Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-09-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400,  Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: Please  do  not  ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:52:04PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Yeah, there really doesn't seem any particular reason for the search box to be there, unless Google was paying us for it to be there or something. Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:19 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while retaining the Firefox name due to a distribution partner agreement with Mozilla. Mozilla gets their money from Google. I don't think we *can* make it something

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:39 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:19 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Fedora gets to build and ship a slightly-modified version of Firefox while retaining the Firefox name due to a distribution partner agreement with Mozilla. Mozilla gets their

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox Start Page, please be prepared to provide a rationale for the change, and how it would benefit the

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:59 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox Start Page, please be prepared to provide a

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:59:27 PM, Matt wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 08:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: It doesn't seem to be an unavoidable requirement, it says: If you proposed Start/Home Page is not similar to the existing Firefox Start Page, please be prepared to provide a

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. Nor for Mozilla to track its users. There shouldn't be a start page

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 16:30 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:20:23 -0400, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. Nor

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:46:53 -0400, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: The update page is remote. If you want to disable it, set startup.homepage_override_url to the empty string. There is also startup.homepage_welcome_url for the first run of the browser. Thanks! -- devel

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-31 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:20 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. This is Linux, not some Microsoft (or Apple) we know what is best for you system. Al I

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:05 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: So why would the policy apply to the search box on http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is not really a piece of infrastructure?

Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a Fedora Solution an

Re: Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote: 3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one? NO. And Fedora Project

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora users and contributors should be able to avoid using them altogether, I think that's currently pretty

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora users and contributors should be able to avoid

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.netwrote: On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 02:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/30/2010 01:01 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: Interesting. I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary search engine on the Fedora start

Re: Proprietary search engines

2010-08-29 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 08/30/2010 01:52 AM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: So why would the policy apply to the search box on http://start.fedoraproject.org , which is just meant for users and is not really a piece of infrastructure? -- Matt Because some people are rather overzealous about