Re: Request compose of image for Software Review UI from Releng

2010-08-30 Thread noriko
Jesse Keating さんは書きました: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/26/10 5:06 AM, noriko wrote: >> Hi Release Engineering team >> >> F14 collection packages should be built with latest translation by >> today, 26-Aug. Could you please kindly compose the image with those >> latest

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/30/10 9:50 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jesse Keating >> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 8/30/10 1:33 PM, Ar

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:05 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: > On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: > > > > So why would the policy apply to the search box on > > http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is > > not really a piece of infrastructure?

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:33 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/30/10 10:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Wow, and everyone gets categorical again. You can disagree with people, > > but this is a bit different. Yes, amazingly, things do matter on

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 00:10 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > > 6 months for new features in a fast paced distro? > > You know, compared to almost any other Operating System out there, 6 > months is warp speed. I'd rather have fewer features in my stable > install that worked just right, then get shiny

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 10:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Wow, and everyone gets categorical again. You can disagree with people, > but this is a bit different. Yes, amazingly, things do matter on a six > month timeframe in the 'real world' (whatever that is). Exa

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 15:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > Instead, > we have people so opposed to a little sanity and so scared of 6 months > wait - like anything really matters in that small a timeframe in the > *real* world Wow, and everyone gets categorical again. You can disagree with people, bu

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 23:02 +0200, François Cami wrote: > >> Also, an RFE: X should back out and use VESA if the auto-detected, or > >> configured, driver fails after 3 attempts instead of attempting to start > >> 30 times and failing 30 times. A desktop notification should be > >> triggered that

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 9:50 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jesse Keating > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 8/30/10 1:33 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> Is this still unique? >> >> I believe it i

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 9:48 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> New features hit rawhide all the time, with no waiting period. > So developers are going to put new features into rawhide knowing that > they will never make it to updates? > Developers put new features

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 9:45 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > So far the only brokeness I have had in all of F13 is with `seabios-bin`. People judge brokeness in different ways. For some it's out right functioning stopping, such as the repeated problems with bind vs

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 15:57 +0800, Gerard Braad wrote: > > aggressively > > I do not agree this strategy is wise or even the correct way. Certain > Fedora versions dropped hardware support. We can't dictate people wht > they can or can not do. Yes, we can. In fact that's more or less what a distr

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/30/10 1:33 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> Is this still unique? > > I believe it is, particularly with our attention to freedom and upstream > relationships, and our connection to argu

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/30/10 8:56 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: >>> A typical developer

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:56 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: >> > >> >>A typical developer wants the dependencies of the softwa

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 1:06 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:36:42PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > >>> Why not give QA the time to settle and find out how the new things >>> work out? > >> Because the likes of Kevin throw fits whenever we try

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 1:33 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > Is this still unique? I believe it is, particularly with our attention to freedom and upstream relationships, and our connection to arguably /the/ premiere enterprise Linux offering. - -- Jesse Keating F

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 4:50 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> No, for rawhide to really be useful, it must be possible to put >> unfinished system-wide changes in there: it would be pretty much >> imposs

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/30/10 8:56 PM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: >> >>> A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are >>> working on to be _

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:56 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: > > > >>A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > >>working on to be _very_ up to date - probably no

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: > >>A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are >>working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream >>development version, but the upstream maintenance ve

Fwd: Input Method Bugs Day

2010-08-30 Thread Jens Petersen
Reminder about the Input Method Bugs Day being organized by fedora-i18n tomorrow. We will be working on triaging and clearing bugs at #fedora-i18n on freenode.--- Begin Message --- Hi, We are organising Input Method bugs day on 1st September 2010. On this day we need your help to triage IM

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 17:33:33 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > > Well for one, if there is nothing different mission wise between > Fedora and Ubuntu, but Ubuntu gets more attention from desktop users, > then people might as well just all use Ubuntu. Despite being derived from Debian, the U

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:11:06 +0200, you wrote: >A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are >working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream >development version, but the upstream maintenance version with _all_ >current bug fixes. Waiting 6 months for a bug

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 16:40 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > So let me ask you this who's your backup ( given that you at least have > > one within Red Hat ) and can a community member step in you're shoes to > > full fill your role in your absence? > > > > Dennis is his backup (RH employee) and if

Re: kernel maintainers - please review and commit patch in #528232

2010-08-30 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marius Andreiana wrote: > Hi all, > > There's a long standing bug which prevents FC14 to boot on most EFI systems > : > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528232 > > Would a knowledgeable kernel developer please review the patch for > drivers/video/efifb.c

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 18:58 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > What Fedora advertised is "..., Features, First" - that's a developer's > > distro; Fedora was never "M million happy users, growing X% annually". > > For what it's worth

