> Trust me, you didn't miss anything. The things discussed offlist, as I do
> with yourself, Martin and others are almost always unrelated to decision
> making. I'm glad I was able to help Wendy and others get up to speed with
> what I had done so far with Maven, and since then she has far surpas
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Non-discussion emails
On 1/19/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So by its nature, chat is exclusionary. I agree that its more
expedient but it does not offer the chance for everyone to
participate. My personal view
> Once the chat transcript is posted, people can reply to it
> asynchronously, like anything else. Back when we were setting up
> Maven, James and Wendy mentioned that had a few chats while getting
> everything configured. If they were chatting in a place that was
> automatically transcripted, some
Sean, you write as if it's a zero-sum game. Sure, chat may exclude
those who aren't there, but it's not like decisions are only made in
chat rooms. I don't know of any way that code could be effectively
changed and committed from a chat room.
If people chat and decide to code something that
On 1/19/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So by its nature, chat is exclusionary. I agree that its more
> expedient but it does not offer the chance for everyone to
> participate. My personal view of open source is that its not about
> what is most efficient. You give up certain ef
On Jan 19, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Sean Schofield wrote:
A transcript is helpful but its basically a record of a conversation
that took place without everyone's involvement.
Seeing as how I *never* have time to participate in chat, transcripts
would provide me with way more involvement than I cur
The problem with chat is that not everyone is available to participate
at the designated time that people decide to have a chat. As I
mentioned earlier, there are timezone differences and day job
commitments that make it difficult for everyone to participate in a
discussion simultaneously.
So by
James,
We also agree that side conversations are no good, but that chat can be
helpful. To solve this, the WebWork forums have an XMPP chat room attached to
them, and each night the transcript of the chat is added to the forums:
http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=14656
I can se
On 1/18/06, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I may be mistaken, but AFAIK, Ted is the only person advocating the use of
> Confluence. (Well, until you got here, that is. ;) He's certainly the one
> who keeps bringing it up. The rest of us are happy enough to stick to the
> wiki that the A
On Jan 18, 2006, at 12:49 PM, faisal abdallah wrote:
It is also an un-unsubscribtion mailing list. Has anybody managed
to unsubscribe from this mailing list
Yes, several times using the information below.
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It is also an un-unsubscribtion mailing list. Has anybody managed to
unsubscribe from this mailing list
Greg Reddin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are several things I've been
thinking about as this discussion
has developed.
First, it is true with any craft, but especially with technology,
On Jan 18, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Laurie Harper wrote:
Just to point out the obvious: directing wiki/commit/issue logs to
separate lists in no way precludes having everything show up on the
dev list as well. We could have dev-svn@, dev-wiki@, dev-issues@,
etc plus dev-discuss@ and simply subsc
On 1/18/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sure, that is the standard open source way. It usually works great.
>
> I'm just confused. I thought that everything had to be blessed, endorsed,
> and signed off by the gods/lawyers/infrastructure folks of Apache. If most
> of the people
Just to point out the obvious: directing wiki/commit/issue logs to
separate lists in no way precludes having everything show up on the dev
list as well. We could have dev-svn@, dev-wiki@, dev-issues@, etc plus
dev-discuss@ and simply subscribe dev@ to each of those to obtain an
aggregate.
The
Yes, Matthew, you're right, my choce of words is unfortunate. We
discussed the idea of Contigix submitting a Repsonse to the RFP, but
the discussions broke down when we realized that there would not be a
good match.
Since you've opened the door, I'll post the last exchange I have on
the thread. If
> Unfortunately, Contegix did not respond to the
> Request for Proposal,
> and another host has been recommended to the board.
Ted, there seems to be a communication issue here. While we were happy to
receive the RFP, the date we received it gave us a nearly no time to respond -
less than 2 bus
On 1/18/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure, that is the standard open source way. It usually works great.
>
> I'm just confused. I thought that everything had to be blessed, endorsed, and
> signed off
> by the gods/lawyers/infrastructure folks of Apache. If most of the people
Sure, that is the standard open source way. It usually works great.
I'm just confused. I thought that everything had to be blessed, endorsed, and
signed off by the gods/lawyers/infrastructure folks of Apache. If most of the
people working on Struts Action prefer Confluence and JIRA, is there any
At 9:10 AM -0600 1/18/06, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd just like to point out that this message, being a simple one-liner
without any context quoted back, is more appropriate to a forum than to
a mailinglist, where the context is more likely to get separated from
the reply. I fear that, if thi
I'd just like to point out that this message, being a simple one-liner
without any context quoted back, is more appropriate to a forum than to
a mailinglist, where the context is more likely to get separated from
the reply. I fear that, if this style grows due to access via a forum,
this mailing l
There are several things I've been thinking about as this discussion
has developed.
