[dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Kevin Ogden
http://www.butlerofficepro.com/ http://www.butlerofficepro.com/ebay It's certainly a modified version of OpenOffice. They don't mention OpenOffice nor do they provide source. Right down to the soffice.bin executable in the OS X package. Also check out http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2008-Office

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Kevin, ButlerPro is not one of our contributors. However, I'd be curious to know how you can see that they're using the OpenOffice.org codebase. Best Regards, Charles-H. Schulz. Kevin Ogden a écrit : http://www.butlerofficepro.com/ http://www.butlerofficepro.com/ebay It's certainly

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Hi Charles, * you see this in the screenshots on their website * you can download a trial version ** this trial version claims that on my box that a newer version of butler office is installed :-) ** The Windows version identifies itself in the about box as a build 9095 (OOE680m6). The Mac ver

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Martin my fault, I hadn't found the screenshots... Best, Charles. Martin Hollmichel a écrit : Hi Charles, * you see this in the screenshots on their website * you can download a trial version ** this trial version claims that on my box that a newer version of butler office is installed :-)

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
The Mac version looks like the Aqua build. All the libraries etc looks like what is found in a typical OOo install. CLosed license and impossibility to save anything with the trial version... Etc... Jean-Christophe Helary On 7 janv. 08, at 22:11, Martin Hollmichel wrote: Hi Charles, * yo

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Joseph Armbruster
All, I downloaded the free trial, here is a copy of the license agreement it comes with: Butler Software Solutions License Agreement Single User License PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") CAREFULLY BEFORE USING THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE. BY USING THE BUTLER

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Joseph Armbruster
All, I am not sure what this line means: IF THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE". Joseph Armbruster On Jan 7, 2008 9:46 AM, Joseph Armbruster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I downloaded the free trial, here is a copy of the licen

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Joseph Armbruster
All, IF THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE". So... by installing, I am violating the license agreement? Joseph Armbruster On Jan 7, 2008 9:47 AM, Joseph Armbruster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I am not sure what this line means:

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Marco Pratesi
On Monday 07 January 2008 15:50, Joseph Armbruster wrote: > All, > > IF THE BUTLER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE WAS ACCESSED > ELECTRONICALLY, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE". > > So... by installing, I am violating the license agreement? > > Joseph Armbruster > > On Jan 7, 2008 9:47 AM, Joseph Armbruster

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-07 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 14:11 +0100, Martin Hollmichel wrote: > I assume that also people who paid for the office also get no access > to > the source code. Not that it really matters, but as long as they redistribute a software covered by (L)GPL, the requirement of section 3 of the license still

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-08 Thread Linux Mercedes
Hubert Figuiere wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 14:11 +0100, Martin Hollmichel wrote: I assume that also people who paid for the office also get no access to the source code. Not that it really matters, but as long as they redistribute a software covered by (L)GPL, the requirement of sec

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-20 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 21 janv. 08, at 14:17, weekendadventure wrote: I understand the law correctly. In fact, I believe that at least two other companies use Ooo as its source-- NeoOffice and Staroffice; AND Staroffice also charges for the product but does not offer modifications as opensource. What is the

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-20 Thread weekendadventure
> Not that it really matters, but as long as they redistribute a software > covered by (L)GPL, the requirement of section 3 of the license still > apply. In short, they give away their "demo", anybody who receive said > demo is entitled to receive the source as per section 3 of the GPL.[1] D

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread weekendadventure
StarOffice uses OOo as a "library" and supposedly adds only "coating" to it. Hence it does not have to release its proprietary code. What do you mean by "coating"? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Probable-GPL-violations---Butler-Office-Pro-tp14662459p14998758.html Sent

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 21 janv. 08, at 23:51, weekendadventure wrote: StarOffice uses OOo as a "library" and supposedly adds only "coating" to it. Hence it does not have to release its proprietary code. What do you mean by "coating"? I mean that I think StarOffice adds things (like other librairies, or template

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread weekendadventure
I guess I would have to buy Staroffice to know for sure but I guess I just don't see the difference. Just because they might be associated directly with Ooo doesn't mean they do not have to abide by the GNU. I don't actually think any of the discussed companies are doing anything wrong but if the

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 07:16 -0800, weekendadventure wrote: > Coating by StarOffice is > still a violation Sun own the copyright of OpenOffice.org. Therefore they are not required to abide to the (L)GPL for code they own. Similarly, they can relicense the code under a different license to whoever

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread weekendadventure
They don't mention OpenOffice They don't have to mention Ooo-- just provide the open source license agreement. Also, they may be using an older version of Ooo license that allows for more loopholes. I have a feeling it's just a guy or 3 in a basement because the reply was instantaneous and

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread weekendadventure
Sun own the copyright of OpenOffice.org. Therefore they are not required to abide to the (L)GPL for code they own. Similarly, they can relicense the code under a different license to whoever they want. They do (own the copyright)? So they got people to do the programming for them through open

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread Rich
On 2008.01.21. 17:37, weekendadventure wrote: Sun own the copyright of OpenOffice.org. Therefore they are not required to abide to the (L)GPL for code they own. Similarly, they can relicense the code under a different license to whoever they want. They do (own the copyright)? So they got peop

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread weekendadventure
> > They do (own the copyright)? So they got people to do the programming for > them through open source and then copyright it and monopolize the ability > to hmm. well, actually, they bought stardivision and opensourced staroffice. guess what, it was named openoffice.org... Rich ---

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread Martin Hollmichel
weekendadventure wrote: Well, that might be different then. It is not what I had been told happened with Ooo but if you are correct that might make a difference. Please read http://about.openoffice.org/index.html for information about the historical backgrounds, So you are saying that they

Re: [dev] Probable GPL violations - Butler Office Pro

2008-01-21 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> Even so, they could not claim ownership of code developed by individuals who > were not compensated. "Compensation" has little or no relevance here. Only code submitted by contributors who has signed the Joint Copyright Assignment contract is accepted into the upstream OpenOffice.org codeba