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 19:52 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that > > mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is > > most unstabl

Important note about FAS Certs and lookasie cache

2010-08-30 Thread Mike McGrath
The short version (as paraphrased by tibbs): 20:01 < tibbs|h> nss-3.12.6-7 doesn't work, 3.12.6-12 works. The longer version: A recent update to fas included an upgrade of the OS to the RHEL6 alpha. One unintended consequence of this is we're now generating pkcs#8 keys instead of rsa. This cau

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:30:44PM -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote: > I've moved from being a rawhide junkie to a koji junkie. I've been in that > mode for the last five or six years. My experience has been that rawhide is > most unstable just around alpha time. That is no longer the case. See: http

Re: Request compose of image for Software Review UI from Releng

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/26/10 5:06 AM, noriko wrote: > Hi Release Engineering team > > F14 collection packages should be built with latest translation by > today, 26-Aug. Could you please kindly compose the image with those > latest packages for software translation r

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > No, for rawhide to really be useful, it must be possible to put > unfinished system-wide changes in there: it would be pretty much > impossible to integrate systemd into the distribution on a "branch", and > to add it into rawhide on

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 15:56, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > > development version, but the upstre

Re: rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Matthew Miller píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 18:56 -0400: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > > development version, but the upstrea

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > What Fedora advertised is "..., Features, First" - that's a developer's > distro; Fedora was never "M million happy users, growing X% annually". For what it's worth: the current statement on the Fedora "target audience" includes: "

rawhide rocks! [was Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)]

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:11:06PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > A typical developer wants the dependencies of the software they are > working on to be _very_ up to date - probably not the upstream > development version, but the upstream maintenance version with _all_ > current bug fixes. Waiting

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 08/30/2010 03:11 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Jon Masters píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 16:13 -0400: >> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >> >>> We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers >>> and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. >

Orphaning a few packages

2010-08-30 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
I've orphaned the following packages if anyone wants to pick them up. They are primarily dead upstream but some might still use them. libmatchbox matchbox-window-manager twitter-glib Regards, Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

kernel maintainers - please review and commit patch in #528232

2010-08-30 Thread Marius Andreiana
Hi all, There's a long standing bug which prevents FC14 to boot on most EFI systems : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528232 Would a knowledgeable kernel developer please review the patch for drivers/video/efifb.c and commit it? Thanks in advance for your help -- devel mailing list

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Jon Masters píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 17:17 -0400: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:11 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > Now, if we Fedora should be a distribution that developers enjoy using, > > there will be an updates firehose - and most developers won't mind too > > much. If Fedora should be a di

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-31)

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. = Followups = #topic #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on implementation https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351 #topic #382 Imp

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Sven Lankes said: >> Also - and this is a question that I have asked myself and others a >> couple of times - if you could implement Fedora the way you want: What >> unique selling points are left for Fedora? "Fedora is Ubunt

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Jon Masters wrote: > Why does it have to be one or the other? There are ways to do both with > vitualization, separate stream of packages, multiple versions of the > same thing. Who knows what else. The point is, nobody is saying you > can't take a stable base and add in more recent bits for your a

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 23:11 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Now, if we Fedora should be a distribution that developers enjoy using, > there will be an updates firehose - and most developers won't mind too > much. If Fedora should be a distribution that developers can install on > their grandparent

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Sven Lankes
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 04:01:25PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > I guess I've never been concerned about "unique selling points". Why > should it be "Fedora is Ubuntu with RPM", instead of "Ubuntu is Fedora > with DEB"? IIRC Fedora came first (and certainly RHL came before > Ubuntu, although Debia

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Jon Masters píše v Po 30. 08. 2010 v 16:13 -0400: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers > > and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. > > It's called Laissez-faire meets reality. Rig

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:01 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > I like the release schedule of Fedora, but I don't like the idea of each > release continuing to be a rolling update target. I don't really > understand why about six months (or less if you didn't install on > release day) is such a horrible

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Alex Hudson
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:49 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote: > > I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be, > > specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that. > > Don't follow the "market" or worry

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Sven Lankes said: > Also - and this is a question that I have asked myself and others a > couple of times - if you could implement Fedora the way you want: What > unique selling points are left for Fedora? "Fedora is Ubuntu with rpm" > sounds about as bad as "Fedora is broken mos

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:04:40 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:36:42PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers > > and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. We > > had new technology thanks to r

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > "Thomas Janssen" wrote: > >>On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: > The cynic in me

