Ary Borenszweig wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
For the initial version, I'd be happy if it downloaded the zip file,
unzipped it, and set the path.
Here:
http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/descent/dinstaller/
(I just put it there because I didn't know where else)
Maybe this can be used as
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the bikeshed
bullshit. There are far more important issues at hand.
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:21:29 +0300, Yigal Chripun wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the
Lately, I've been tuning in to the development of D again. But what I see is
rather disturbing.
There is a new continuation of the old D, in the newer D2. Personally, I think
this is good, as long as there will be a defined end to D2. What disturbs me
more, is that there appears to be no
Sjoerd van Leent escribió:
Lately, I've been tuning in to the development of D again. But what I see is
rather disturbing.
There is a new continuation of the old D, in the newer D2. Personally, I think
this is good, as long as there will be a defined end to D2. What disturbs me
more, is that
Hi Ary,
I think this is the issue. I'm not saying that D in itself is lacking anything.
I think it is important to put an end to changing D (D2).
What I'm concerned about is that many projects stall. Including a project I
started, which is now completely incompatible with D2.
What I want to
Sjoerd van Leent escribió:
Hi Ary,
I think this is the issue. I'm not saying that D in itself is lacking anything.
I think it is important to put an end to changing D (D2).
What I'm concerned about is that many projects stall. Including a project I
started, which is now completely
Sjoerd van Leent wrote:
Hi Ary,
I think this is the issue. I'm not saying that D in itself is lacking anything.
I think it is important to put an end to changing D (D2).
Although this has not been officially anounced, Andrei mentioned a while
back that D2 and Phobos2 will be finalised in a
Nick Sabalausky Wrote:
Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in message
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Jarrett Billingsley jarrett.billings...@gmail.com wrote in message
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With four or five people having voiced concerns over
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
With four or five people having voiced concerns over the future of D
in the past week or so, what's the busiest discussion?
int.nan, of course.
Come on. Get with the program. Enough already with the bikeshed
bullshit. There are far more important issues at hand.
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more important issues are left
Lars T. Kyllingstad Wrote:
Sjoerd van Leent wrote:
Hi Ary,
I think this is the issue. I'm not saying that D in itself is lacking
anything. I think it is important to put an end to changing D (D2).
Although this has not been officially anounced, Andrei mentioned a while
back that
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Lars T.
Kyllingstadpub...@kyllingen.nospamnet wrote:
This also applies to the toolchain issue that has been mentioned several
times of late. If you can't live without all the luxuries of a fully
developed, stable toolchain, *don't use D2*.
Wait, are you
Japanese translation is up at:
http://dusers.dip.jp/modules/wiki/?Learning%2FThe%20Case%20for%20D
We appreciate Andrei's permission to publish the translation.
Walter Bright wrote:
For the initial version, I'd be happy if it downloaded the zip file,
unzipped it, and set the path.
Here:
http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/descent/dinstaller/
(I just put it there because I didn't know where else)
Maybe this can be used as the initial source code
Ary Borenszweig Wrote:
Lately a lot of people are complaining about D lacks this, D lacks that.
I can only speak for the IDE part of your post: I'm working on it, and
I'm almost alone.
So if you want to do something for D, get your hands dirty.
Ary,
Lots of us are getting our hands
As someone who is reading this newsgroup instead of watching a soap
opera, I will give you my useless reasons why I have given up on D,
completely:
Lost focus:
D was intended as a system programming language, at some point the
direction changed to a pure functional research toy. No longer
dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing changes
to the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language features)
are
an order of magnitude less important because this stuff can always be done
after
the fact without breaking
== Quote from superdude (superd...@superdude.net)'s article
Insert useless rants here
Dude, stuff takes time. You can't fault a language for not having everything it
advertises *yet* as long as steady, reasonably rapid progress is being made. D
certainly has imperfections, but it's still light
superdude superd...@superdude.net wrote in message
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As someone who is reading this newsgroup instead of watching a soap opera,
I will give you my useless reasons why I have given up on D, completely:
Lost focus:
D was intended as a system programming
Steve Teale wrote:
Ary Borenszweig Wrote:
Lately a lot of people are complaining about D lacks this, D lacks that.
I can only speak for the IDE part of your post: I'm working on it, and
I'm almost alone.
So if you want to do something for D, get your hands dirty.
Ary,
Lots of us are
Steve Teale steve.te...@britseyeview.com wrote in message
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dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing
changes to the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language
features) are
an order of
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Ary Borenszweiga...@esperanto.org.ar wrote:
Back to the discussion: why Tango is considered a standard library? And
again: can't it be changed to a normal library instead of a standard one?
