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From: Chris Walker
Date: Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Discrimination and abuse from Jolla employee
Thomas Perl
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
On Mon, 19 M
Kalle,
Please dont mix these two things:
1) what i say
2) how do i work with partners/competitors/others
1) I may say something bad about my competion ..
2) But allways i must cowork with competion on professional level.
It is not possible mix personal feeling to work. I means cases when THP n
2014-05-23 10:38 GMT+03:00 Iekku Pylkka :
> I propose we have topic in next community meeting about need (if any) for
> general conversation mailing list for SailfishOS community related topics
> and keep this as developer mailing list, concentrating on technical details.
> It's not my decision
W dniu 23.05.2014 09:38, Iekku Pylkka pisze:
Ahoy,
From my point of view (as a community member, not a sailor) this
case
is closed. Filip had his opportunity to talk about the topic, community
reserved him 20 minutes to do so, instead he didn't want to talk but
keep on spamming mailing list,
Y
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From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org]
on behalf of Filip Kłębczyk [fklebc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 7:29 AM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Discrimination and abuse from Jolla e
I would like to ask where is Marc usually shouting on stage about the
values? He is also silent.
Where was Jolla community manager through all this time?
Once again isn't it strange that Thomas is silent through all the time?
Have you seen his tweet yesterday?
"Meanwhile, back in the real world
2014-05-23 3:27 GMT+03:00 :
> I am employe in big telco company. And i have few problematic partners. Bur
> always i must answer them quickly and correctly regardless of personal
> antipathy. This is about professionality. :)
Would you then please disclose your company's name so we know which
b
Jarko,
Thank you for these honest and nothing hide words. This is what Jolla need
more.
I appreciate that.
My english is poor - i am not able say all what i have in head and heart. :\
I am employe in big telco company. And i have few problematic partners. Bur
always i must answer them quickl
Dear Kaacz,
You have the right to your opinion. So does everone else. But when you start
making assumptions, it would be good to check the facts and read things with
open mind.
We cannot force anyone to settle their private issues if they don't want or
just right now do not have time to go thro
Some time deaf persons need to be kicked .. :) Next is Jolla chance/lost .. :)
PS: IMHO Jolla is not in dictator position. Maybe will lost more. Jolla is
silence to many problems!! (f.ex. fail with SIM holder, not really fixed!!).
But we are know : main problem is low ammount of "mandays" in c
IMHO .. THP, as sailor, unable to be silent. This is about professionality.
Sorry, for now i got feeling: Jolla is unprofessional horde of tech geeks... :\
Thu May 22 2014 17:41:13 GMT+0200 (CEST), Goulagman napsal:
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Stefano Mosconi
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry Al
Jarko,
I am do not agree. Devel mailing list are not only to discuss technical topics.
This is mailing list between developers .. and use it for solve any problem
related to developers is right.
Kaacz
Thu May 22 2014 15:05:44 GMT+0200 (CEST), Jarko Vihriala napsal:
> This is not about sweepi
Stefano, are you kidding? In small company as Jolla is, each employe has same
statut as politician.. Each acion is public and is understand as
politics/company action. You need learn company political things. Forgot
technician things. Communication with public is more near as politics ..
Kaacz
Stefano .. Professionally.. ? Lol. Are you kidding? You are only fight on
nationally side. Sorry.. :)
Kaacz
Thu May 22 2014 09:52:27 GMT+0200 (CEST), Joona Hoikkala napsal:
> Let this be the closing message of this topic.
>
> Stefano is handling the issue very professionally, kudos to him for t
On 22 May 2014, at 23:47, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> I wonder if they will ever agree to publish all the mails Developer Care and
> Iekku sent to me on this case, so we could get chronology and all would see
> their replies, when and what they replied etc.
>
> Also Stefano doesn't want to agree
I wonder if they will ever agree to publish all the mails Developer Care
and Iekku sent to me on this case, so we could get chronology and all
would see their replies, when and what they replied etc.
