(cross-posting to make sure this is not missed; please respond in
dev-planning or bug#847727)
tl,dr: we're moving replication of gecko+gaia repos to more robust
systems. This email gives quick status, and summary of rollout plan.
In the rush to B2G 1.0 release, we had to quickly stand up r
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Ed Morley wrote:
> On 30 August 2013 15:14:54, Ed Morley wrote:
> >For platform:
> >https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
> >
> >For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
> >https://hg.mozilla.org/release
On 8/30/13 5:03 PM, ISHIKAWA,chiaki wrote:
(2013/08/31 6:16), Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
On 8/30/2013 3:59 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
Aside from obvious "I don't want to change" complaints, are there any
objections to this change? Is anyone not able to
run the mach testing commands today? Are there
(2013/08/31 6:16), Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
On 8/30/2013 3:59 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
Aside from obvious "I don't want to change" complaints, are there any
objections to this change? Is anyone not able to
run the mach testing commands today? Are there features missing from the mach
commands? P
Steve Fink wrote:
On Mon 19 Aug 2013 01:15:51 PM PDT, Neil wrote:
Does Linux have a debugging story? On Windows x86 I can happily let the
application run and when it crashes I click Debug and WinDbg is launched for
me, and I can inspect the crash state and possibly fix things up and resume
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:58:25AM +0200, Julian Seward wrote:
> What we have works, but is less than ideal in a number of ways:
>
> (1) It's slow. CFI/EXIDX unwinding with Breakpad costs about 6600
> instructions/frame, or around 120+K/instructions per stack trace.
> That makes it infeas
On 8/30/2013 3:59 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
Aside from obvious "I don't want to change" complaints, are there any
objections to this change? Is anyone not able to run the mach testing
commands today? Are there features missing from the mach commands?
Please file bugs!
Mach and comm-central do
tl;dr the tree currently allows you to run tests via make targets and
mach. The mach commands are more intuitive and easier to support going
forward, so I'm proposing we remove support for using make targets to
run tests. Please take the survey at
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H5LB2GF to respon
The assertions that we have to catch refcounting objects on the wrong
thread are now fatal in opt builds. This change is scoped to the nightly
channel to avoid performance penalties on builds that are widely used, and
will not propagate to aurora. See bug 907914 for more details.
The motivation
On 8/30/13 13:41, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Where did the text file come from? There's a source somewhere... And
these days that's hardly how people create content anyway.
Maybe not for the content _you_ consume, but the Internet is a bit
larger than our ivory tower.
Check out, for example:
On 2013-08-30 3:17 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
On 8/30/13 14:11, Adam Roach wrote:
...helping the user understand why the headline they're trying to
read renders as "Ð' Ð"оÑ?дÑfме пÑEURедложили
оÑ,обÑEURаÑ,ÑOE "Ð?обелÑ?" Ñf Ðz(бамÑ< " rather than "?
??? ?? ???
On 8/30/13 12:24, Mike Hoye wrote:
On 2013-08-30 11:17 AM, Adam Roach wrote:
It seems to me that there's an important balance here between (a)
letting developers discover their configuration error and (b)
allowing users to render misconfigured content without specialized
knowledge.
For what
On 8/30/13 14:11, Adam Roach wrote:
...helping the user understand why the headline they're trying to read
renders as "Ð' Ð"оÑ?дÑfме пÑEURедложили
оÑ,обÑEURаÑ,ÑOE "Ð?обелÑ?" Ñf Ðz(бамÑ< " rather than "?
??? ?? "??" ? ?".
Well, *there's* a h
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
> The problem I have with this approach is that it assumes that the page is
> authored by someone who definitively knows the charset, which is not a
> scenario which universally holds. Suppose you have a page that serves up the
> contents of
On 8/30/2013 4:01 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
We don't want people to try and move to UTF-8, but move back because
they haven't figured out how (or are technically unable) to label it
correctly and "it comes out all wrong".
