Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-06 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 11:33:58 PM MST Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 06. 09. 19 v 3:29 John Harris napsal(a): > > > Well, that could be much better handled with a simple "Contact owner" > > button that sends the owner an email. > > > We have

Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-05 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 10:16:16 AM MST Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 9/5/19 9:55 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 09:17:49AM -0700, John Harris wrote: > >> Does the inefficiency of that feature outweigh its usefulness? Why does > >> it > >>

Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-05 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 6:56:13 AM MST Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Between them, between the maintainer as they very > often contact us to do something with the content of the projects or file > bug reports against Copr to do something with a failing application built > in Copr. And we are

Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-04 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 5:28:08 AM MST Dominik Turecek wrote: > Hello. > > Today, we have released a new version of Copr. > Main highlights from the release was the addition > of discussion panels in Copr projects and speed > optimization of front page. > > For more information, see: >

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-09-03 Thread John Harris
o that. Again, one is > active the other is passive. > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 9:34 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > John you're comparing apples and oranges. One is active the other is > > > passiv

Re: skychart package updates broken after module retirement

2019-09-02 Thread John Harris
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 2:54:32 AM MST Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > Recently, I requested to retire Skychart module and this has been done > in F31 and F32: > https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8640 > > Now I'm trying to push an update to Skychart classic RPMs, Koji shows it > as tagged

Re: Intention to retire Release Notes RPM

2019-09-02 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 5, 2019 4:42:31 AM MST Martin Kolman wrote: > On Sat, 2019-08-03 at 03:45 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 3:10 AM Brian (bex) Exelbierd > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Barring objection, I plan to retire the release notes package from > > >

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-09-02 Thread John Harris
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:22:04 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > John you're comparing apples and oranges. One is active the other is > passive. One uses your space allocation the other doesn't. Sorry, what? What space allocation? If you're talking about emails, my Maildir hasn't reached a

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-02 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:48:06 PM MST John Harris wrote: > On Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:33:47 AM MST Gordan Bobic wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM wrote: > > > > > This seems like a distraction from the real goal here, which is to > > > en

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-09-02 Thread John Harris
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 4:13:10 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:37 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia > wrote: > > > If 30 years in DevOps and system security in both large and small > > networks count for anything, this makes *complete* sense. The > > distinction between

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-31 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 30, 2019 5:40:22 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > You just explained exactly why it was different ;-) I'm sorry if you believe that to be the case, but it is not. I explained that you can mute on both platforms, if you choose to do so. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-31 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 30, 2019 5:16:25 AM MST Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:41 PM, John Harris wrote: > > > > > >> On Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:12:22 AM MST Dan Book wrote: > >> I would agree, but people do install multiple deskto

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-31 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 30, 2019 12:35:34 PM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:46 PM, Christopher > wrote: > > > Yeah, I also don't want a complicated installer. I just don't see this > > disagreement going anywhere without some sort of compromise, and I > > can't think of

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-31 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 30, 2019 4:33:11 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John Harris wrote: > > Thing is, binding a port and expecting it to be open to every network > > interface you've got are two very different things. > > Once again John Harris is completely wrong. The bind syste

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:50:19 AM MST Iñaki Ucar wrote: > Responding to the first message because I'm not interested in further > discussion. It's clear to me that there will be no agreement in this > matter unless there are reasonable potential alternatives. Therefore, > this message is

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:11:02 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:24 AM Chris Murphy > wrote: > > > > > > Debian has a permissive firewall > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall > > > And Ubuntu, Mint, elementary, MX Linux, Solus, pop!_OS, as well. By >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:34:09 AM MST Christophe de Dinechin wrote: > mcatanz...@gnome.org writes: > > > > Well the thing is, blocknig ports tends to break applications that want > > to use those ports. We're not going to do that, period. It also doesn't > > really accomplish anything:

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:29:32 PM MST Christopher wrote: > Workstation is the primary product. Some choose that not for GNOME... > but because they want to start with the most base product and > customize from there. If you start with a Spin, you may get something > pre-configured in a very

