Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-06 Thread Frank v Waveren
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:24:52AM +, Toad wrote: Why? Accesses from localhost are unlimited anyway. This setting only affects runners of public nodes. Not all of us run fred on their desktop machines.. -- Frank v Waveren Fingerprint: 21A7 C7F3 [EMAIL

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-06 Thread Roger Hayter
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank v Waveren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:24:52AM +, Toad wrote: Why? Accesses from localhost are unlimited anyway. This setting only affects runners of public nodes. Not all of us run fred on their desktop machines.. 'Specially not

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-05 Thread Juiceman
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Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-05 Thread Juiceman
from the freenet.ini file: # set yes to not bandwidth throttle connections to LocalInterfaces i.e. FCP and mainportdontLimitClients=false Set this as true by default. ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-05 Thread Toad
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:46:20PM -0500, Juiceman wrote: from the freenet.ini file: # set yes to not bandwidth throttle connections to LocalInterfaces i.e. FCP and mainport dontLimitClients=false Set this as true by default. Why? Accesses from localhost are unlimited anyway. This

RE: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
Remember the SSK Anarchy freesite? -- jj Please, don't make us remember.. Public private keys brings out the worst parts of people. /N ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-04 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 10:51:22PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: They don't have to be world writable. The node that has it writes to it. If it is under an SSK and is signed by that key, it can't do anything and get away with it. Then it

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:12:33PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: If you expect only a .08% psuccess How do you know that 92% of requests aren't for data that isn't in the network. You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I think the frost project has to die

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Ian Clarke
Tracy R Reed wrote: It would be nice if there were a psuccess measurement which did not include KSK's. IIRC Frost also inserts under SSKs. With an 8% psuccess rate I would have to insert a splitfile with around 1000% redundancy to be able to get it on the first try. Erm, no - you are assuming

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: When and who scoffed? Quotes please. I was carefully picking through the NGR code and encouraging others to do-so. The scientific method is to conduct an experiment, and see whether things improve. To the extent a

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Ian Clarke
Tracy R Reed wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: toad, last week I think. I don't have the IRC logs hanging around. Well, toad is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own statements. By that argument almost none of non-symbolic AI would work since

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I think the frost project has to die because it is killing the rest of the network. But I'm not sure that it is. It would be nice if there were a psuccess measurement

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:16:32PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:45PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: With NGR finally starting to meet expectations, we need to think about what lies between now and our 0.6 release. If you expect only a .08% psuccess and barely

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:10:13AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:12:33PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: If you expect only a .08% psuccess How do you know that 92% of requests aren't for data that isn't in the network. You are implying that frost is the

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:42:02AM +, Toad spake thusly: that's fine but I rather expected a bit more. :) My psuccess is slowly creaping up (it was .02% for so long) so hopefully it's just a matter of Are you sure that's % ? 0.02% = 0.0002... Oops, you are right. Should be .02 or 2%.

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now somebody would reintroduce it post 1.0 and mess up a network adapted to no Frost. We need to

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:58:03AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: When and who scoffed? Quotes please. I was carefully picking through the NGR code and encouraging others to do-so. The scientific method is to conduct an

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:24:42AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: Tracy R Reed wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: toad, last week I think. I don't have the IRC logs hanging around. Well, toad is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own statements. By

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I think the frost project has to die because it is killing the rest of the network. But I'm not sure

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:03:29PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now somebody would reintroduce it

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 07:18 pm, Toad wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I think the frost project has to die because it is

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:22:08PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 07:18 pm, Toad wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: How can the next to last node in the chain know how long the message took to get to it? Doesn't it just estimate how long it would take to get it successfully. Uhm, what? The calculation assumes that if the request fails, the origin node

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:07:25PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: How can the next to last node in the chain know how long the message took to get to it? Doesn't it just estimate how long it would take to get it successfully. Uhm, what?

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread fish
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:03:29PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now somebody would reintroduce it

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Frank v Waveren
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:04:25AM +, Toad wrote: AFAICS, NGRouting should have *more* obvious specialization than classic routing, because of the relatively small amount of information in the estimators. Classic routing allowed many tiny specializations - NGRouting doesn't understand such

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: They don't have to be world writable. The node that has it writes to it. If it is under an SSK and is signed by that key, it can't do anything and get away with it. Then it enforces only allowing the other keys listed to append their own

[freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-02 Thread Ian Clarke
With NGR finally starting to meet expectations, we need to think about what lies between now and our 0.6 release. The baseline is simply to consolodate currently implemented features with a moritorium on significant new features and a focus on ensuring that current functionality is solid.

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-02 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:45PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: With NGR finally starting to meet expectations, we need to think about what lies between now and our 0.6 release. If you expect only a .08% psuccess and barely a hint of specialization that's fine but I rather expected a bit

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-02 Thread Ian Clarke
Tracy R Reed wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:45PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: With NGR finally starting to meet expectations, we need to think about what lies between now and our 0.6 release. If you expect only a .08% psuccess How do you know that 92% of requests aren't for data that