Also Stefano doesn't want to agree to publish mails he sent to me in the
last days.
Real tra
On Thursday 22 May 2014 21:24 Ove Kåven wrote:
> On 22. mai 2014 15:05, Jarko Vihriala wrote:
> > This is not about sweeping dust but please take your epistola to some
> > other channel.
> I would rather this thread continued right here.
>
> As an owner of a preordered Jolla phone, and as an app d
On 22. mai 2014 15:05, Jarko Vihriala wrote:
This is not about sweeping dust but please take your epistola to some other
channel.
I would rather this thread continued right here.
As an owner of a preordered Jolla phone, and as an app developer, I'm
quite interested in the behaviour and ethic
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Stefano Mosconi
wrote:
>
> Sorry Alexander, you are now putting words in my mouth...
>
> My answer was:
>
>
> "This is a private issue that does not belong here nor to Jolla."
>
> I didn't say: "Jolla has nothing to say on this case."
>
> We will have a community m
On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:09:10 +0200
Mikael Hermansson wrote:
[snip 1]
> And please do not reply this message on the mailinglist because I
> will not be available answer since I from know on unsubscribe to the
> forum until this discussions stops!
[massive snip]
Technical question!
How will you k
W dniu 22.05.2014 15:05, Jarko Vihriala pisze:
This is not about sweeping dust but please take your epistola to some other
channel. This is a SailfishOS Devel mailing list and it is used to discuss
technical topics. If there is need, we evaluate existence of other mailing
lists. If you continu
This is not about sweeping dust but please take your epistola to some other
channel. This is a SailfishOS Devel mailing list and it is used to discuss
technical topics. If there is need, we evaluate existence of other mailing
lists. If you continue to flood this information channel we have to ta
Hello,
So as I've promised I will express my opinions on the meeting and what
was said there on the mailing list.
So first of all second meeting point was supposed to be about taking
steps to solve the conflict proposed in my mail:
http://wklej.org/id/1369055/
I've chosen to be silent, beca
W dniu 22.05.2014 10:47, Kalle Vahlman pisze:
2014-05-22 11:17 GMT+03:00 Filip Kłębczyk :
It's my proposal of steps that in my
opinion could led to solving the issue, that I've sent to Stefano yesterday
(in a private message, but I'm its author so I have right to publish it):
http://wklej.org/i
2014-05-22 11:17 GMT+03:00 Filip Kłębczyk :
It's my proposal of steps that in my
> opinion could led to solving the issue, that I've sent to Stefano yesterday
> (in a private message, but I'm its author so I have right to publish it):
>
> http://wklej.org/id/1369055/
Sounds like a peace treaty neg
W dniu 22.05.2014 09:25, Stefano Mosconi pisze:
We will have a community meeting today where the issue will be discussed
(with Jolla and community) as it happens in every community.
So as person who put that point to agenda (not Jolla) I would like to
add some important material to this topic.
Let this be the closing message of this topic.
Stefano is handling the issue very professionally, kudos to him for that.
I doubt that there's anything constructive left to say at this point.
As entertaining as it is to follow the personal drama here, it's very
distracting.
On 22 May 2014, at
On 22/05/14 10:00, Goulagman wrote:
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Tone Kastlunger mailto:users.giulie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But Jolla has nix & nada to do with this, IMO. In including the company, you
are hurting the company.
Let's put it this way: you are the CEO of a company. You
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Tone Kastlunger
wrote:
> But Jolla has nix & nada to do with this, IMO. In including the company,
> you are hurting the company.
>
Let's put it this way: you are the CEO of a company. You hire an engineer.
After a while, you discover that this engineer has persona
W dniu 21.05.2014 22:49, Tone Kastlunger pisze:
Thank you for your reply, I'll take it as an honest one.
So to me this sounds like it is worth making a mess about it, but only
by telling part of the whole story.
I do not belive this is completely fair to the audience (or the part of
the audience
Thank you for your reply, I'll take it as an honest one.