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:17:11 AM MST Japheth Cleaver wrote: > On 8/29/2019 8:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2019-08-28 at 23:13 -0400, Christopher wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:56 PM John Harris > >> wrote: > >>

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 8:12:22 AM MST Dan Book wrote: > I would agree, but people do install multiple desktops after installing a > spin. Such a use case needs to be considered (not sure if it matters, > though). This is definitely not the ideal scenario, especially not from the case of the

Re: Non-responsive maintainer

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:11:43 AM MST Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 7:51 PM Greg Hellings > wrote: > > > > > > The jenkins pacakge is fearfully out of date and seems unmaintained. Does > > anyone know how to get in touch with the maintainer(s) of the package? > > > > > >

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Thursday, August 29, 2019 2:54:57 AM MST Chris Peters wrote: > PS I won't take this thread any further. The irony of a back and forth in > the back and forth thread doesn't escape me! I couldn't disagree with that any more!!! -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity https://splentity.com/

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-29 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:31:54 PM MST Christopher wrote: > We're getting off-topic, but really quickly: Yes, you can select > advanced packaging (at least you could in the past... probably still > can). You can also use kickstart to automate installs with custom > package installations and

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:00:35 PM MST Christopher wrote: > No, the default firewalld zone affects all Fedora Workstation users, > because firewalld runs outside of GNOME. Just because a user uses the > Workstation Edition doesn't mean they're running GNOME... you can > still run Cinnamon,

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:13:59 PM MST Christopher wrote: > The default firewall config affects every user of that edition, even > if they never use GNOME (or even use graphical boot). So, I don't know > if this would be adequate. This only affects GNOME users. Workstation = GNOME Spin.

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 1:35:32 PM MST Colin Walters wrote: > FWIW, > > For Fedora CoreOS we don't enable a firewall by default; see > https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/26 > > (Neither for that matter does Fedora Cloud: >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:46:58 PM MST Christopher wrote: > A similar idea that would keep it separate from the installer might be > to offer a dialogue as a "first-boot" action, but that seems like it'd > be a very GNOME-specific thing, and firewalld is not specific to the > WM/Desktop. It

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:50:49 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > A somewhat related feature that was rejected by FESCo > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SecurityPolicyInTheInstaller > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/19.html Security policies aren't related

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:59:17 PM MST Christopher wrote: > Yeah, obviously that would be bad. Please don't simply dismiss a > serious suggestion, because it would be bad in other scenarios or if > taken to the extreme. This is one specific suggestion, not a proposal > to accept all similar

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:00:03 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > This is hyperbole, and turning up the volume isn't going to make > anyone go "oh, ok, now I see your point, it's hostile and we don't > want to do that, let's change it" as if literally everyone reading > this is some kind of

Re: University people in Fedora: Education/University SIG

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:42:15 AM MST Timothée Floure wrote: > Hello everyone, > > This is a follow-up email for some "coffee discussions" we had at flock a > few weeks ago. Sorry for the delay! > > The Fedora community contains a lot of university students, many of us > packaging tools

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:27:56 AM MST Chris Peters wrote: > Maybe the code of conduct could politely nudge people towards *quality* over > quantity (so that voices don't get drowned and big threads aren't so > tiresome to keep up with) Such a rule would make it very difficult indeed to

Re: Debates/back and forths

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:09:23 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > It's somewhat ironic that Discourse would solve this issue. As I > previously mentioned, I also don't like having my inbox flooded with forum > threads that don't interest me. The mailing list solution requires you > setup

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 9:05:00 AM MST Tony Nelson wrote: > Properly packaged Fedora software uses either the D-Bus interface > at runtime or firewall-cmd in a scriptlet at install time to open any > needed ports This is not actually the case. No software, to my knowledge, makes the

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 2:45:37 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > If an attacker guesses your passphrase, then it's your weak passphrase > that allows them to break in. No. Having it wide open to the network means it can be broken, even through brute force if necessary. > (That said, I'd be

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
; > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris < > > > > joh...@splentity.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead > > > > > and > >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:03:51 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification > > The discussion and decision to not include firewall-config (GUI > configuration application for firewalld) by default, five years ago >

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:27:49 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, and > it is mentioned here: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/51 What leads you to believe this was a planned feature? -- John M. Harris, Jr.

