Re: [dev] OpenOffice.org 3.4 release and some changes

2011-01-19 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Martin, your proposal is definitely a step into the right direction IMHO. Since in the past we've often had cases where a fix in one RC caused a regression in the next one, I'd also like to see the developer's risk estimation have an effect on whether an issue gets accepted as a

Re: [dev] Re: buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-27 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mechtilde, Mechtilde schrieb: Hello thorsten, * or another example:# Why is it possible to get a 64 build but no 32 bit build? Isn't it th same build environment on the buildbots? Depending on the platform, tools as the compiler may differ, and in this case even the Ubuntu version

Re: [dev] buildbot builds vs standard builds

2009-02-19 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Andre, Andre Schnabel schrieb: Hi Thorsten, Original-Nachricht Von: Thorsten Ziehm thorsten.zi...@sun.com where is the problem? (I know I asked this since months and do not get any detailed answer) :-( You are correct with this. And I was just going to get builds

[dev] Is the Solver still being used?

2008-12-19 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, looking at the mailing-list archives I just saw that there was a discussion about whether the Solver is useful a few years ago. There were some pros and cons and some people thought it would be useful and should still be offered for download. Now theoretically being useful and being

Re: [dev] Re: [tools-dev] Re: [council-esc] Re: [tools-dev] OOo SCM project

2008-08-28 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, Jens-Heiner Rechtien schrieb: Martin Hollmichel wrote: Jens-Heiner Rechtien wrote: Hi Martin, since almost all OOO300 CWSs (for the RC) will be integrated into DEV300 as well it makes sense to have most of them already integrated into DEV300 before starting the migration. Also there

Re: [dev] eis.services.openoffice.org and tools.services.openoffice.org down

2007-09-20 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, since yesterday evening ~7 pm (GMT+2) the tools are working again. Regards, Jörg Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Hi, due to a failure of the internet connection eis.services.openoffice.org and tools.services.openoffice.org, where the Environment Information System (EIS) and e.g. the dashboards

[dev] eis.services.openoffice.org and tools.services.openoffice.org down

2007-09-19 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, due to a failure of the internet connection eis.services.openoffice.org and tools.services.openoffice.org, where the Environment Information System (EIS) and e.g. the dashboards are hosted, are currently not available. A technician is expected to arrive within the next hours and will

Re: [dev] Release Engineering IRC chat

2007-08-23 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, again a reminder: We are going to have another Release Engineering QA session tomorrow. The channel will again be #re.openoffice.org, time is 10 am Hamburg time (which is GMT+2) / 4 pm Beijing time. If you have some agenda item(s), please reply to this mail to add them. Regards, Jörg

Re: [dev] Release Engineering IRC chat

2007-07-26 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, just as a reminder: We are going to have another Release Engineering QA session tomorrow. The channel will again be #re.openoffice.org, time is 10 am Hamburg time (which is GMT+2) / 4 pm Beijing time. If you have some agenda item(s), please reply to this mail to add them. Regards, Jörg

Re: [dev] Re:Re: [dev] Re[dev] Release Engineering IRC chat

2007-07-13 Thread Jörg Jahnke
OK, lets choose #re.openoffice.org. Jörg liutao schrieb: That channel is ok :-) LiuTao I think we should go to the channel #oootalk,or it will be very disorderly What about #re.openoffice.org? ;-) -- Pavel Janík - To

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: So again: I want to get a good compromise between effort (hours to run) and result (coverage of code that is known to be prone to regressions). So before I can agree to any regression testing I must know if this testing really investigates the parts of the

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: I agree that a good compromise between effort and result should be found. But you seem to miss the point that the planned tests are not meant to do Unit Testing but are on a different level of testing, which is System Testing (up into the area of Integration

Re: [dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Jörg Jahnke
. Additionally the suggestion was made to run a pilot to test the new regression test handling. This is exactly what we will try to do, improve the test tool and prepare the test cases, so that we are able to run a pilot and clarify the above questions. Regards, Jörg Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Hi

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rene, Rene Engelhard schrieb: Or imagine such a test run (failing or not) short before a release, where you have a small CWS fixing a showstopper only. We don't really want to have a mandatory 3 day delay in such situations, do we? Best example currently: cws freetypettg. tiny *security*

