks > > Marcus wrote: > 2) Upload to mirrors. Does anyone know how to copy files to SF... > >

RE: Does GPL apply when building AOO under CygWin?

Cygwin is used only for building Windows binaries. The resulting binaries are native Windows and neither use nor distribute the Cygwin DLL. (The Visual Studio VC++ tool chain is run from within the CygWin shell, and that is what provides the completely-native Windows binary for Apache

RE: 4.1.2_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126597] Object Properties dialog contains "JRE Required" trap

I'm sorry. It was not my intention to request a release blocker. That must have been automatically checked. Please deny the request. I agree completely that there should be no blocker on this. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent:

RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

Summary of what this thread revealed, in-line. > -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:58 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality > >

RE: Please test updates with OpenOffice 4.1.2-RC2

I confirmed that "Check for Updates" works on Windows 10 Pro x64 en-US. The results are at . I did not do the extensions test. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday,

[REPORT] PMC 2015-08 Private-List Activity through August

vocal 9 of the 15 PMC members that posted approximating the overall pattern through July. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 14:43 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: R

RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

> -Original Message- > From: Damjan Jovanovic [mailto:dam...@apache.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 17:25 > To: Apache OO > Subject: Re: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Kay Schenk

RE: [QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

Thanks, Marcus and Kay. Oh, I know so little about what is on the web site and wikis now. Must nose around more. I would reword the Java and Accessibility statements a bit, but you have answered my basic question. There remain some usability questions. I wonder if others have Observations

[QUESTION] Optional Java Use for Essential Functionality

In looking into some usability issues, I ran into a concern about how Java is optional yet there are features that absolutely depend on it. I think some of those are essential features. I have been mentioning this in other contexts and I'd like to test community wisdom for understanding here. I

Apache OpenOffice Board-Reporting Schedule

[BCC to PMC] >From the Chair, After watching the Board process for almost a month now, I have the following observations about the reporting calendar for Apache OpenOffice. Here is the reporting cycle we are on: QUARTER REPORTFINAL January 1 - March 31 April

RE: [DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace - Downloading

. There may be ways to learn more. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 20:01 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace I had not encountered the topic of &qu

The "right way" to Ship Software

need basis also, especially around the fact that predictability is a big deal with regard to the handling of digital documents across platforms. Look at the whole article. Where are we? And then how does management of risk fit? -- Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org dennis.hamil...@a

FW: [PROPOSAL] On Reproducibility of Defects

Here's another. It is so easy to just keep responding on a thread where something first comes up. I will do better on this. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 19:17 To: q...@openoffice.apache.org; orc

FW: [PROPOSAL] QA Prioritization on Reports

Although of specific importance for QA, this deserves awareness and consideration in the boarder dev community. Sorry, I was focused too narrowly, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 08:29 To: q

RE: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

Time, gentlemen, time. We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go night-night. Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO business. We have our own business to attend to. If folks want to keep fussing about it, there are

INTEROPERABILITY: Initial PLugfest Test Collection

A set of initial, raw tests was provided for review, clarification, and updating at the ODF Plugfest that started today in The Netherlands. I asked permission to share this information, at the end, below, with the Apache OpenOffice developers list, with the following observations: "I am more

Slow but steady, please

I think the Wikipedia editing adventure did not have a good ending. That is to be expected. I think that there is no point in attempting to edit Wikipedia in situations such as this. These things invariably end badly. On the other hand, there are level-headed folk out there, and you might

RE: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: The AOO PMC

Thanks, Andrea s in-line. -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 00:25 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: The AOO PMC On 09/09/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > the only nominee to s

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

chments to it are free from viruses. On 7 September 2015 at 20:21, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > Thanks, Stuart. > > > > To be clear, I was not thinking of direct participation but something > simple to be used in providing the “ODF in the marketplac

RE: FW: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: Issue Clearance Quality + Technical Debt

without any deeper understanding. On 09/09/2015 11:33 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > From the Chair, > [ ... ] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org

