Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-07-02 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Sun, 21 May 2023 20:27:54 +0300 Greg Minshall wrote: > 40+ years ago (working on the Illiac-IV!), i blew up at a co-worker, > accused him of being a thief, etc. i was livid. > > my boss, whom i respected a lot, called me in and basically said, "You > don't have to like so-and-so. But, here

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2023-07-02 Thread fossy
Well said, Sagar. GNU is great and all... except.. it's not. It has flaws in it's core philosophies or well.. just practices. > Large free software is not real free software. To customize one's software to one's needs, one has to understand it, tweak it and improve it. Bloated large free software

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2023-07-02 Thread fossy
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 03:50:20PM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:14:56AM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > > > > Hey, Fossy, > > > > > > > > > > please be mindful of how you style your e-mails, when there is a quoted > > > > > text, it is necessary to have an 'arrow

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2023-07-02 Thread fossy
OpenSMTPD? Let me guess, it's included within OpenBSD? :P Well.. I'll need like 3 things from it.. 1st be minimal - which I bet OpenSMTPD is. 2nd be written in C - I hope it is. 3rd be anonymous-friendly.. like I suppose pledge and unveil.. so since we're on OpenBSD, that's a check as well. Sounds

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2023-07-02 Thread fossy
> On 1 July 2023 7:50:20 am NZST, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > >Vim is also bloated as hell at over 70 SLOC (including comments and > >everything, wc -l).. I'd rather just use pre-installed `vi`.. > >I did use Vim in the past. I do miss it, that's why I started my own text > >editor that will be (I

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2023-07-01 Thread Sagar Acharya
Large free software is not real free software. To customize one's software to one's needs, one has to understand it, tweak it and improve it. Bloated large free software does none. Almost all GNU software is like that. It is unfortunate but one of the key reasons why GNU software survives is be

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2023-06-30 Thread Marcel Plch
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 03:50:20PM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:14:56AM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > > > Hey, Fossy, > > > > > > > > please be mindful of how you style your e-mails, when there is a quoted > > > > text, it is necessary to have an 'arrow' [>] at the

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2023-06-30 Thread Sagar Acharya
OpenSMTPD, the only sanely configurable mailserver. I use nano and mousepad. They are extremely minimal and fantastic! I need just some basic features in an editor like syntax highlighting, block indent and it's reverse, ability to edit :P , and nothing more! Thanking you Sagar Acharya https://h

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2023-06-30 Thread Miles Rout
On 1 July 2023 7:50:20 am NZST, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: >Vim is also bloated as hell at over 70 SLOC (including comments and >everything, wc -l).. I'd rather just use pre-installed `vi`.. >I did use Vim in the past. I do miss it, that's why I started my own text >editor that will be (I hope) as m

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2023-06-30 Thread fossy
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:14:56AM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > > Hey, Fossy, > > > > > > please be mindful of how you style your e-mails, when there is a quoted > > > text, it is necessary to have an 'arrow' [>] at the start of each line, > > > otherwise it is not considered a quoted text. F

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2023-06-29 Thread Marcel Plch
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:14:56AM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > Hey, Fossy, > > > > please be mindful of how you style your e-mails, when there is a quoted > > text, it is necessary to have an 'arrow' [>] at the start of each line, > > otherwise it is not considered a quoted text. For example,

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2023-06-29 Thread fossy
> Hey, Fossy, > > please be mindful of how you style your e-mails, when there is a quoted > text, it is necessary to have an 'arrow' [>] at the start of each line, > otherwise it is not considered a quoted text. For example, this part: > > > > I don't think anyone is shocked by your messages. They

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2023-06-28 Thread Marcel Plch
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 12:22:16PM -0400, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > On 24 June 2023 7:13:48 am NZST, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > >I understand what you are talking about... I once told someone "go kill > > >yourself" or "I you die", never again.. > > > > > >I do understand that there are sensitive so

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives [w/ bonus oneliner]

2023-06-28 Thread fossy
> On 24 June 2023 7:13:48 am NZST, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > >I understand what you are talking about... I once told someone "go kill > >yourself" or "I you die", never again.. > > > >I do understand that there are sensitive souls out there, but they are > >coal of > >a fire which gets started by gov

