Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
hardware.
2) Got themselves an X driver?
As of the time of this writing,
http://search.eb
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
> manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
>
> 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
> hardware.
> 2) Got thems
--- Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> > Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer,
> what
> > manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
> >
> > 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specificatio
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 11:47:19AM -0800, Alex Deucher wrote:
>
> SMI (silicon motion) publishes full specs for their chips, however, I'm
> not sure you can find an agp card with an SMI chip on it. usually they
> are in notebooks and pdas.
>
> specs are also available for 3dfx chips.
where is
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:43:17PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
> manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
>
> 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
> hardware.
> 2) Got them
Ryan Underwood wrote:
Your request for free publication is undeniably idealistic. I think it
is a perfectly reasonable compromise to provide specs under NDA to
developers who have shown themselves to be productive and trustworthy in
the past, e.g. by contributing to XFree86 or producing and suppo
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 04:55:29PM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>
> Your request for free publication is undeniably idealistic. I think it
> is a perfectly reasonable compromise to provide specs under NDA to
> developers who have shown themselves to be productive and trustworthy in
> the past, e.
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:05:28AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
>
> The problem is that none of the NDAs I have seen (which is not that
> many) explicitly give you the rights to release source code based on
> documentation on NDA. If you happen to work for a company that is
> extremely cautious
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:19:01PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
>
> What about freely publish the documentation for older chips? That
> should help both the beginner developer to find his way around and the
> chip manufacturer push the terms he is using and his general way of
> doing things.
Oh,
Ryan Underwood wrote:
I agree. To illuminate that point, a friend of mine applied for a NDA
with Xerox to develop a Ghostscript filter for some of their inkjet
printers. Upon receiving the NDA document, he realized that it
specifically barred him from releasing any source code that he would
deve
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:42:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
> There are some 3dlabs and mga databooks floating around on the net but I
> don't know if they are legal to obtain/link to.
Well, there is documentation for 3Dlabs permedia2 floating around, and i
believe it is legal. They were obtai
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
>manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
>
>1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
> hardware.
The list of vendors that freely publish t
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>> SMI (silicon motion) publishes full specs for their chips, however, I'm
>> not sure you can find an agp card with an SMI chip on it. usually they
>> are in notebooks and pdas.
>>
>> specs are also available for 3dfx chips.
>
>where is the docs for th
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>> Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
>> manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that:
>>
>> 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP
>> hardware.
>> 2) Got themselves an X
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 19:19, Shaul Karl wrote:
> As for the claim that some people might give up on buying
> new hardware, creating a secondary market for his old hardware should
> compensate for it because it should give him a bigger share of the market
> for new hardware too.
I've personally g
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Mike A. Harris wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what
manufacturers I am
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
> That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
> R300 specs under NDA.
Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for
R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had the
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> >
> > That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
> > R300 specs under NDA.
>
> Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qu
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the
> > > R300 specs under
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> >Matrox (82)
>
> None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail
> under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their
> private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong
> place.
AFAIK they don
--- Ryan Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not entirely true.
Knut J Bjuland wrote:
It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000
works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean n
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 09:21 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote:
> Knut J Bjuland wrote:
>
> > It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e
R300
> > chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope?
>
>
> Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows
Ryan Underwood wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>
>>> Matrox (82)
>>
>>None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail
>>under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their
>>private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:21:07PM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK they don't answer developer relations requests anymore for open
> > source folks. At least I've never had a request accepted, and I've been
>
> Does any developers here have access to specs for new-ish Matrox cards lik
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:42:59PM +, Torgeir Veimo wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000
> > works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean
> nothing
> > but 011010111010110111) of a memory image.
> >
> > You could probably fig
Mike A. Harris wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have
been unable to locate them.
In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it,
behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a
very
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 05:41 am, Ryan Underwood wrote:
> It usually
> works pretty well for simple stuff and especially things connected to
> e.g. serial and parallel ports, because you can get a log of all the port
> writes for a given function and work b
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Knut J Bjuland wrote:
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote:
>> > Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for
>> > R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had them
>> > and not a lot of people saying "I've got em"... :)
>>
>> And in any way, i guess this doesn't inc
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Ian Romanick wrote:
>>>where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have
>>>been unable to locate them.
>>
>> In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it,
>> behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a
>> very long
Brad Hards wrote:
Is it possible to insert a "shim" in the Windows video call chain? We
have
something like that for USB
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/) and
it works pretty well.
Do you mean between a Windows display driver and the PCI bus, so that
you can snaggle all the I/O port
On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:16:44PM +1100, Brad Hards wrote:
> Is it possible to insert a "shim" in the Windows video call chain? We have
> something like that for USB (http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/) and
> it works pretty well.
>
> Alternatively, are there tools (even for pay) that c
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> >It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300
> >chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope
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