is because it's
what's in the interest of your user community and just the general
public out there.
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Thanks for the detailed argument Jonathon.
Jeromy Evans wrote:
Niall Pemberton wrote:
I just saw the following comment
"FreeMarker is very similar to
by holding back on telling the
unvarnished truth about this kind of thing. I don't think that it's even
a favor to the Velocity community, though, you know, if some of the
blogs I have linked never shook them out of their complacency, I don't
know what would... :-)
Regards,
Jona
bandoned, surely
this is a bit much for even people around here to
swallow, isn't it?
Jonathan Revusky
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lead developer, FreeMarker project,
http://freemarker.org/
This is exactly like the split we had a few years ago
> when Patrick and I decided to start from scratch with
>
if you want to do something that's useful, focus on convenience for the
broad user base, not your own convenience.
Regards,
Jonathan Revusky
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work on Struts
1.x from getting actively involved, and all the while emit confused
messages claiming that Struts 1.x is not really being abandoned, surely
this is a bit much for even people around here to swallow, isn't it?
Jonathan Revusky
r position and power based on incumbency,
independently of how poor their performance has been, you obviously
don't have a meritocracy.
And the logic of this is actually inescapable, it seems. If you don't
have a meritocracy, you're not following the Apache Way.
Jonathan Revusk
n good at maintaining any forward technical
progress. Maybe, just maybe, this is because a culture where people all
nicely agree with one another is inherently kind of sterile, and nothing
new or innovative tends to emerge from such an environment.
Jon
t is happening here.
I'm
sure the King of England viewed the first Continental Congress as a
bunch of trolls before the revolution happened :)
Well, he would have had some other pejorative term(s) for them. But in
general, your point is well taken: people with strong opinions who
e
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
Question: looking at the status page, I don't seem to find any mention of
some of the licensing issues that were being discussed a while back...
IIRC, there was some concern about a calendar widget for example, among
other things. Am I just missing it on the page? Or ha
don't think I quite get the Apache Way yet. I need to get incubated
some more..."
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word! Would that be a first? Let's give it a go:
On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Daniel Warner wrote:
The
"meritocracy" idea at Apache is not about who does the work best.
It's just about who does the work. You do the work, you make
de
Daniel Warner wrote:
On 4/27/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dakota Jack wrote:
Doesn't this kind of talk sound goofy to you all? Isn't this reference to
the Apache Way sort of like a secret handshake and a silly hat?
It's all that, yes, but it's
and on. If they accepted the basic logic
of a meritocracy, Don and Ted and the rest would have to just resign and
let new people in.
Jonathan Revusky
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FreeMarker blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/
Let's say
what t
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is the kind of stupid, assinine comment
What is stupid or assinine about pointing out that your count is
incorrect?
It *is* incorrect. You counted 4 posts to the dev list. To quo
unt four (4) posts to the dev list in Greg Reddin's history"
I provided a URL which demonstrates that that statement is incorrect.
But if the actual count is 3 instead of 4, that reinforces Dakota's
point, doesn't it? (And even if it was 7 or 8....sheesh....)
You guys
get back to work" approach is surely doomed to failure.
As a guy who is also admin on a fairly well known open source project,
and has grappled with the issues, I would suggest (strongly) that you
find some other way of motivating people to do some heavy lifting.
Because the approach
rst-rate logical fallacy.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
then I believe this
incubation shouldn't become Struts 2.0 -- because names are well-established out
there and it's awkward to say it's Struts although the packages are webwork;
work after all.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
In my
opinion, a project needs to have a name, a single name, which one uses
to identify it. If we want to bring WebWork in as a new Struts
subproject, and that is an option, then I'm fine with that
or Webwork (rechristed Struts Action
2) to supersede Struts 1.x.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
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Well, yeah, of course they can do what they want. It's not my code in
this instance, so you have no particular need to pay much heed to me.
OTOH, I consider it likely that other people might feel that same unease
and not be expressing it...
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker proje
in some cases) contributed to. A lot of people put work into this and I
think it would be better to show some respect for the history of this
project that you are basically getting dropped in your lap.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker proj
nst the heritage,
but this entire process doesn't make any sense unless you're specficially
wanting to be rebranded as Struts.
Well, my guess is that the motivation of the Webwork people for this was
to *gain* the Apache/Struts name, not particularly to *lose* the Webwork
name. If Ap
hip on the best foot. The Struts
people will cry that they are so innocent and all (such wonderful
people) but surely there is some agenda in wanting to excise "webwork"
and "ww" from all the code, isn't there?
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeM
the heritage of the thing.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemrker.org/
Frank
Don Brown wrote:
Ok, after listening to all the feedback, here is my revised renaming
strategy proposal:
- com.opensymphony.webwork package -> org.apache.struts.ti
- WebWork* classes ->
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