[perl-Test-MockObject/el6/master] Add in CGI as a BR, it's needed in EL6

2010-08-30 Thread Mark Chappell
commit 2fa1aa7532e58509552074fd13c3407f9935db85 Author: Mark Chappell Date: Mon Aug 30 21:23:34 2010 +0100 Add in CGI as a BR, it's needed in EL6 perl-Test-MockObject.spec |6 +- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Test-MockObject.spec b/perl-Tes

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers > and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. It's called Laissez-faire meets reality. Right now we have a lot of "free market" philosophy in Fedora that

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 21:56:17 +0200, Sven Lankes wrote: > > Also - and this is a question that I have asked myself and others a > couple of times - if you could implement Fedora the way you want: What > unique selling points are left for Fedora? "Fedora is Ubuntu with rpm" > sounds about as

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 21:56 +0200, Sven Lankes wrote: > > As I've said, on systems not directly connected I just don't bother > > doing updates ever. I suspect before too long some effort will get > > formed to do a more stable version of Fedora > > Don't we already have that in F n-1? Even that

[perl-EBook-EPUB/f12/master] Initial import.

2010-08-30 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
commit 114174d83259b7658c30c884c0e063acd0f4eba7 Author: Emmanuel Seyman Date: Mon Aug 30 22:07:53 2010 +0200 Initial import. .gitignore |1 + perl-EBook-EPUB.spec | 66 ++ sources |1 + 3 files changed, 68 in

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Sven Lankes
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:36:42PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >> Why not give QA the time to settle and find out how the new things >> work out? > Because the likes of Kevin throw fits whenever we try to insert any QA > time or seem to try and improve the quality of our updates in any way > oth

[perl-EBook-EPUB/f13/master] Initial import.

2010-08-30 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
commit 38b0d591622746369a455484fb5b2c1dd3d9b195 Author: Emmanuel Seyman Date: Mon Aug 30 22:05:34 2010 +0200 Initial import. .gitignore |1 + perl-EBook-EPUB.spec | 66 ++ sources |1 + 3 files changed, 68 in

[perl-EBook-EPUB/f14/master] Initial import.

2010-08-30 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
commit 1b39245bee570c1f7916abec73cd8f347dc97ddf Author: Emmanuel Seyman Date: Mon Aug 30 22:05:04 2010 +0200 Initial import. .gitignore |1 + perl-EBook-EPUB.spec | 66 ++ sources |1 + 3 files changed, 68 in

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:36:42PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and > desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. We had new > technology thanks to rawhide. We had timely bugfixes that didn't sacrifice > stability, a

[perl-EBook-EPUB] Initial import.

2010-08-30 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
commit c4b926e7185dab44060c63d62dd15554104fe5ae Author: Emmanuel Seyman Date: Mon Aug 30 22:02:26 2010 +0200 Initial import. .gitignore |1 + perl-EBook-EPUB.spec | 66 ++ sources |1 + 3 files changed, 68 in

File EBook-EPUB-0.5.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by eseyman

2010-08-30 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-EBook-EPUB: ed6a49cba2a173db3c479b229aec0cc2 EBook-EPUB-0.5.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Sven Lankes
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 03:09:06PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > Fedora is being ruined by this kind of behavior. You can have progress, > cutting edge, etc. without having to be unstable and unpredictable in > the process. A lot has been done in the last couple of months in that direction. Proven

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:22 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote. >> >> The changes towards a distribution that attracts people who live in >> the moment happened a while

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:09:06 -0400 Jon Masters wrote: > > Every update takes for ever because there > > are so many updates. Too many to review each one and see what it > > does, and how to maybe test it and provide feedback. Updates runs > > just get pushed off longer and longer so that I have

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
"Thomas Janssen" wrote: >On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different than

Upcoming Fedora 14 Schedule Tasks

2010-08-30 Thread John Poelstra
Start End Name Fri 03-Sep Fri 03-Sep Beta Blocker Meeting (f14beta) #2 Mon 06-Sep Fri 10-Sep Daily Review & Notification of Open Beta Blocker Bugs Tue 07-Sep Tue 07-Sep Software: Start Rebuild all translated packages Tue 07-Sep Tue 14-Sep Software: Rebuild all translated pack

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jon Masters
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 09:03 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Jesse Keating wrote: > >> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different > >> than the fire hose we have now are

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gerard Braad (gbr...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > aggressively > > I do not agree this strategy is wise or even the correct way. Certain > Fedora versions dropped hardware support. We can't dictate people wht > they can or can not do. I still know people who run old redhat > releases (5.x) as the

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:22 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote. > > The changes towards a distribution that attracts people who live in > the moment happened a while back, and has been building momentum for > quite some t

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:03, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>> than the fire hose we have now are silentl