You also don'
On 08/30/2013 06:27 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
>>> Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a syscall is
>>> important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
>> I am not proposing to lose that facility
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Chris Peterson wrote:
> Is there a less error-prone default we can recommend to Linux distribution
> packagers? Maybe we can squelch the problem upstream instead of adding
> browser hacks. The number of web server and distro packagers we would need
> to reach out t
On 8/30/13 3:03 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
Telemetry data suggests that these days the more common reason for
seeing mojibake is that there is an encoding declaration but it is
wrong. My guess is that this arises from Linux distributions silently
changing their Apache defaults to send a charset pa
On 2013-08-30 11:17 AM, Adam Roach wrote:
It seems to me that there's an important balance here between (a)
letting developers discover their configuration error and (b) allowing
users to render misconfigured content without specialized knowledge.
For what it's worth Internet Explorer handled
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Eric Shepherd wrote:
> On 2013-08-30 16:13:50 +, Jesper Kristensen said:
>
>> I use http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/json/firefox_versions.json
>> I use that because that was what the download button on www.mozilla.org did.
>> I don't know if the downl
On 2013-08-30 11:07 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
- Original Message -
Nevermind, I think your solution is talking about function addresses,
not stack frames.
If you think my solution is talking about function addresses, then I have
explained something poorly. Why do you think it is talkin
On 2013-08-30 16:13:50 +, Jesper Kristensen said:
I use http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/json/firefox_versions.json
I use that because that was what the download button on www.mozilla.org
did. I don't know if the download button still uses that resource.
This is an interesting
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote:
> On 8/30/13 7:09 AM, Eric Shepherd wrote:
>
>> This is sort-of-kind-of platform related, but only indirectly, so let me
>> know if there's a better place to ask this question, please.
>>
>> If a web page needs to be able to display the curre
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 01:45:51PM -0300, Reuben Morais wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Eric Shepherd wrote:
> > On 2013-08-30 16:13:50 +, Jesper Kristensen said:
> >
> >> I use
> >> http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/json/firefox_versions.json
> >> I use that because that was
On 8/30/13 7:09 AM, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This is sort-of-kind-of platform related, but only indirectly, so let me
know if there's a better place to ask this question, please.
If a web page needs to be able to display the current release version of
Gecko, is there a place we can pull that informa
On 2013-08-30 16:01:21 +, Axel Hecht said:
This is going to be off by one release for one week out of 6, though.
We're doing the beta-release migration at release minus a week and a
day, i.e., we're migrating on Sept 9, and release on Sept 17:
https://mail.mozilla.com/home/ake...@mozilla
Hey all,
product-details on svn would be the right place to that information.
Release Management updates these every time we have a new version out for
Desktop/Mobile across all release channels - Aurora,Beta,Release(including dot
release :) ).
Here is the wiki with details on exact changes we
I use http://svn.mozilla.org/libs/product-details/json/firefox_versions.json
I use that because that was what the download button on www.mozilla.org
did. I don't know if the download button still uses that resource.
Den 30-08-2013 16:09Eric Shepherd skrev:
This is sort-of-kind-of platform rel
On 8/30/13 4:14 PM, Ed Morley wrote:
On 30 August 2013 15:09:08, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This could even be a place in the source code we could pull up a MXR
link and peel out of the code. I just don't know where in the code to
get it.
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release
On 8/30/13 05:08, Nicholas Nethercote wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
I think we should encourage Web authors to use UTF-8 *and* to *declare* it.
I'm no expert on this stuff, but Henri's point sure sound sensible to me.
It seems to me that there's an important
- Original Message -
> Nevermind, I think your solution is talking about function addresses,
> not stack frames.
If you think my solution is talking about function addresses, then I have
explained something poorly. Why do you think it is talking about function
addresses?
-Nathan
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On 2013-08-30 10:16 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
- Original Message -
Depending on how deep the call stack is and how frequently we push and pop
stack frames, being able to not unwind some number of frames can be a
significant savings.
