Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:15 AM, wrote: > 1. Enhance browser tiles: many sites have nice logos/icons, and they have an > application-name. I want to show the application-name and icon or logo them > in tiles in the new tab page. This seems possible using + . > 2. Page previews suck today: t

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 14 July 2015 at 23:00, wrote: > A few people have reached out to me with concerns about implementing web > manifest in Gecko and have asked me to restart this thread (given that no > one objected the first time around). There are concerns about the utility > of Web manifests, the overall visio

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:00 PM, wrote: > > Some of the things raised: > > * It's not clear what problems manifest solves: do we really want to > replicate "native app" installation behavior on the Web? We don't have a good > history of making this work in various products. > * Extra HTTP req

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 15 July 2015 at 10:42, Jonas Sicking wrote: > But it'd be *really* nice to get rid of features that are there > specifically to migrate users away from the web and to native Android > and iOS apps. If google/apple wants to implement that then that's fine > with me, it's their browsers. I just

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Francis
On 15 July 2015 at 10:42, Jonas Sicking wrote: > I also think that "display-mode" and "orientation" (and maybe > "theme_color") properties seem to make much less sense given the > current model of manifests. That seems like information that we'd want > to apply during normal browsing too, which m

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread marcos
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 3:34:42 PM UTC+10, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:00 AM, wrote: > > * It's not clear what problems manifest solves > > This is by far the biggest problem. I think we ended up with manifests > because packages have manifests and iOS/Android u

Re: Intent to ship Service Worker Notification API

2015-07-15 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
Yes, please! On 2015-07-14 3:22 PM, nsm.nik...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Target release: Firefox 42 Implementation and shipping bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=1114554 Specification: https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/#service-worker-api This is a follow up to the N

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:12 PM, wrote: > Do we even agree on the above? I agree with some of it... But, I don't really see the point of trying to merge web and native (other than turning the browser into the OS). And I really don't see the point of trying to play by native's rules when doing so

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Martin Thomson
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:12 AM, wrote: > some people believe that web applications should be "installable" I don't subscribe to that theory. The web is comprised of pages, not apps. (I mostly agree with Alex, but not regarding the perceived need for "app discoverability"; I hear Google has a

API documentation/evangelism/development teams meeting Thursday at 8 AM PDT

2015-07-15 Thread Eric Shepherd
The Web API documentation community meeting, with representatives from the technical evangelism and the API development teams, will take place on Thursday at 8 AM Pacific Time (see http://bit.ly/1GghwBR for your time zone). Typical meetings include news about recent API development progress and fu

Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread Jan-Ivar Bruaroey
Hi, We intend to un-prefix HTMLMediaElement.srcObject (it currently exists as HTMLMediaElement.mozSrcObject), even though it only supports a subset of the types mandated in the spec. [1] This means it will support get/set of: MediaStream objects. This means it will throw TypeError on set of:

Intent to implement per element referrer attributes

2015-07-15 Thread Franziskus Kiefer
Hi all We intend to implement the referrer policy delivery method via attribute as specified in the referrer policy spec (editor's draft [1]) to allow per element referrer policies for , , , and tags. The attribute is enabled via the pref network.http.enablePerElementReferrer and will be initiall

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-15 Thread Jeff Gilbert
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Nicholas Nethercote wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Bobby Holley > wrote: > > I'm not wild about this idea. > > It's such a boil-the-ocean solution I honestly thought bsmedberg was > joking at first... > Well consistency is a major concern, so as long

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-15 Thread Gregory Szorc
The public source code for Firefox has existed for 17+ years (since ~April 1998). We can only assume it will be around for another 10+ years. I believe you have to take the long view on the cost benefit analysis and realize that a lot of pain in the short term (e.g. switching styles entirely) will

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-15 Thread Bobby Holley
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > The public source code for Firefox has existed for 17+ years (since ~April > 1998). We can only assume it will be around for another 10+ years. > > I believe you have to take the long view on the cost benefit analysis and > realize that a lo