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-06-23 Thread Miles Rout
On 24 June 2023 7:13:48 am NZST, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: >I understand what you are talking about... I once told someone "go kill >yourself" or "I you die", never again.. > >I do understand that there are sensitive souls out there, but they are >coal of >a fire which gets started by governments and c

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-06-23 Thread fossy
> Greetings fossy and friends, > > Please consider reading the ancient RFC1855 on Netiquitte and saving it > to your bookmarks. Many great ideas that should be obvious have been > forgotten thanks to the profit-driven anti-privacy Zeitgeist. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1855.html >

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-06-23 Thread fossy
> On May 21, 2023 4:19:06 PM UTC, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > >> Not sure I understand this correctly, but I think it's similar to what I > >> wanted to add to the thread; let me phrase it differently: abusing the > >> free speech argument to justify tone and style is just as harmful as > >> (self-)cen

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-23 Thread Spenser Truex
Greetings fossy and friends, Please consider reading the ancient RFC1855 on Netiquitte and saving it to your bookmarks. Many great ideas that should be obvious have been forgotten thanks to the profit-driven anti-privacy Zeitgeist. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1855.html Also, ESR's H

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-21 Thread Delete
On May 21, 2023 4:19:06 PM UTC, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: >> Not sure I understand this correctly, but I think it's similar to what I >> wanted to add to the thread; let me phrase it differently: abusing the >> free speech argument to justify tone and style is just as harmful as >> (self-)censorship. F

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-21 Thread Greg Minshall
40+ years ago (working on the Illiac-IV!), i blew up at a co-worker, accused him of being a thief, etc. i was livid. my boss, whom i respected a lot, called me in and basically said, "You don't have to like so-and-so. But, here at work, I expect you to treat him with respect." i changed my beha

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-21 Thread fossy
> Not sure I understand this correctly, but I think it's similar to what I > wanted to add to the thread; let me phrase it differently: abusing the > free speech argument to justify tone and style is just as harmful as > (self-)censorship. Freedom of speach is about ideas and messages. > > cheers >

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-21 Thread fossy
> Hi there, > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:04 PM wrote: > > DISCLAIMER: a shittily-put rant which should be useful, hopefully. Sorry, my > > eyes hurt a lot already.. god fucking dammit :( > > > > You wanted a simple reply? You got a fucking storm lmao, enjoy. > > Talk to your green supplier, that

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-15 Thread syg
Hi, > Yep. That is true. I didn't think of that at all! But then, why do > current WiFi, etc. work at 2.4GHz, if device speeds aren't at those > levels? I am not an expert but my understanding is that chips really don't bother with sampling radio signals at those speeds, it would be extremely cost

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-14 Thread Josuah Demangeon
To anyone who was genuinely interested in the topic: Since Arduino was pointed out, something on that level that is very widely used is the ESP32: https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/latest/esp32/hw-reference/esp32/get-started-ethernet-kit.html It happens that WiFi is cheap: a piece o

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-14 Thread David Brooke
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 05:18:53PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote: > Yep. That is true. I didn't think of that at all! But then, why do current > WiFi, etc. work at 2.4GHz, if device speeds aren't at those levels? The choice of radio frequency will be based on suitability (available bandwidth, propag

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-13 Thread Sagar Acharya
Yep. That is true. I didn't think of that at all! But then, why do current WiFi, etc. work at 2.4GHz, if device speeds aren't at those levels? I'll try wireless transmissions of files at 10MHz then in the lower frequency regions. Then by replacing hardware, maybe I'll just have to change a singl

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-13 Thread David Brooke
A simpler alternative to WiFi is to use wires 8-) Seriously, the radio frequency techniques necessary to provide sufficient throughput for today's applications are inevitably complex. On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 05:43:04PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote: > What I'm trying to find is a simple C program wh

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-13 Thread ssd
Hi, * Laslo Hunhold 2023-05-13 09:51 Even though I absolutely am for free speech and against censorship, especially self-censorship due to "political correctness" (slippery slope), what good is free speech when nobody listens? This happens both when there's little signal over noise and the threa

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-13 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 12:05:24AM -0700, Jeremy wrote: > On 05/13/23 10:55AM, NRK wrote: > > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 10:10:31PM +0200, Yan Doroshenko wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite, > > > respectful and to the point di