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:20:57 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people have > a bigger imagination. ;-) > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST G

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You could also just use NNTP, which wouldn't require you to have anything > > in your mailbox. Then you can reply from the same

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
t > opens up the sourced article on the web. In this case it would be the > email within HyperKitty. > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:00 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:58:11 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, August 27,

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:58:11 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading? > > Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my > Feedreader, I would

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Hey Kevin: > > > > Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even > > provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to > > happen. > > > > > > But

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:15:52 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > That actually isn't clear at all. And I am the end user and sysadmin. > > > I'm at home, I have my own AP, but none of the equipment is under my > > > direct control, it's centrally managed by a company I don't even pay. > > >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:58:15 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:02 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > > > > However, Fedora Workstation is an edition. Which means it has a > > *policy-defined* target audience. That target audience is defined here: > >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:49:03 PM MST Japheth Cleaver wrote: > On 8/27/2019 4:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 15:06 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > > >> mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: > >> > &g

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:05:57 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:24 PM John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Windows is enable by default with two &quo

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > People keep mentioning HyperKitty as an alternative to Discourse. While I > believe Discourse has more functionality, one thing that would make > HyperKitty a somewhat acceptable alternative would be the addition of RSS > support.

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > The firewall on macOS is disabled by default. Therefore I can't agree > with any assessment that Fedora Workstation is, on this point alone, > in some sort of vulnerable state outside that of macOS. Talked to a coworker, who is a

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:22 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > > The other major non-Linux operating systems do. Both Microsoft Windows > > and Apple macOS ship with active firewalls by default. > > > The firewall on macOS is

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:04:46 AM MST Louis Lagendijk wrote: > On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 10:14 -0400, Robert Marcano wrote: > > > On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any new Wifi connection could be identified by their SSI

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:59:23 AM MST David Kaufmann wrote: > I'm not trying to recommend it, this is already done, e.g. for mdns, > samba-client, or ssh. (To be fair that happens on os install, not > necessarily on package install) > I'm trying to list the problems with those options. There

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:09:12 AM MST Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 13:01, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: > > > > > > > On 27.08.2019 18:14, Björn Persson wrote: > > > > > If it could come from anywhere, then we must assume that it's > > > malicious. > > > You

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
network your system is connected to to break in. If you're running local, it's open to any system on a network you're on. If you're running postgres, same deal, and so on. Regardless, I suppose I'll still address your points: On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:14:10 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > J

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:14:10 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John Harris wrote: > >On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > >> Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens > >> by accident, and how

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:14:45 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I would assume you would just use mailing list mode and address > additional recipients. To receive an expert reply I would suggest you ask > the question here: > > https://meta.discourse.org/c/support > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:02:31 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I never said they were. What I said was expecting and requiring Discourse > to 100% replicate everything a mailing list does isn't going to happen and > shouldn't be a requirement. > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:55

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
t; misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - > >>> and > >>> I don't want to use an NNTP gateway, I want to use Discourse. Why is > >>> that > >>> so hard to understand? > >>> > >>> O

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I understand there isn't going to be 100% feature parity, but it should be > good enough - and if it isn't we should be working with the Discourse > people to improve it rather than just using it as an excuse to not moving >

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Using mail, I have to access the archives to read the full thread. This is just due to your configuration. You could easily either save the mailing list to your mailbox, or use an NNTP gateway. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:14:20 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:35:08 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > > > >> On 8/27/19 8:18 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > >> > >> >

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:06:31 AM MST Ryan Walklin wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > > > > > > That port numbers are now "technical details" is fairly concerning, and I > > > > can't imagin