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rüdiger, Rüdiger Timm schrieb: Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi Hennes, Hennes Rohling schrieb: ... But don't make everything mandatory. If I change a string in the setup or change platform dependend code for systemintegration I don't want to do a mandatory test that tests whether all dialogs

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: Jörg Jahnke wrote: But I agree that a proper selection of tests is a good idea. Perhaps a user should be able to call e.g. dmake regressiontests -run:sw,basic to execute special tests for the writer and the basic. You misunderstood me. I took

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rüdiger, Rüdiger Timm schrieb: Ause just informed me about another solution that might remove the need to have the test run on every CWS i.e. we wouldn't need to have the tests mandatory. His idea is to run the tests on the Master Workspace prior to announcing the CWS as ready for CWS

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: ... I know that each and every test I can make is able to find bugs and also regressions. This is a correct but nevertheless trivial statement that of course noone would deny. But for the same reason why QA nowadays does not execute each and every test we

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Hennes, Hennes Rohling schrieb: ... But don't make everything mandatory. If I change a string in the setup or change platform dependend code for systemintegration I don't want to do a mandatory test that tests whether all dialogs in the Calc still work. - Hennes The problem with not

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
] Software Test Automation, Mark Fewster Dorrothy Graham, Addison Wesley [2] Slide 10 http://specs.openoffice.org/collaterals/presentations/Specification-Template-Presentation.odp Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi, in the past weeks I had some discussions with developers and members from the QA

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Martin, Martin Hollmichel schrieb: Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Hi, one of the questions is whether it would be acceptable for everyone to run a small regression test-suite prior to the QA-approval of a CWS. These tests would probably run several hours, depending on the hardware being used

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, Oliver Specht - Sun Germany -Hamburg schrieb: ... Hi, before we all start dreaming: Do you have such tests? Those that are able to find more regressions than they overlook? Those that run only several hours not weeks like the current ones? A limited set of tests exists which could be

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Martin, Martin Hollmichel schrieb: ... I still think that making a test mandatory is not the first step in the process. I would like to name these requirements with this priorities: 1. Test should be repoducible and generate easy to read and unambigious logs with clear error codes.

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, Mathias Bauer schrieb: Exactly, and I would prefer to have regression tests based on the API or complex test framework and not based on the GUI testtool. We shouldn't raise even more barriers to contribution. Ciao, Mathias I agree that we shouldn't raise additional barriers that keep

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Eike, Eike Rathke schrieb: The plan is to have an _easy_ way of running the tests. Whether a button in the EIS application will be the best way I cannot say, but it seems to be a good example. So far the performance tests can't be run for CWSs that were not created on Sun Hamburg servers.

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-30 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, the reason why the Wiki page speaks of mandatory tests I have mentioned in a previous mail: Jörg Jahnke schrieb: The problem with such tests not being mandatory is that, sooner or later, some tests would break. That again would lead to a state where the user of the tests could

Re: [dev] How to reduce the barieres to contribute to OOo? Some suggestions and proposals from inside Sun ....

2007-01-18 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, Nils Fuhrmann schrieb: ... Beside these three things were we like to initiate a change, there are currently things in progress which we like support more actively to bring down some restriction and hurdles we have. For CWSs, we typically like to see at least two installation sets on

Re: [dev] An attempt of a summary: specification process possibilities

2006-11-16 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, to go a step further: Do we need such feature mails at all? Couldn't we instead offer RSS feeds (per project?) which list the most recently integrated CWSs and their feature descriptions? I could imagine that a developer can edit the feature description at any time he likes and, at the

[dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, the P1 issue i67982, that was found on the milestone m179 of SRC680, brought up the question whether there might be cases when it is useful to re-open a milestone that has already been announced as ready for CWS usage, in order to integrate a P1 bugfix. As this matter does not only

Re: [dev] [Fwd: Re: Contributions to the default icon set used by OO.o/StarOffice]

2006-07-26 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, Tom Verbeek schrieb: IMHO if the use of this web tool causes pain, and is unusable by others, Sun should shoulder the burden here; and ultimately [ AFAIR ] good icons take ~3 hours each to draw ; [ in 2 sizes ], and as such it's unlikely that inserting 4 or 5 per day in some web tool