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-13 Thread Jeremy
On 05/13/23 10:55AM, NRK wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 10:10:31PM +0200, Yan Doroshenko wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite, > > respectful and to the point discussion regarding the topic at hand. I was > > immensely pleased to

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread NRK
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 10:10:31PM +0200, Yan Doroshenko wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite, > respectful and to the point discussion regarding the topic at hand. I was > immensely pleased to have witnessed such a splendid display of a

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Anselm Garbe
Hi there, On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:04 PM wrote: > DISCLAIMER: a shittily-put rant which should be useful, hopefully. Sorry, my > eyes hurt a lot already.. god fucking dammit :( > > You wanted a simple reply? You got a fucking storm lmao, enjoy. Talk to your green supplier, that they should doub

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Yan Doroshenko
Hello everyone, I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite, respectful and to the point discussion regarding the topic at hand. I was immensely pleased to have witnessed such a splendid display of a real community spirit as well as an immense level of professionalism.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Hiltjo Posthuma
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:39:43AM -0700, Jeremy wrote: > On 05/12/23 08:27AM, Lee Phillips wrote: > > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block > > access to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage > > in my inbox. I have plenty of other kind

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Jeremy
On 05/12/23 08:27AM, Lee Phillips wrote: > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access > to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my > inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already. > > > Lee Though I don't appreciate Mr.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread fossy
> On Fri, 12 May 2023 08:27:07 -0600 > Lee Phillips wrote: > > > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already. > > Good. Fuck off back t

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread fossy
> am not one of them (I have a banana IQ), but assume whoever is choose to work > with people not insulting them. You're damn right about the banana IQ part. Snowflake attitudes leads to censorship which leads to unfairness, anger, rage, and ultimately, among other things: shootings on wrong peop

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread fossy
> why would he interleave every sentense with swearing. Because I believe in freedom of speech, and well - I just want to be whoever the fuck I am, and what I am is what was presented (except for the "draft" which was explained and is below. > {1} does not work well with {2}... how about rewritin

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread fossy
> It's pretty clear that you don't know enough about the internet, its protocols > and how communication and addressing works. It's a complex mess and what > you're trying to do won't work. You should acquire basic knowledge in order > to ask more precise questions or, more importantly, answer them

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Dave Blanchard
On Fri, 12 May 2023 08:27:07 -0600 Lee Phillips wrote: > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access > to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my > inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already. Good. Fuck off back to yo

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Josuah Demangeon
fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > > > > How am I a troll, and more importantly: so what if you don't like > swearwords? I > also don't like many things about you, for example you being a little > worthless > snowflake. > > Sweardwords is literally just a list

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Sagar Acharya
Let us get back this conversation on track. What I'm trying to find is a simple C program which can be run on Arduino and analog pins connected to an antenna. I did read this book "IPv6 essentials". What I want is a single C programs which distributed packets to say, 5 connected devices. The log

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Lee Phillips
Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already. Lee

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread fossy
> On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > How am I a troll, and more importantly: so what if you don't like swearwords? I also don't like many things about you, for example you being a little worthless snowflake. Sweardwords is literally just a list of words that are taboo-ed by the majorit

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Josuah Demangeon
Страхиња Радић wrote: > On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: > Good point: if the author cares about the project presented, why would he interleave every sentense with swearing. > This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another > Reddit (which, for those who migh

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Tom Schwindl
Hi Sagar, On Wed May 10, 2023 at 8:38 PM CEST, Sagar Acharya wrote: > I think routers ought to be way simpler than they currently are. I wonder if > y'all can recommend me some minimal C code which can be used as a router. > > I think that if the analog pins of arduino are connected to an antenna

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-12 Thread Страхиња Радић
On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote: This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool). signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-11 Thread fossy
NOTE: verify by research, I not only cannot be arsed to provide 100% sure information, but you shouldn't trust me, and frankly - I am in no health.. doing more than I should already :( DISCLAIMER: a shittily-put rant which should be useful, hopefully. Sorry, my eyes hurt a lot already.. god fuckin

[dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

2023-05-10 Thread Sagar Acharya
I think routers ought to be way simpler than they currently are. I wonder if y'all can recommend me some minimal C code which can be used as a router. I think that if the analog pins of arduino are connected to an antenna, and a C code similar to, while 1     If (switch_1==1)        create_conn