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:53:08 AM MST Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: > I'm curious about discourse's options here... > > Is quite common on our workflows to have mailing threads that targets a > couple of fedora mailing list, another outside mailing list and some third > party individuals when

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:35:08 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/27/19 8:18 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:37 PM, Iñaki Ucar > > wrote: > > >> There's no need to write "a new style of firewall". It would be as > >> easy as asking the user once whether a

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:06:32 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:23 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > At least in KDE, possibly not in GNOME as it lacks many of the > > features > > available in KDE, you can specify the zon

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:10:28 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > Please consider the security aspect of this. This is a critical > > vulnerability. > > Please, don't make us look like the Linux

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:37:24 AM MST David Kaufmann wrote: > Both option have their disadvantages - in the case of "maintainer opens > ports" the ports are open as soon as the package gets installed, and > software not run/installed via package manager will give the impression > of "just not

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:06:24 AM MST Jiri Eischmann wrote: > mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > > > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:07:39 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and > > address the > > idea that "if the firewall bl

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens > by accident, and how would a packet filter stop it? It could come from anywhere, that's not the point. A *firewall* would stop it from doing anything too

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:23:48 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > The fact is that for the vast majority of people, the discourse mailing > list functionality is good enough - and as time goes on it continues > to improve - but again, it's not reasonable to expect or demand 100%. IMO > the

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:23:48 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I read all the comments and my response is this... > First of all, there is no limit to the amount of emails that discourse will > send out. That is a site parameter, and whomever supports it for Fedora > needs to change it: > >

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:18:41 AM MST Christian Glombek wrote: > Right now, one can do something like `dnf > --installroot=/mnt/new-buildah-root group install custom-environment` > to create a root for a container and installed group may include a package > manager or not. This would install

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 10:17:46 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/26/19 9:39 PM, John Harris wrote: > > > I'm not saying not to use containers. There is a right way to do it, and > > a > > wrong way to do it. A container should be as the name describes, a > &

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 12:32:26 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:59 AM, Christopher > > wrote: > > The current status is that the Workstation WG never came up with a > > solution in 5 years, and new people are finding this default > > configuration and getting

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 12:59:01 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 27.08.2019 9:32, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > > This doesn't seem like a serious effort to think about how a firewall > > could be useful, it just seems like an effort to break software. > > > The current

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 9:39:47 PM MST John Harris wrote: > On Monday, August 26, 2019 9:16:30 PM MST Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 06:46:29PM -0700, John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > On Monday, August 26, 2019 5:50:

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 9:16:30 PM MST Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 06:46:29PM -0700, John Harris wrote: > > > On Monday, August 26, 2019 5:50:53 AM MST Christian Glombek wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, a model like _distroless_ is exactly wh

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:25:52 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Here you go... > https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-vs-email-mailing-lists/54298 This was clearly written by somebody who has an agenda. Just look at the last sentence in the opening paragraph! Other than that, I'll address

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 5:50:53 AM MST Christian Glombek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 5:26 PM Colin Walters wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > > > If you want small images, just use buildah. > > > > Dockerfile-based multi-stage builds are significantly more

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 8:15:07 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote: > On 26 August 2019 16:04:12 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: > > >> On 26 August 2019 14:27:53 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" > > >wrote: > > > >> > >> Was it a lengthy conversation where you needed context from earlier > > > >posts? > > > >>

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 5:27:53 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to > > this list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been > > sent. > > > > As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:54:09 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote: > It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this > list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent. > > As for the other things I disagree with pretty much everything. I don't > think

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 8:41:30 AM MST Christopher wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:08 AM wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well the thing is, blocknig ports tends to break applications that want to > > use those ports. We're not going to do that, period. It also doesn't > > really accomplish

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 7:25:27 AM MST Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 15:25, Robert Marcano > wrote: > > > > > > On 8/26/19 9:07 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well the thing is, blocknig ports tends to break applications that want > > > to use those ports.