Why does it *need* to be a standard library?
Because one of Tango's
Steve Teale wrote:
dsimcha Wrote:
I feel that miscellaneous toolchain issues (other than implementing changes to
the
spec and fixing bugs that severely affect the usability of language features)
are
an order of magnitude less important because this stuff can always be done after
the fact
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Sh3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl wrote:
Please don't confuse these voices with the usual trolling/complaining D
newcomer with their omg but D doesn't offer anything more than C++ and it's
not evolving at Warp 7!!!11eleven, like superdude's recent post. The
Ary Borenszweig wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
For the initial version, I'd be happy if it downloaded the zip file,
unzipped it, and set the path.
Here:
http://downloads.dsource.org/projects/descent/dinstaller/
(I just put it there because I didn't know where else)
Maybe this can be used as
Ary Borenszweig wrote:
...
Yes, two main-purpose libraries are indeed a problem. I thought druntime
was supposed to solve this, but if you are developing a library you'll
end up using one of the two, and then another library developed in the
other main-purpose library will not be
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Lars T.
Kyllingstadpub...@kyllingen.nospamnet wrote:
This also applies to the toolchain issue that has been mentioned several
times of late. If you can't live without all the luxuries of a fully
developed, stable toolchain, *don't use
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Lars T.
Kyllingstadpub...@kyllingen.nospamnet wrote:
For that reason I'm not going to shout very loudly in these discussions, but
I get annoyed when I see people complaining about D2 being a moving target.
After all, it comes with a big, red sticker that says
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Lars T.
Kyllingstadpub...@kyllingen.nospamnet wrote:
For that reason I'm not going to shout very loudly in these discussions, but
I get annoyed when I see people complaining about D2 being a moving target.
After all, it comes with a
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileh...@lycos.com)'s article
dsimcha:
Python and Ruby
are constrained by their dynamic design such that they will likely always
be slow
and there is no room for improvement.
This is the opposite of the truth :-)
Being Python slow, there can be ways to
MIURA Masahiro wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more important issues are left undiscussed.
Freedom
In the wake of the recent 'state of D' articles, I've looked at the D1 spec
bugs on bugzilla and grouped them by topic. I've also separated them into
issues that probably need compiler changes (+) and bugs that might be
resolved by a spec change (*).
My plan is to go through the issues and to
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Christian
Kammkamm-incasoftw...@removethis.de wrote:
In the wake of the recent 'state of D' articles, I've looked at the D1 spec
bugs on bugzilla and grouped them by topic. I've also separated them into
issues that probably need compiler changes (+) and bugs
Christian Kamm wrote:
In the wake of the recent 'state of D' articles, I've looked at the D1 spec
bugs on bugzilla and grouped them by topic. I've also separated them into
issues that probably need compiler changes (+) and bugs that might be
resolved by a spec change (*).
My plan is to go
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of the problem
that more
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
2009/6/29 MIURA Masahiro echocham...@gmail.com:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
do not tell other people what to think and what to write. this is not
china and you are not the great firewall.
grow up.
Apparently you don't share Jarrett's consciousness of
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Uhhh... try listening to Tango folks
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you that?
your scripting language,
-
Some disclaimers first:
- It's possible it might be incredibly stupid for me to bring this up while
there's been some recent heated debate about similar things. So if this ends
up taking a turn the wrong way, feel free to place all the blame for it on
me. Seriously. I am the one
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you that?
Hello Nick,
- Not everyone uses one of the #1 fastest browsers (heh, see what I
did there?). For those people, like me, when they go to the Projects
link, the page really comes across like it's hung or broken even
though it says Loading And it really takes awhile. That needs to
be
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are the
tango devs and walter and co. of which Neither are willing to budge.
Uhhh... try listening to
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and
we have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
who told you
Sjoerd van Leent wrote:
Lately, I've been tuning in to the development of D again. But what I see is
rather disturbing.
There is a new continuation of the old D, in the newer D2. Personally, I think
this is good, as long as there will be a defined end to D2. What disturbs me
more, is that
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
digitalmars.com/d:
Agreed, the initial entry point to D for most people is this site, it
would be awesome would undertake the task of redesigning it to be more
user friendly and point the newbies in the right direction.
DSource:
I believe there's quite a lot
Tom S h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl wrote in message
news:h2bfaa$1hl...@digitalmars.com...