Isn't this assuming that the stack frames are unique? H
On 2013-08-30 14:14:54 +, Ed Morley said:
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/browser/config/version.txt
This is exact
On 30 August 2013 15:14:54, Ed Morley wrote:
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Firefox (and yeah currently the same as platform):
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/browser/config/version.txt
(Although you'll w
(I like Ed's answer more, though)
On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Johnathan Nightingale wrote:
> I don't know if it will serve your purposes, but wiki.mo does have:
>
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CURRENT_VERSION
>
> and derivatives:
>
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:BETA_VERSION
> htt
I don't know if it will serve your purposes, but wiki.mo does have:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CURRENT_VERSION
and derivatives:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:BETA_VERSION
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:AURORA_VERSION
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Template:CENTRAL_VERSION
Doesn't do poi
- Original Message -
> > Depending on how deep the call stack is and how frequently we push and pop
> > stack frames, being able to not unwind some number of frames can be a
> > significant savings.
>
> Isn't this assuming that the stack frames are unique? How would you handle
> recursion
On 30 August 2013 15:09:08, Eric Shepherd wrote:
This could even be a place in the source code we could pull up a MXR
link and peel out of the code. I just don't know where in the code to
get it.
For platform:
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/tip/config/milestone.txt
For Fi
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> In particular, you need to decide on the encoding before you start
> running any user script, because you don't want document.characterSet
> etc. to change once it might have already been accessed. For
> performance reasons, we want to be abl
This is sort-of-kind-of platform related, but only indirectly, so let
me know if there's a better place to ask this question, please.
If a web page needs to be able to display the current release version
of Gecko, is there a place we can pull that information from, so that
the content doesn't
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> > > Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a
> syscall is
> > > important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
> >
> > I am not proposin
On 2013-08-30 13:07:14 +, Jean-Yves Perrier said:
You didn't forget our monthly Virtual Doc Sprint starting in about 2
hours in #devmo! Even if late, join us!
https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Doc_sprints/2013August
Ping us on #devmo for anything.
And if you don't "write English", please con
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
> This is true if you run the heuristic over the entire byte stream.
> Unfortunately, since we support incremental loading of HTML (and will
> have to continue to do so), we don't have the entire byte stream
> available at the time when we nee
- Original Message -
> On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> > Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a syscall is
> > important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
>
> I am not proposing to lose that facility. Am only proposing (really,
> merely parrot
On 2013-08-30, at 4:58 AM, Julian Seward wrote:
> I am very tempted to create a new custom unwind library designed
> specifically to support SPS. It needs to be fast, lower-footprint,
> and multithreaded. Unlike Breakpad, it will -- at least initially --
> avoid supporting all Tier 1 targets, a
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>
> I think we should encourage Web authors to use UTF-8 *and* to *declare* it.
I'm no expert on this stuff, but Henri's point sure sound sensible to me.
Nick
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> All the discussion of fallback character encodings has reminded me of an
> issue I've been meaning to bring up for some time: As a user of the en-US
> localization, nowadays the overwhelmingly most common situation where I see
> mojibake is w
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Julian Seward wrote:
> That said, AFAICS the core problem is that once a thread blocks and we drop
> the sampling rate, we have no obvious (direct, notification-based) way to
> know when it has resumed, and hence are in danger of losing high-frequency
> samples in
On 08/30/2013 11:07 AM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> Being able to sample uniformly whether or not the thread is in a syscall is
> important sometimes, so let's not lose that.
I am not proposing to lose that facility. Am only proposing (really,
merely parroting Taras' suggestion) that it would be n
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Julian Seward wrote:
> I am not sure how to deal with (4). Really it's completely unrelated
> to the unwind mechanism -- it has to do with SPS' sampling policy at
> the level above. There have been some ideas floated around to detect
> when a thread is in a sysc
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
> We don't want people to try and move to UTF-8, but move back because
> they haven't figured out how (or are technically unable) to label it
> correctly and "it comes out all wrong".
You also don't want it to be wrong half of the time. Give
For a while now, Fennec and Linux-desktop nightlies have had the
built-in SPS-based time profiling using native stack unwinding. The
unwinding is done using our in-tree Breakpad copy, which includes a
bunch of speedup patches that are slowly making their way upstream.
What we have works, but is
On 29/08/13 19:41, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> All the discussion of fallback character encodings has reminded me of an
> issue I've been meaning to bring up for some time: As a user of the
> en-US localization, nowadays the overwhelmingly most common situation
> where I see mojibake is when a site puts
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