AOO-Earmarked Funds

Andrea, I notice, from time-to-time that there seem to be funds that there are AOO-earmarked funds that the ASF received.. Is it the case that those funds are dedicated to events, such as attendance allowances and collateral materials? Or may these funds be applied to other purposes? One

FW: [DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: Issue Clearance Quality + Technical Debt

th positive assistance no matter how they bring their situation to the attention of the project. Accomplishing that is open for discussion. "It takes a village." -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 19:57 To

[DISCUSS] SUSTAINABILITY: The AOO PMC

012. 7 are new or returned PMC members 6 of the current PMC are Apache Software Foundation Members, including the one Past Chair 2015-08-23 Jan Iverson retired 2015-02-13 Dennis E. Hamilton joined the PMC 2015-02-11 Jan Iverson returned to PMC as Chair 2015-01-03 Mechti

RE: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository

] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository Dennis, Thanks for the information If there are no -1's I'll report back after I look into all the requirements. Thanks, Carl On 09/05/2015 10:59 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Thanks for the information, Carl. > > The labeling a

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

>From the Chair, Stuart, thank you for your patience and keeping the AOO community tied into the planning for the ODF Plugfest and preparation of the booklet. It appears that the “Application Choices” convergence achieved with the suggestions from Andrea Pescetti is quite satisfactory.

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Thanks, Stuart. To be clear, I was not thinking of direct participation but something simple to be used in providing the “ODF in the marketplace” session with some useful self-explanatory data from the Apache OpenOffice Project. In any case, I doubt there is something that could be done in

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Thanks Andrea, I am missing context. Where are you seeing this information and where do you propose to submit the updates? I have no problem with the proposed changes. Just want to know where they go. Is it meaningful to report that the default and recommended outputs are Extended ODF 1.2

RE: FreeBSD build success!

Awesome, Pedro. Thank you for your effort in this accomplishment too. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 10:26 To: Apache OO ; Don Lewis Subject: Re: FreeBSD build

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

and leaflets Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I am missing context. Where are you seeing this information and where do you > propose to submit the updates? It is page 5 of http://openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/OFE-COIS-DFD-ODF-Open-Document-Principles-for-Government-Technology

RE: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository

u can follow the discussion on legal-discuss @ apache.org. -Original Message- From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 19:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository On 09/04/2015 08:54

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

hin the 11th Plugfest booklet, both printed in English and Dutch. The document and many translations make up the OFE ODF toolkit which can be found here: http://www.openforumeurope.org/library/odf-toolkit-2/ I hope this helps inform you of our project. Best regards, Stuart. PS Louis, thanks

RE: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015

It is not clear to me what is being discussed here. Can we separate out the parts, please? 1. There is discussion of sending someone to participate in the ODF Plugfest to be held on 2015-09/15-16, 11 days from now. That includes a request for travel funding. 2. It is not clear to me

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

on this list though.) If you prefer that work-in-progress not be posted to this public list, you are welcome to respond to private@ openoffice.apache.org where the Project Management Committee can look it over. We will probably need to have a link to some repository location. -- Dennis E

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

; Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> Subject: Re: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets Hi all, > On 04 Sep 15, at 22:13, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > > I think the idea is to work toward consensus. The proposal of a [VOTE] on a > matt

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

Hi Basil, It appears this message was caught in whatever routing issue that interfered with traffic between the US and UK earlier today. Here, we have already seen Roberto’s response, a second response from you, and discussion on dev@ oo.a.o. I think we’ll all catch our breath now and wait

RE: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository

How are these files distributed now, Carl? -Original Message- From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 17:18 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [PROPOSAL][EXT] Submit UNO Java jar files to Maven Repository Hi all, I propose submitting the latest