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-15 Thread Andrew Sutherland
Would it be crazy for us to resort to a poll on these things? I propose abusing the mozillans.org "skills" field in profiles. For example, I have created the following sets of skills on mozillians.org by question, and which should autocomplete if you go to the edit page for your profile at https:

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-15 Thread Jeff Gilbert
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > The discussion has a number of good points in favor of using 'a', but I > missed convincing arguments in favor of not using 'a'. Are there any? I > don't consider "I don't get what 'a' is good for" a convincing argument. > On the other

Re: Summary of e10s performance (Talos + Telemetry + crash-stats)

2015-07-15 Thread Benoit Girard
For the e10s talos regressions see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1174776 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1184277. We've already diagnose one source of the regression to be a difference with GC/CC behavior when running e10s talos. On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Vla

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-15 Thread smaug
On 07/16/2015 01:47 AM, Jeff Gilbert wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: The discussion has a number of good points in favor of using 'a', but I missed convincing arguments in favor of not using 'a'. Are there any? I don't consider "I don't get what 'a' is good for

Re: Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale (was Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++)

2015-07-15 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 7/15/2015 5:47 PM, Andrew Sutherland wrote: Would it be crazy for us to resort to a poll on these things? A poll will not be useful for informing this decision. --BDS ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mo

Re: Intent to implement W3C Manifest for web application

2015-07-15 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:54 AM, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:12 AM, wrote: > > some people believe that web applications should be "installable" > > I don't subscribe to that theory. The web is comprised of pages, not > apps. (I mostly agree with Alex, but not regarding

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread Robert O'Callahan
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Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread smaug
On 07/15/2015 10:42 PM, Jan-Ivar Bruaroey wrote: Hi, We intend to un-prefix HTMLMediaElement.srcObject (it currently exists as HTMLMediaElement.mozSrcObject), even though it only supports a subset of the types mandated in the spec. [1] It is a bit unfortunate to expose the property without su

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread jyavenard
On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 5:42:39 AM UTC+10, Jan-Ivar Bruaroey wrote: > Hi, > > We intend to un-prefix HTMLMediaElement.srcObject (it currently exists > as HTMLMediaElement.mozSrcObject), even though it only supports a subset > of the types mandated in the spec. [1] > > This means it will s

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread Jan-Ivar Bruaroey
On 7/15/15 9:28 PM, jyaven...@mozilla.com wrote: I need to complete bug 886194 then (that add MSE supports). Yes, or at least rename the subject slightly. ;) PS: We have the same first name in different language. awesome. Hey, that's rare for us! .: Jan-Ivar :. ___

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/15/15 3:42 PM, Jan-Ivar Bruaroey wrote: This means it will support get/set of: MediaStream objects. This means it will throw TypeError on set of: MediaSource objects, Blob objects, and File objects, for now. Jan-Ivar, Do you happen to know whether other UAs support this unprefixed and if

Unprefixed CSS and DOM properties (across browser vendors)

2015-07-15 Thread Karl Dubost
Hello, (mostly for people of DOM and CSS) tl;dr: A list of unprefixed properties where the prefixed version has been dropped. Context: A feature has 4 states (or at least my impression): 1. No support 2. prefixed only support (MozFoo and -moz-bar) 3. prefixed and unprefixed support (MozFoo, F

Re: Intent to implement HTMLMediaElement.srcObject partially

2015-07-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jan-Ivar Bruaroey wrote: > This means it will throw TypeError on set of: MediaSource objects, Blob > objects, and File objects, for now. For what it's worth, I think implementing Blob/File support would be quite trivial. Just make elem.srcObject = blob; interna

Re: Proposal to remove `aFoo` prescription from the Mozilla style guide for C and C++

2015-07-15 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Hi Am 16.07.2015 um 00:47 schrieb Jeff Gilbert: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Zimmermann > mailto:tzimmerm...@mozilla.com>> wrote: > > The discussion has a number of good points in favor of using 'a', > but I > missed convincing arguments in favor of not using 'a'. Are ther