Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-19 Thread Dimitris Zenios
Hi guys. There are still issues that affect versions up to 5.3.6 ( https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-2025). Maybe we can bulk close all the issues prior tapestry 5.3 version (Notifying users to upgrade to a newer version and check if the issue still exists) and have a manual one by one

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Bob Harner
Robert Z. has volunteered to prune the list manually. I think we should see where that gets us. Let's not forget that every bug report represents a significant investment of time by a Tapestry user who earnestly wants to make the framework better, and we definitely want to encourage that. A few

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Ok, so we keep piling them up because we don't want to hurt people's feelings? Don't you think that people deserve to be told the truth: Guys, we are sorry, but this stuff is old, we most likely won't look at it ever because we have a lot of other tasks with higher priorities, but if you feel

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Bob Harner
Uli, my only objection is to bulk closing the issues. On Dec 18, 2012 6:52 AM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote: Ok, so we keep piling them up because we don't want to hurt people's feelings? Don't you think that people deserve to be told the truth: Guys, we are sorry, but this stuff is

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Felix Gonschorek
This is not directly related, but: I would love to help by submitting patches (at least for my bug report: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1941), but it's really hard to get tapestry running from source in eclipse (and i work with eclipse and java based projects every day). I will open

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Ulrich Stärk
And my objection is to wasting resources on going through every issue and in the end still closing most of them. If Robert wants to spend the time on it, I'm all for it. But I really want to see the list of open issues significantly reduced in the near future and I believe that the mose time

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Kalle Korhonen
Uli, let's not make this a religious argument. If we all compromise a bit we'll see that everyone wants the same thing, a smaller open bug count. Can we just wait a bit for bulk closing anything, and in the meanwhile keep sending a message that the time to take a look at the open issues is right

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Lenny Primak
Agreed. I think that if after owner notification and about a month waiting period, the issue can be closed. On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: Uli, let's not make this a religious argument. If we all compromise a bit we'll see that everyone wants

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Ulrich Stärk
On 18.12.2012 18:29, Kalle Korhonen wrote: Uli, let's not make this a religious argument. If we all compromise a bit I'm not making this a religious argument. I simply don't see why we should delay cleaning the list any longer or put any of our valuable energy in outdated stuff. That's simply

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
We should define some tags that can be used to mark issues that are either likely to be picked up, or likely to be closed. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote: On 18.12.2012 18:29, Kalle Korhonen wrote: Uli, let's not make this a religious argument. If we

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-18 Thread Ulrich Stärk
That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I don't want us to manually go through the list because I fear that we'll tend to be rather inclusive and won't let go of the old stuff. If someone wants to pick up an issue, they can just assign it to themselves and the issue automatically disappears

Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Reading [1] a while back made me think of the status of our own bug database. According to [2] we have 114 open, unassigned bugs in our tracker for Tapestry 5.1 and 5.0 and even 172 when I include those where no version number has been specified. Those bugs are unlikely to get resolved, many of

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote: I am inclined to bulk close these with a message that the reporter is free to check if the issue still persists with a more recent version of the framework. Thoughts? I do agree, totally. Plus thanks for taking care.

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
+1 I think we can get away with this approach ; so much it no longer relevant in 5.4. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Massimo Lusetti mluse...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote: I am inclined to bulk close these with a message that the

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Bob Harner
I'd be more cautious. Some of the open issues contain good ideas that simply lack an interested committer. I agree that most should be closed, but a blind bulk action seems unwise. On Dec 17, 2012 1:20 PM, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I think we can get away with this approach

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
Well, we need some plan to tame the list. It's so cluttered that its hard to find important things to work on. There's lots of duplicates, and lots of things that I think can be closed as lacking sufficient detail to proceed. This is also one of those areas that can be addressed by someone who

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
I think I can find some time over the course of this week to go through the list of tickets. Robert On Dec 17, 2012, at 12/178:31 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: Well, we need some plan to tame the list. It's so cluttered that its hard to find important things to work on. There's lots of

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Ulrich Stärk
Folks, there is no sense in hording issues that we know will never be addressed and that do nothing else but clutter our issue tracker and block our view on the really useful ones. Please overcome the gatherer in you. Even the best idea won't help us if there is nobody interested in