Re: CONFIG_LOCKDEP

2010-08-30 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:38:59AM -0500, John H wrote: > I'm trying to rebuild my kernel without debugging, I set the %define > debugbuildsenabled to 1 and in the kernel.spec file before building with > rpmbuild but I am still getting CONFIG_LOCKDEP=y in my kernel config file in > my /boot directo

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would expect that the people who want

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>> than the fire hose we have now are silen

[Test-Announce] 2010-08-26 OpenSCAP Test Day report

2010-08-30 Thread Kamil Paral
On 26th of August there was an OpenSCAP Test Day [1]. Thanks everyone for showing up. The attendance was not absolutely great, but it was quite decent taking into account this software is not widely known and used. This test day has shown very helpful for OpenSCAP developers since many problems we

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 08/30/2010 07:33 AM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > > I'm pretty sure there are a number of other reasons for such SIG. > > Our relationship with jpackage really needs to improve. They do a lot > of packaging work, we've "borrowed" a lot of that work, and then > diverged without contributing ba

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>> than the fire hose we have now are sile

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are >> left are going to say they lik

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 10:46 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Well my main concern is exactly what you have stated "If RH decide > Fedora should go away it would" in other words "You exist only because > we allow you to exist" > The former is a pretty str

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/30/2010 07:33 AM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: > I'm pretty sure there are a number of other reasons for such SIG. Our relationship with jpackage really needs to improve. They do a lot of packaging work, we've "borrowed" a lot of that work, and th

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 02:37 PM, Till Maas wrote: > And you managed to proper quote! \o/ Now the next step is not to create > very long lines. ;-) Ugh, I had no idea it was generating that junk. *sigh* I just filed http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/issues/deta

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: > > > > It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers > > like me to package and maybe develop java apps. > > Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) > But would like to learn to package Java apps l

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: > > > > It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers > > like me to package and maybe develop java apps. > > Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) > But would like to learn to package Java apps l

F-14 Branched report: 20100830 changes

2010-08-30 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Aug 30 13:15:24 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: > It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers > like me > to package and maybe develop java apps. > Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) But would like to learn to package Java apps like Azureus

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

2010-08-30 Thread buildsys
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as po

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Aditya Patawari
Hi, I would love to join and contribute to any such SIG. I am a package maintainer but I am not maintaining any Java package as of now. It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers like me to package and maybe develop java apps. -- Aditya Patawari http://yaps.co.in htt

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
> Hi everyone, > > There has been an effort few years back to start Java SIG but it didn't > work out in the end (no idea why). I decided it's time to try again :-) > > I would like to start Java SIG for a lot of reasons. Some of them: > > * Packaging guidelines are in need of an update (badly)

Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Hi everyone, There has been an effort few years back to start Java SIG but it didn't work out in the end (no idea why). I decided it's time to try again :-) I would like to start Java SIG for a lot of reasons. Some of them: * Packaging guidelines are in need of an update (badly) * Consistency

Re: gnupg2 & evolution

2010-08-30 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:04 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: > Hi, > > I cannot use gnupg2 from evolution anymore. Apparently somewhere in > evolution the command "gpg" is hardwired, while whe only have gpg2 > nowadays. > > Any suggestions? Testing updates or something? > yum install gnupg it's

gnupg2 & evolution

2010-08-30 Thread Christoph Höger
Hi, I cannot use gnupg2 from evolution anymore. Apparently somewhere in evolution the command "gpg" is hardwired, while whe only have gpg2 nowadays. Any suggestions? Testing updates or something? regards christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-30 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > However, as others have pointed out, the only reason the start page is > using google right now is a old historical accident. We should change > it. > > There was a thread on the advisory board list not long back about > doing that... changing

rawhide report: 20100830 changes

2010-08-30 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Aug 30 08:15:32 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-30 Thread Glandvador
On 27.08.2010 19:56, Mark Chappell wrote: > On 27/08/2010, Mark Chappell wrote: >> On 27/08/2010, Chuck Anderson wrote: >>> NM can use old style /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*. Can't >>> you just write those out from your %post section? >> >> Those would be the old school files I was ref

Re: is swf open format

2010-08-30 Thread Naveen Kumar
Thanks to all of you for replying. We solved the problem without flash :) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: New fedpkg build coming to an update repo near you!

2010-08-30 Thread Mattias Ellert
fre 2010-08-27 klockan 08:31 -0700 skrev Jesse Keating: > > "Mattias Ellert" wrote: > > >tor 2010-08-26 klockan 13:27 -0700 skrev Jesse Keating: > >> > >> "Matej Cepl" wrote: > >> > >> >Jesse Keating, Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:34 -0700: > >> >> I just submitted updates for el5 and f1{2,3,4} as w