First, it is true with any craft, but especially with technology,
that we must always be willing to change when better ways come
along. Otherwise we stagnate and fade away. So if I would be more
producti
On 1/17/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Jive Forums certainly can filter the email, and I may turn that on, but
> then I've bypassed
> the team rather than working with them. I don't like that approach at all.
I think most of the "old-school" committers would have gone ahead
Fair enough to wait a few months while infrastructure sorts things out.
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Posted via Jive Forums
http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=14616&messageID=29056#29056
Committers obviously need to have oversight of everything - wiki, bugs, commits
and posted messages, but thats a limited number of us and easy to ensure that
we're fully subscribed up to everything.
For other community members Jive is excellent and I think this is a great
addition to support co
On 1/17/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thoughts? I understand that this does involve some work, and for those of you
> who are
> quite happy with how things are now, it may seem like a waste of time. As
> such, I'm
> more than willing to do the actual work for any proposed sol
Unfortunately, Contegix did not respond to the Request for Proposal,
and another host has been recommended to the board. When the host
takes over, hopefully we will be able to try more things, but that's
still several months down the road. If for some reason, the new host
didn't work out, I'm sure
Wow, seems like there is a lot of push back on this topic. All I ask Please
respect that Jason and I (as well as the WebWork community) come from a very
well-established open source community and have a lot of alternative experience
in this area. We both have different perspectives, but this mer
I don't think anyone, and certainly not I, is arguing that wiki and ticket messages are somehow less important, only
that they are different, and perhaps viewed at different times or in different ways.
Just as those that prefer mail clients heavily use folders to sort their mail, I've found RSS
On 1/17/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to see a compromise where I could sign up for mailing list that only
> contains
> discussions, yet track tickets,
> wiki updates, and commits via RSS. This discussion-only mailing list could
> be a second
> mailing list that just
> auto
Sort of also going off tangent again, but I can't sing the praises enough about
Contegix and their hosting service. I know there are plenty of legal concerns
that Ted tried explaining to me that might prevent them from being used, but if
those can be worked around or addressed in another way, I
On 1/17/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's great for folks that manage their information via email and email
> folders, but not all do. I'm finding myself
> use RSS more and more to manage project, hobby, and personal information,
> leaving email only for correspondences that I
>
On 1/17/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1/17/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > BTW, there was talk of switching to JIRA a while back. I'm still +1
> > for that. Its a much nicer system and I find it less cumbersome then
> > bugzilla. My point here is that its mor
That's great for folks that manage their information via email and email folders, but not all do. I'm finding myself
use RSS more and more to manage project, hobby, and personal information, leaving email only for correspondences that I
need to respond to.
I'd like to see a compromise where I
On 1/17/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > IMHO, it sounds like Jive is not up to the task of managing an
> > ASF-style dev list. Any decent mailreader can filter mails into
> > whatever folders we find convenient, creating the personal equivalent
> > of five or six separate lists,
Of course http://struts.roomity.com is both (as is news.gmane.org)
(It's a nail, I am the hammer)
.V
To that end, mailing lists work, and forums do not.
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On 1/17/06, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, there was talk of switching to JIRA a while back. I'm still +1
> for that. Its a much nicer system and I find it less cumbersome then
> bugzilla. My point here is that its more tempting to "reply" to the
> bug in the proper place.
Web
> IMHO, it sounds like Jive is not up to the task of managing an
> ASF-style dev list. Any decent mailreader can filter mails into
> whatever folders we find convenient, creating the personal equivalent
> of five or six separate lists, if that's what someone wants.
GMail also has *excellent* searc
My 2 cents (I know, you were dying to know how I feel ;):
I want to be a part of this (and many other) communities, and that
means keeping up to date with the discussions that happen for a given
project.
To that end, mailing lists work, and forums do not. It's nice to be
able to filter m
On 1/17/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I definitely understand where you are coming from, and I hope you can see
> where I'm
> coming from. Often when people have different work behaviors, the best bet is
> to provide
> more options. This can be done by somehow allowing indivi
I agree with Ted about the importance of mailing lists. Mailing lists
are the "Apache Way." The only time I have used off-llist
communication is during an infrastructure move where we needed to
rapidly complete several steps in a short period of time. Even then
the basic outline of work was agre
Ted,
I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but you seem to imply that I don't have
any experience with this sort of stuff. I do.
We too at OpenSymphony use mailing lists quite heavily (as does every other
decent open source project out there). However, as technologies like RSS have
grown more p
e forums should cover all the
traffic, because all the traffic is there for a reason.
-Ted.
On 1/16/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just realzied that the non-discussion emails (bugs, wiki, and commits) are
> going in to the forums. The account that is subscribed
I just realzied that the non-discussion emails (bugs, wiki, and commits) are
going in to the forums. The account that is subscribed is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is
there any way we can disable those other emails to that account
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