[DISCUSS] Apache OpenOffice ODF in the Marketplace

tied directly to how they are supported in ODF by Apache OpenOffice. We could mine some of the data we have for a profile of these categories. It is not clear how indicative it is until we gather it. Where would be a good start for a short term trial investigation? -Original Message

RE: ODF Plugfest: participation and leaflets

I think the idea is to work toward consensus. The proposal of a [VOTE] on a matter not yet made specific and discussed is not particularly advisable. How about a [PROPOSE] or a [DISCUSS] thread. If you look for a lazy consensus, please allow for the fact that this is a 3-day Holiday weekend

RE: AOO -> LO or MS O

There are users who will find the political drama compelling. There is nothing to be done about that. It does not make the product better and it distracts those who want to find ways to serve the broad community no matter what code base is being worked on. The asymmetrical situation around

FW: [DISCUSSION] ODF Plugfest, September 2015

More information about the Plugfest for some who might not have noticed earlier. I have edited this lightly to reflect the current status in my case. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 15:31 To: dev

RE: AOO -> LO or MS O

Thursday, September 3, 2015 12:06 To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>; Dennis Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> Subject: Re: AOO -> LO or MS O 2015-09-03 17:48 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>: > PS: On the interoperable-use challenge lurking in the a

RE: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

Thank you for your remarks, Pedro. Just two things: 1. I was referring to LICENSE and NOTICE files in an installed binary distribution. I should have used NOTICE file, since that is what is named in ALv2, and I should have said copy of the license, not a specific LICENSE file. I

RE: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

Pedro, can you provide a public URL to the file that concerns you? I cannot find directory main/ooo_custom_images on https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/trunk/main and there is nothing similar on the web site. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro Giffuni

RE: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

-Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 09:28 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...) Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I cannot find directory m

RE: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

pache notice. This appears to be an oversight. 1.1 I need to confirm the provenance of this file. 1.2 We do need to figure out why RAT apparently does not catch it. Pondering next steps, looking for insights of others, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton

RE: Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

Oh, I'm sorry, Dave. I thought I was making it clear, on this change of subject, that I am not talking about trademarks but only 3rd parties deriving from ALv2 code itself, including by rebasing, forking, or any other means. With regard to the use of marks and Powered By I agree that is

RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion (was RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List ...)

I'm wondering about the following. I think the based on X conversation is already happening at a general level and I believe participation at that level is better, since this will probably be simple and generic and VP Brand Management will likely take a position that applies to us also.

Third-Party ALv2 Dependencies (RE: Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion ...)

From the Chair, I need to speak up about the rebasing business. 1. Use of the ALv2 has nothing to do with trademarks, so this conversation should be on a separate thread. 2. However, it probably should not be held here and certainly not privately by the PMC. If someone wants to pursue

RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

Good idea, Phil Separating out [VOTE] and maybe even [DISCUSS] threads related to [VOTE]s and/or lazy consensus should be possible. I will look into that as a refinement in future reports. (It will also be helpful if the practices for tagging mail threads are followed consistently.) It

Limiting Trademark Policy Discussion (was RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List ...)

From the Chair, I don't know, off-hand, what the proportion of discussion of Trademark Policy is in the PMC private discussion activity so far this year. However, a discussion of trademark policy, as such, especially with real and fictional examples, is inappropriate on this list if it is

RE: Programming Open Office

All of the source code used in making an Apache OpenOffice distribution is available free to the public, in the same manner as the OpenOffice software the people directly. The code can be downloaded, modified (or not) and used to build the programs. The use of that code is governed by the

RE: Programming Open Office

- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 17:42 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: RE: Programming Open Office All of the source code used in making an Apache OpenOffice distribution is available free to the public, in the same manner

[REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

From an AOO PMC Member, I have compiled a high-level traffic analysis of discussion activity on the OpenOffice PMC private@ oo.a.o list. These are *statistics* and noisy ones at that. I am looking for trends that are good-enough at this level of precision. It is in the nature of private@

RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

With a correction already, Of all the messages sent, 84.3% are by members of the PMC, 13.4% are by other ASF participants, and 2.3% are by others. [The extra decimals are simply to achieve a confirmable total of 100%, precision not so much.] -Original Message- From: Dennis E

RE: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

a little out of touch with what's going on (gone on) here, but you have me intrigued with this. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: From an AOO PMC Member, I have compiled a high-level traffic

2015-08-26 Role of the Chair

[BCC to the AOO PMC] From the Chair, It is useful to know some specifics concerning the role of a Project Management Committee (PMC) Chair. This is what I rely on as guidance for carrying out my responsibilities. **PLEASE NOTE** It might appear in the material below that the Chair is in a

RE: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports

-Original Message- From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 20:14 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports Dennis, [ ... ] Thanks for the explanation on process. But I ask

RE: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports

Suárez-Potts. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 02:07 To: dev dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc

2015-08-25 When Speaking as the Chair

[BCC to the AOO PMC] From the Chair, It occurs to me that the role of the Chair of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee is often seriously over-estimated. There is also a level of prestige that may be associated with it that tends to give more weight to what I might say than

RE: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports

Thank you Andrea, Your suggestions are valuable to me and I will take them to heart. -Original Message- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 14:44 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: 2015-08-24 Future Board Reports [ ... ] Can I

2015-08-24 Future Board Reports

I am changing the practice of development and submission of Reports to the Board. Technically, Reports to the Board are an accountability of the PMC Chair to the ASF Board of Directors. It is one of the matters that is an obligation of the Chair and it is to the Board and only the Board.

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

Iverson (binding) =0 Dennis E. Hamilton (binding) +0 Olaf Felka 3 TOTAL ABSTENTIONS NO votes none - Dennis -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 00:27 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [RESULT][VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair

RE: help needed on ODF standard for auto indent for paragraphs

...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 09:20 To: OOo Apache dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: help needed on ODF standard for auto indent for paragraphs On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:23:22 -0700 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil

RE: help needed on ODF standard for auto indent for paragraphs

-0700 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: [ ... ] I cannot answer for what happens when using R to L type or what (if any) is the typesetting norm for such languages. I'll root around later today to see if I can come up with anything, but I'm going offline shortly to do Saturday

RE: Section styles?

Rory, concerning difficulties setting styles on sections, Do you mean you used multiple sections or did you make multiple copies of the same section? I am not clear how OpenOffice handles the copying of sections as well as linking of one section for content/styles of another. The ODF 1.2

RE: help needed on ODF standard for auto indent for paragraphs

I suspect the Roman alphabet, conventional-font space-/indent-sizing is inapplicable for some Asian languages. (I hope the Asian setting is specifically for CJK (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) or we could be having problems with some very complex language scripts as well. Rory, I don't believe

RE: help needed on ODF standard for auto indent for paragraphs

Apparently, Friday is ODF question day [;). I suspect that default indentation amounts are nowhere specified in the ODF 1.2 Specification and it is an implementation-defined behavior. I looked at every occurrence of indent* in the ODF 1.2 specification and nowhere are there default values

Others Pontificate the future of Apache OpenOffice

This blog post was just brought to my attention, https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2015/08/17/an-open-letter-to-apache-foundation-and-apache-openoffice-team/. From my perspective, the Apache OpenOffice team is found in this dev@ community, where the committers and the PMC are successive subsets

RE: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

, August 17, 2015 14:42 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand what is involved

QUESTIONS RE: Maintenance of AOO Wiki and Forum

Thanks Tony, this reminds me of some questions that would help us understand what is involved. These questions are anyone knowledgable of the current arrangements: I see four levels of support to wikis and forums: 1. User Account and Content Administration I believe this is handed. Does

RE: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

=0 (binding), abstain -Original Message- From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 23:57 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair. [ ... ] Voting rules are as follows: - Only PMC votes are binding, but everybody are

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