Hi,
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 04:17:49PM +0200, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
wrote:
> While Freenode won't shut down tomorrow morning, this still raises some
> questions whether Qt wants to keep its community there or move to another
> network.
Well, turns out it did shut down some channels e
On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 07:04:01AM +, Eike Ziller wrote:
> > I hear will be forgotten a few days later. If I hear something important, I
> > might
> > take a note, in an explicit, extra step. Under no circumstances I will be
> > able to
> > "remember" something someone said in a room I wasn't
On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 6:09 PM Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
wrote:
>
> On 21/05/2021 16:26, Aleix Pol wrote:
> > I'd say embracing matrix can only be a positive iteration for the Qt
> > project. I've personally been in #qt-labs for about a year through our
> > matrix servers and it has serve
Den fre 21 maj 2021 kl 20:25 skrev Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
:
>
> On 21/05/2021 20:03, Tuukka Turunen wrote:
> >
> > Before simply voting for new irc provider, I would still prefer to have
> > the QtCS discussion on the topic.
> >
> > We should also discuss and define what is the intention
On 21/05/2021 20:03, Tuukka Turunen wrote:
Before simply voting for new irc provider, I would still prefer to have
the QtCS discussion on the topic.
We should also discuss and define what is the intention / intentions of
the channels, because this can affect the choice.
I am NOT proposing
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Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
On 21/05/2021 14:40, Cristián Maureira-Fr
On 21/05/2021 16:26, Aleix Pol wrote:
I'd say embracing matrix can only be a positive iteration for the Qt
project. I've personally been in #qt-labs for about a year through our
matrix servers and it has served its purpose.
You are welcome to join KDE's matrix server and give it a go. If Qt
deci
On 21/05/2021 14:40, Cristián Maureira-Fredes wrote:
@Giuseppe regarding the consensus, should we do a thread for voting
the movement to libera only? or you think we could agree differently
of doing the move.
Yes, I'm afraid that I screwed this one up, apologies :(
I'll guess I'll start a new
> >> I would like to get back to doing more of our development discussions out
> >> in the open
> >> (like it should be), but right now IRC is not something I want to go back
> >> to for
> >> that.
> >
> > I also think that having development related discussions in internal Teams
> > channels
>
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 8:46 PM Carl Schwan wrote:
>
> Le jeudi, mai 20, 2021 2:18 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote:
> > >
> > > > -
On 5/20/21 8:46 PM, Carl Schwan wrote:
Le jeudi, mai 20, 2021 2:18 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
a écrit :
[snip]
Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote?
I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference.
I believe the bes
Am 20.05.21 um 20:57 schrieb André Pönitz:
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:59:31AM +, Andy Nichols wrote:
The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord channels,
QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram.
Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? The IR
> On May 20, 2021, at 20:57, André Pönitz wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:59:31AM +, Andy Nichols wrote:
The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord
channels,
QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram.
>>
>>> Are any of these channels en
On Thu, May 20, 2021, 21:03 André Pönitz wrote:
> Works as designed. Freenode never endorsed public logging.
>
> Chat is for ephemeral contents, like normal speech.
>
I always chat as it it was logged, even in IRC: It is easy to log, so
people are logging. There may not be "official" logs, but t
Hello,
Il 20/05/21 20:46, Carl Schwan ha scritto:
I believe the best course of action would be to wait a bit until KDE moves
its freenode presence to libera (should happen soon).
Is this decision already taken? I didn't find an outcome of the
discussion on kde-community.
And then Qt can m
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 11:59:31AM +, Andy Nichols wrote:
> >> The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord
> >> channels,
> >> QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram.
>
> > Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project? The IRC channels
> > are, that
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 08:34:50PM +0200, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
wrote:
> On 19/05/2021 19:31, André Pönitz wrote:
> >
> > And now since we are on it: Can someone please remove the +r from #qt ?
> > All other #qt-* channels at FreeNode are fine without.
>
> You could just ask... on IR
Le jeudi, mai 20, 2021 2:18 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote:
> >
> > > - there's no registration required;
> > > - the $newthing has proven st
> On 20. May 2021, at 19:20, Robert Löhning wrote:
>
> Am 20.05.21 um 15:18 schrieb Alexandru Croitor:
>> Hi,
>> In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to something
>> more modern.
>> (..)