So to me this sounds like it is worth making a mess about it, but only by
telling part of the whole story.
I do not belive this is completely fair to the audience (or the part of the
audience who might be interested in this mailing list);
wit
W dniu 21.05.2014 21:19, Tone Kastlunger pisze:
What keeps you from mentioning the reasons to the conflict between you
and THP?
I think it would be embarrassing for both me and Thomas going into all
the details and I don't know if it will help in any way to solve the
problem pointed here - so
>So Thomas Perl and I were in a conflict since beginning of 2013, before he
was a Jolla employee. From his side I've received insults (was >compared to
psycho, called asshole etc.) and even threats (he was threatening me to
discredit me in Python community, also he was >threatening publish my
priva
Hello Stefano,
Thanks for your answer.
this is a private issue that does not belong here nor to Jolla. It's
> difficult to separate the personal problem sphere from the answer to your
> questions.
>
I have tried to sort out the public matter out of all these personal
problems. I'm gonna be selfi
W dniu 21.05.2014 18:46, Saija Saarenpää pisze:
I also hate to see there are conflicts in the field where we all are
"fighting" in the same side, for a greater common good (open source,
underdog OS, you name it). I wish all the best for you guys and I
hope you can solve things out and we can cont
W dniu 21.05.2014 18:35, Chris Walker pisze:
As the first person to respond to this thread, I said I was
disappointed. I am even more disappointed now. I'm afraid you lost
me when you shot yourself in the foot by posting private content on
here. That was a private conversation and should have re
I also hate to see there are conflicts in the field where we all are "fighting"
in the same side, for a greater common good (open source, underdog OS, you name
it). I wish all the best for you guys and I hope you can solve things out and
we can continue work our way together for the common benef
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:43:24 +0200
Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> W dniu 20.05.2014 20:30, Tone Kastlunger pisze:
> > IMHO,
> > and with all respect,
> > personally I am not interested in cutthorat and dagger, but rather
> > interested in development issues.
>
> Feel free to not read this thread. It's
W dniu 21.05.2014 17:06, Jarko Vihriala pisze:
This case is one topic on the upcoming SailfishOS meeting.
Yes I've added it even though I don't know if it's the best idea.
Regards,
Filip
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This case is one topic on the upcoming SailfishOS meeting.
On Wed May 21 2014 15:20:30 GMT+0300 (EEST), Iosif Hamlatzis wrote:
> I as an indie developer want to know if something is going on that will
> affect the future of the company. Not only because I have invested money, but
> more import
I as an indie developer want to know if something is going on that will
affect the future of the company. Not only because I have invested money,
but more importantly because I am investing time.
Also I do want to know what to expect in the future in case I come to a
similar situation.
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On 20/05/14 23:13, Goulagman wrote:
> I am not interested in personal problems either.
[snip]
*So I think that an official answer from Jolla is required on these particular
questions: Apparently, a request has been made by one of your employee to
exclude a developer from a public event. Could y
Wed May 21 2014 13:23:12 GMT+0200 (CEST), Stefano Mosconi napsal:
> On 20/05/14 21:20, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> > I've read that answer and I think people are interested in what you wrote.
>
> According to the answers I have seen so far most people don't share the same
> opinion.
But most other
W dniu 21.05.2014 13:23, Stefano Mosconi pisze:
On 20/05/14 21:20, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
I've read that answer and I think people are interested in what you
wrote.
According to the answers I have seen so far most people don't share the
same opinion.
Well it all depends where you look and wh
On 5/21/2014 6:51 PM, Tone Kastlunger wrote:
"Merlin1991 verschob die Seite Hack-A-Jolla nach Hack-A-Handy: event
umbenannt um den Sailfish Overlords nicht aufzufallen"
This basically just points out the fact they renamed the event from
Hack-A-Jolla to hack-a-handy, in order not to get unnecess
On 20/05/14 21:20, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
I've read that answer and I think people are interested in what you wrote.