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 6:15:45 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/26/19 9:07 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > > > > Well the thing is, blocknig ports tends to break applications that want > > to use those ports. We're not going to do that, period. It also doesn't > > really accomplish

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-26 Thread John Harris
On Monday, August 26, 2019 6:07:30 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > Well the thing is, blocknig ports tends to break applications that want > to use those ports. We're not going to do that, period. It also doesn't > really accomplish anything: either your app or service needs network > access

Re: Laptop powerdown when early boot incl. bootloader phase stuck (Was: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt)

2019-08-23 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 23, 2019 12:34:50 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > GRUB verifies the signature of the kernel before it is booted, in the > Secure Boot enabled case. Correct, but that's one architecture, but failing to load an image is a fatal error. > a. Press any key before the timeout and it

Re: Laptop powerdown when early boot incl. bootloader phase stuck (Was: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt)

2019-08-23 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 23, 2019 11:06:18 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:48 AM Jan Pokorný wrote: > > > > One such other situation is having the bootloader (grub2) failed and > > hence be stuck in 'press a key to continue' or just staying in the > > selection menu without any

Re: Laptop powerdown when early boot incl. bootloader phase stuck (Was: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt)

2019-08-23 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 23, 2019 4:46:53 AM MST Jan Pokorný wrote: > On 20/08/19 20:59 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > There is no good reason for the current behavior, in particular on a > > laptop. And it's fail danger, not fail safe. The very simple work > > around for the computer shutting off in 3

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:34:01 PM MST John Harris wrote: > On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:32:06 AM MST you wrote: > > > [quote="JohnMH, post:4, topic:2184, full:true"] > > If you’re deadset on using a Discorse subforum where nobody will find > > yo

Re: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt [FutureFeature]

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 3:10:04 AM MST Ernestas Kulik wrote: > On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 07:32 -0700, John Harris wrote: > > > On Monday, August 19, 2019 2:56:58 PM MST Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > > > > the right thing to do is to suspend on inactivity > >

Re: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt [FutureFeature]

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:13:03 PM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 8/20/19 11:15 PM, John Harris wrote: > > > There is no significant fire risk from this. It's just not good for the > > laptop. There's not exactly a temperature range tha

Re: Capitalized name in bugzilla review request and pagure repo

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:31:14 AM MST Dave Love wrote: > [I seem not to have sent this before.] > > Jordan Ogas via devel writes: > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I believe I have an issue. Please direct me to the correct list if the > > following is not applicable here. > > > > > > >

RE: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:32:06 AM MST you wrote: > [quote="JohnMH, post:4, topic:2184, full:true"] > If you’re deadset on using a Discorse subforum where nobody will find you, > would you consider bridging it to a mailing list? > [/quote] > > Without data or metrics about mailing list

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-21 Thread John Harris
On Wednesday, August 21, 2019 2:00:07 AM MST Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:52:18PM -0700, John Harris wrote: > > > Having a container without a package manager sounds like the worst > > possible thing to add to an already poorly implemented solution. In >

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-20 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:05:31 AM MST Christian Glombek wrote: > I would be especially interested in minimizing container images. > I'd like to e.g. see purpose-built containers without an actual package > manager inside. You just have the container, mount the config, and go. > We're also

Re: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-08-20 Thread John Harris
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:33:47 AM MST Gordan Bobic wrote: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:36 AM wrote: > > This seems like a distraction from the real goal here, which is to > > ensure Fedora remains responsive under heavy memory pressure, > > I think this is an overwhelmingly important point,

Re: Projects in Copr @ discussion.f.o

2019-08-20 Thread John Harris
On Friday, August 16, 2019 8:07:17 AM MST Tristan Cacqueray wrote: > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 13:31 Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to soon enable embedded discussion on Copr projects pages. I created: > > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/projects-in-copr > > > > There is

Re: Bug 1742953 - No Screensaver/Powerdown after Inactivity at LUKS Password Prompt [FutureFeature]

2019-08-20 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:19:24 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 9:16 PM John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:45:15 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019

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