>> Matrix is open source, has Qt based clients, has modern features, and if
>> pu
Am 20.05.21 um 15:18 schrieb Alexandru Croitor:
Hi,
In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to something
more modern.
(..)
Matrix is open source, has Qt based clients, has modern features, and if push
comes to shove, can bridge with IRC.
Hi Alexandru,
could you plea
nt@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
> Anyways: this isn't the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is
> what to do with the currently officially endorsed IRC channels on Freenode.
Sure it is. My vote is to do nothing (stay on Freen
On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
>> Also, I don't understand how not having to register can be a
>> requirement at all, given that one needs to register, sometimes
>> multiple times, to use some of the other official channels. E.g. to
>> participate in the mailing list I of course need t
> Anyways: this isn't the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is
> what to do with the currently officially endorsed IRC channels on Freenode.
Sure it is. My vote is to do nothing (stay on Freenode), and let our IRC
presence continue its fade into obscurity.
Then replace it with som
For mode detail about the situation, I consulted:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover
https://www.kline.sh/
In the past my use of IRC was limited by firewalls. If at all possible,
whatever is moved to, I would request be web-accessable (https).
F
Il 20/05/21 15:42, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto:
Does this require the Qt project to host a Matrix server/entry point, or do you
mean to ask KDE to use theirs?
I was thinking of asking them to use theirs.
You know the follow up question: what's in there for KDE? :-)
Thanks,
--
Giuseppe D'Ang
Il 20/05/21 13:59, Andy Nichols ha scritto:
Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project?
The IRC channels are, that's why I'm raising the question here.
They probably should be. We list those in our "Online Communities" wiki. I'm
active on the Qt Discord and its quite lively and inte
> On 20. May 2021, at 15:38, Giuseppe D'Angelo
> wrote:
>
> Il 20/05/21 15:18, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto:
>> Given that KDE is using Matrix, I think it seems like a natural idea to join
>> their network, which would bring us closer and hopefully facilitate more
>> collaboration. I don't e
Il 20/05/21 15:18, Alexandru Croitor ha scritto:
Given that KDE is using Matrix, I think it seems like a natural idea to join
their network, which would bring us closer and hopefully facilitate more
collaboration. I don't expect a few additional qt channels will overload their
network.
Does
> On 20. May 2021, at 15:18, Alexandru Croitor wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> On 20. May 2021, at 14:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
>> wrote:
>>
>> Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote?
>> I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference.
>
>
Hi,
> On 20. May 2021, at 14:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
> wrote:
>
> Lacking some formal voting infrastructure, how do we take this vote?
> I'd say, KISS: please reply to this email and express your preference.
In my opinion this is a good opportunity to move away from IRC to someth
>> I did notice that the Godot (open source Game
>> engine) community have recently officially moved there development
>> chat to Discord from Freenode (IRC) and The server is very active and
>> vibrant.
> I believe only their development and contribution channel was /moved/, and
> they use a
On Thu, 20 May 2021 11:59:31 +
Andy Nichols wrote:
> I did notice that the Godot (open source Game
> engine) community have recently officially moved there development chat
> to Discord from Freenode (IRC) and The server is very active and vibrant.
I believe only their development and contri
Hi,
On 20/05/2021 13:47, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote:
* there's no registration required;
* the $newthing has proven stability, staff, resources, etc., and won't
disappear in a few months/years;
* ...
then anything is fine
ment On Behalf Of Giuseppe
D'Angelo via Development
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 12:10 PM
To: Lorn Potter
Cc: development@qt-project.org
Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
Hi,
On 20/05/2021 12:02, lj p wrote:
> The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the
On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 8:16 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development wrote:
> * there's no registration required;
> * the $newthing has proven stability, staff, resources, etc., and won't
> disappear in a few months/years;
> * ...
>
> then anything is fine.
>
> All other things being equal, the
Hi,
On 20/05/2021 12:02, lj p wrote:
The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord channels, QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram.
Are any of these channels endorsed by the Qt project?
The IRC channels are, that's why I'm raising the question here.
Not to men
> On 20 May 2021, at 12:17 am, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
> wrote:
> [snip]
The chat channels are fragmented these days. There’s the Qt discord channels,
QtMob on Slack, Qt and Advanced C++ on Telegram. Not to mention freenode ones,
that no one uses anymore, or the internal Qt Company
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason H
> Subject: Re: RE: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
>
>
> > Can we agree to keep the bashing out of this channel?