According to the answers I have seen so far most people don't share the same
opinion.
Briefly speaking I can say that Stefano doesn't see any problem at all.
You are speakin
"Merlin1991 verschob die Seite Hack-A-Jolla nach Hack-A-Handy: event
umbenannt um den Sailfish Overlords nicht aufzufallen"
This basically just points out the fact they renamed the event from
Hack-A-Jolla to hack-a-handy, in order not to get unnecessary attention
from the "Sailfish Overlords"
On
Filip, what do you intend to achieve by posting your tirade in this
mailing list?
I saw your message, looked at the IRC logs you posted, looked at the
responses that Stskeeps and thp gave you and I didn't see anything in
there that would indicate that they're out to "break you" or ignore
you out of
W dniu 20.05.2014 22:13, Goulagman pisze:
I'm afraid that without any further proofs of people supporting one side
or another, we can't go further on this complaint. But that's only my
opinion.
As a supplement.
Wiki site of the event:
https://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-Handy
Also check it's his
Hi Filip,
*TL;DR: read only the bold paragraph.*
I am not interested in personal problems either. However, from what I read,
I understand that you only posted here as a last resort. I think that other
people could take that into account before making any critics.
Your mail is very dense, maybe t
W dniu 20.05.2014 20:52, Mikael Hermansson pisze:
Sorry but you are out of line now. Your gave your point in your first
post but keep repeating in this mailinglist is pointless!
The mailinglist is for development. I am personally not intrested
reading flamewar in here! Now if you want to continu
Sorry but you are out of line now. Your gave your point in your first post but
keep
repeating in this mailinglist is pointless!
The mailinglist is for development. I am personally not intrested reading
flamewar in here! Now if you want to continue do it elsewhere like TMO or
similar
/
mi
W dniu 20.05.2014 20:30, Tone Kastlunger pisze:
IMHO,
and with all respect,
personally I am not interested in cutthorat and dagger, but rather
interested in development issues.
Feel free to not read this thread. It's your choice what you read or not.
Regards,
Filip
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IMHO,
and with all respect,
personally I am not interested in cutthorat and dagger, but rather
interested in development issues.
Best,
tortoisedoc
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> W dniu 20.05.2014 18:17, Stefano Mosconi pisze:
>
> On 19/05/2014 12:41, Filip Kłębczyk wr
W dniu 20.05.2014 18:17, Stefano Mosconi pisze:
On 19/05/2014 12:41, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
Hello,
Hi Filip,
I'm writing on developers list, because I wanted to express my
disappointment with a serious problem that Jolla has and tries to hide
under the carpet.
[snip]
I have answered you pr
On 19/05/2014 12:41, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
Hello,
Hi Filip,
I'm writing on developers list, because I wanted to express my
disappointment with a serious problem that Jolla has and tries to hide
under the carpet.
[snip]
I have answered you privately as I don't think this is the correct plac
+10
From: Filip Kłębczyk
Date: 2014-05-20 16:55
To: devel
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Discrimination and abuse from Jolla employee
Thomas Perl
W dniu 19.05.2014 20:12, Chris Walker pisze:
>
> One is that this needed to appear here at all and
W dniu 19.05.2014 20:12, Chris Walker pisze:
One is that this needed to appear here at all and second that there
*appears* to have been no follow up from anybody at Jolla and in
particular, Thomas Perl.
That doesn't surprise me at all that Jolla hasn't responded yet. It's a
known pattern for
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:41:16 +0200
Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm writing on developers list, because I wanted to express my
> disappointment ...
I'd like to express my disappointment for a couple of reasons.
One is that this needed to appear here at all and second that there
*appears
Hello,
I'm writing on developers list, because I wanted to express my
disappointment with a serious problem that Jolla has and tries to hide
under the carpet. Thanks to that from a strong supporter back when Jolla
appeared on scene (almost 2 years ago) I became heavily disappointed
with this
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