Am Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015, 16:13:32 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> Then we should fix the build script to auto-detect their locations?
> First we need a build script so we can have such one-time logic...
No, we should just fix the README.
Best wishes,
Arne
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On 15/10/15 21:29, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015, 18:26:49 schrieb Florent Daigniere:
>> On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 17:38 +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>>> Though maybe we could also get the same done with easier to follow
>>> documentation (just hosting the jars w
Am Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015, 18:26:49 schrieb Florent Daigniere:
> On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 17:38 +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> > Though maybe we could also get the same done with easier to follow
> > documentation (just hosting the jars where people can download them)
>
> Like https://ja
On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 17:38 +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 21:12:28 schrieb Steve Dougherty:
> > > Why not? It could simplify getting into development a lot if
> > > people
> > > would only have to install a generic java development
> > > environment.
> > It ta
Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 21:12:28 schrieb Steve Dougherty:
> > Why not? It could simplify getting into development a lot if people
> > would only have to install a generic java development environment.
> It takes extra storage and bandwidth for something the vast majority of
> people will nev
Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 18:07:02 schrieb Ian:
> If your bootstrap gcc isn't compiled from source then it's irrelevant what
> else is. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack
There are ways to counter that to some degree:
http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/
Fully Countering Trusting
If your bootstrap gcc isn't compiled from source then it's irrelevant what
else is. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack
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On Oct 13, 2015 5:14 PM, "Arne Babenhauserheide" wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 10:13:07 schrieb Ian:
> >
Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 10:13:07 schrieb Ian:
> Can you explain to me how anyone can use a modern computer for anything
> without trusting someone else's binaries? Let's live in reality here.
Gentoo GNU/Linux builds everything from source, and once gcc is
bootstrapped and the stage3-files
It takes extra storage and bandwidth for something the vast majority of
people will never need.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 5:08 PM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 14:13:00 schrieb Steve Dougherty:
> > We already distribute runtime dependencies with Freenet; I don't think
Am Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015, 14:13:00 schrieb Steve Dougherty:
> We already distribute runtime dependencies with Freenet; I don't think it
> would be reasonable to distribute things required only for development like
> JUnit / Hamcrest.
Why not? It could simplify getting into development a lot i
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:13:07AM -0400, Ian wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:26 AM, wrote:
> >
> > That's far from the only danger...
> >
> > If we make "building freenet" depend on "running freenet" to "download
> > freenet over freenet", I'd like someone to explain to me how it can work
> >
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:26 AM, wrote:
>
> That's far from the only danger...
>
> If we make "building freenet" depend on "running freenet" to "download
> freenet over freenet", I'd like someone to explain to me how it can work
> without trusting someone else's binaries.
>
Can you explain to me
We already distribute runtime dependencies with Freenet; I don't think it
would be reasonable to distribute things required only for development like
JUnit / Hamcrest.
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 5:37 PM Arne Babenhauserheide @ web.de > wrote:
Am Montag, 12. Oktober 2015, 13:09:48 schrieb
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 07:47:22PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> The second stage is this: Do we want to write a Gradle plugin to manage
> dependencies.properties? Essentially this would make adding external
> run-time dependencies significantly easier. The cost is we'd need to
> maintain a repo
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 01:09:48PM -0400, Ian wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide
> wrote:
>
> > Am Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2015, 20:37:32 schrieb Zlatin Balevsky:
> > > Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to
> > use
> > > a tor proxy
> >
Am Montag, 12. Oktober 2015, 13:09:48 schrieb Ian:
> > Can we make Tor or repo-over-freenet the default for people who build
> > freenet?
>
> Since Freenet can (in theory) do it, I think it would be much better to use
> Freenet from an "eat your own dogfood" perspective. I think the only
> danger
On 12/10/15 18:09, Ian wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide
> wrote:
>
>> Am Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2015, 20:37:32 schrieb Zlatin Balevsky:
>>> Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to
>> use
>>> a tor proxy
>> Can we make Tor or repo-over-fr
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide
wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2015, 20:37:32 schrieb Zlatin Balevsky:
> > Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to
> use
> > a tor proxy
>
> Can we make Tor or repo-over-freenet the default for people who bui
Am Sonntag, 11. Oktober 2015, 20:37:32 schrieb Zlatin Balevsky:
> Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to use
> a tor proxy
Can we make Tor or repo-over-freenet the default for people who build
freenet?
Best wishes,
Arne
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Good point. Or we could mirror the repos in Freenet, more dogfoody.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to use
> a tor proxy
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Steve Dougherty
> wrote:
>
> > On 10/10/20
Developers who care about their anonymity can force gradle or maven to use
a tor proxy
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Steve Dougherty
wrote:
> On 10/10/2015 04:14 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > On 06/10/15 15:10, Ian Clarke wrote:
> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:39 AM, xor wrote:
> ...
> > Dep
On 10/10/2015 04:14 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 06/10/15 15:10, Ian Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:39 AM, xor wrote:
...
> Deploying build-time dependencies via Gradle is not appropriate IMHO: It
> means updating them is *our* responsibility, and it increases our
> maintenance over
On 06/10/15 15:10, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:39 AM, xor wrote:
>
2) What can Maven do which Ant cannot do? Do we need those features?
>>> Dependency management
There is a lot of important context being missed in this discussion, in
particular what our needs are and what our
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