>
> You raise important questions. First, what is "bashing", and where is it
> ap
On 19/05/2021 22:41, Tuukka Turunen wrote:
While many are still somewhat tuned in on the IRC channel it is clear
that the traffic is very modest. It may be that having another system
would work better, or perhaps the mailing lists and other available
channels are adequate for the need.
To say
On 19/05/2021 22:12, Jason H wrote:
where is it appropriate?
Possibly, not in a thread that tries to talk about the Qt community
presence on IRC...?
Thanks,
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Aihe: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
> Can we agree to keep the bashing out of this channel?
You raise important questions. First, what is "bashing", and where is it
appropriate? Or, as I see my behavior, where is being critical of Digia
appropriate?
> Can we agree to keep the bashing out of this channel?
You raise important questions. First, what is "bashing", and where is it
appropriate? Or, as I see my behavior, where is being critical of Digia
appropriate?
As a long-time Qt user (first commercial license was for 3.3.3) I've seen it go
On 19/05/2021 19:31, André Pönitz wrote:
And now since we are on it: Can someone please remove the +r from #qt ?
All other #qt-* channels at FreeNode are fine without.
You could just ask... on IRC :-)
It was done to prevent spam. #qt gets periodically rallied by spambots,
which tend to ignor
> On 2021 May 19, at 18:21, Jason H wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote:
>>>
>>> Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord?
>>
>> Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free
>> software project.
>
> QtCentre is not free software
>
On 19/05/2021 18:21, Jason H wrote:
QtCentre is not free software
forum.qt.io is not free software
What is the point of having alignment on the license of the service with the project
license? Shouldn't the service be able to pick the best (for various definitions of
"best") software for provi
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 05:03:24PM +0200, Ulf Hermann wrote:
> > Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take
> > this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the
> > official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is
> > not at all accessible fo
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 02:37:26PM +, Andy Nichols wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take
> this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official
> Qt Project chat.
>
> IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all access
> -Original Message-
> From: Development On Behalf Of Jason H
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2021 17:26
> To: giuseppe.dang...@kdab.com
> Cc: development@qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
>
> Aren't all the kids thes
> Hi!
>
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote:
> >
> > Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord?
>
> Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free
> software project.
QtCentre is not free software
forum.qt.io is not free software
What is the point of having
On 5/19/21 11:57 AM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free
software project.
+1
Kyle
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On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 12:30, Jason H wrote:
>
> Aren't all the kids these days moving to Discord?
Discord is not free software, so it does not align well with a free
software project.
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Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 5:24 PM, Shawn Rutledge a
écrit :
> > On 2021 May 19, at 17:14, Carl Schwan wrote:
> >
> > Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rather than just move to ano
.)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 10:49 AM
> From: "Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development"
> To: development@qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
>
> On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote:
> > Rather than just move t
On 2021 May 19, at 17:14, Carl Schwan
mailto:c...@carlschwan.eu>> wrote:
Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
mailto:development@qt-project.org>> a écrit :
On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote:
Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really t
Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 4:49 PM, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
a écrit :
> On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote:
>
> > Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as
> > an opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project
> > chat. IRC
Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take
this as an opportunity to move to another chat service as the
official Qt Project chat. IRC has a terrible user experience and is
not at all accessible for people who haven't been using it for
decades like many of us. It does us a
On 19/05/2021 16:37, Andy Nichols wrote:
Rather than just move to another IRC server, we should really take this as an
opportunity to move to another chat service as the official Qt Project chat.
IRC has a terrible user experience and is not at all accessible for people who
haven't been using
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 11:18, Giuseppe D'Angelo via Development
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Freenode, the network that hosts our IRC communities, is in the middle
> of some important community changes. TL;DR: most of the volunteer staff
> resigned in protest with what looks like a sell-out of the network a
lf Of Giuseppe
D'Angelo via Development
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 4:18 PM
To: development@qt-project.org
Subject: [Development] Changes to Freenode's IRC
Hi,
Freenode, the network that hosts our IRC communities, is in the middle
of some important community changes. TL;DR: most of the
Hi,
Freenode, the network that hosts our IRC communities, is in the middle
of some important community changes. TL;DR: most of the volunteer staff
resigned in protest with what looks like a sell-out of the network and
its user data.
You can read some more details here:
https://www.kline.sh
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