Lutger wrote:
Tom S wrote:
Yigal Chripun wrote:
(snip)
IMHO, the Tango vs. Phobos licensing issue is the biggest bikeshed
color
problem in the D realm and the only people that can solve it are
BCS n...@anon.com wrote in message
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Hello Nick,
- Not everyone uses one of the #1 fastest browsers (heh, see what I
did there?). For those people, like me, when they go to the Projects
link, the page really comes across like it's hung
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
Andrei had some reason (license-related, IIRC) for deliberately not looking
at Tango at all. Maybe that's the license issue being referred to? (I'm
about as in-the-dark about it as you.)
I know _Walter_ had a license-related
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:05:29 +0200, Tom S wrote:
thirdly, D has a dictator, Walter Bright, which decides its fate and we
have almost zero influence on this.
I thought The needs and contributions of the D programming community
form the direction it goes..
LOL ... yeah, right.
--
Derek
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
BCS n...@anon.com wrote in message
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Hello
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
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Hello
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
I've been browsing through the html/js code for that page. Looks it what it
does is asynchronously load an XML representation (generated by the server)
of all the project information and then, on the client-side, that XML is
Christian Kamm, el 29 de junio a las 22:20 me escribiste:
In the wake of the recent 'state of D' articles, I've looked at the D1 spec
bugs on bugzilla and grouped them by topic. I've also separated them into
issues that probably need compiler changes (+) and bugs that might be
resolved by
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:03:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
digitalmars.com/d:
- Being the official entry-point to all things D, www.digitalmars.com/d
should take people directly to D1
(http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/index.html) instead of essentially a
D2 home that links primarily to
Jarrett Billingsley, el 29 de junio a las 20:30 me escribiste:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
I've been browsing through the html/js code for that page. Looks it what it
does is asynchronously load an XML representation (generated by the server)
of all the
Leandro Lucarella, el 29 de junio a las 22:46 me escribiste:
Christian Kamm, el 29 de junio a las 22:20 me escribiste:
In the wake of the recent 'state of D' articles, I've looked at the D1 spec
bugs on bugzilla and grouped them by topic. I've also separated them into
issues that
- I'm probably biased on this, and trying to rationalize it as more of a
new user experience issue than it really is, but the regex engine's been
broken with open tickets for a while now. Ok, maybe not truly broken, but
buggy enough that I haven't felt comfortable trusting it. Again,
== Quote from Tom S (h3r3...@remove.mat.uni.torun.pl)'s article
IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which
also only supports DMD at the moment.
How is it better? I vaguely recall at least one change in Tango's runtime
that actually violates the Posix spec, and so
== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (jarrett.billings...@gmail.com)'s article
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
IIRC, Tango devs claim that its runtime is better than druntime, which
also only supports DMD at the moment. And apparently, there's been very
little
Jesse Phillips jessekphill...@gmail.com wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:03:59 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
- Somewhere prominent (buy maybe not too prominent? FAQ page, maybe?),
there should be an admission of the Phobos/Tango situation (because
dsimcha wrote:
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileh...@lycos.com)'s article
dsimcha:
Python and Ruby
are constrained by their dynamic design such that they will likely always
be slow
and there is no room for improvement.
This is the opposite of the truth :-)
Being Python slow, there can
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Daniel
Keepdaniel.keep.li...@gmail.com wrote:
dsimcha wrote:
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileh...@lycos.com)'s article
dsimcha:
Python and Ruby
are constrained by their dynamic design such that they will likely always
be slow
and there is no room for
== Quote from Nick Sabalausky (a...@a.a)'s article
Sean Kelly s...@invisibleduck.org wrote in message
news:h2c1pb$2q9...@digitalmars.com...
== Quote from Jarrett Billingsley (jarrett.billings...@gmail.com)'s
article
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Nick Sabalauskya...@a.a wrote:
IIRC,
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
I use FF3 and there's still a considerable delay (~7s). Of course,
it's _the Internet_ over a questionable Comcast connection. Half the
time it takes servers several seconds to respond to static page
requests anyway.
I had a look at Firebug, and it looks like
BCS wrote:
I guess it's just that an installer that needs anything else (including
an internet connection) to install seems utterly pointless to me. In my
book an installer is firstly the data to be installed and secondly a
tool to configure it. When I download an installer, I want to know
Daniel Keep wrote:
Here's the thing: tracing JITs can theoretically BEAT C. Why? Because
a tracing JIT knows more about the system the program is running on than
a compiler ever will.
Natively compiled C can use JIT techniques under the cover. If a
JIT-compiled dynamic language beats C, it
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:59:03 -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
At the very least, digitalmars.com/d could really use to make Wiki4D
extremely visible and obvious, like an officially sanctioned third party
D resource, or something like that. In fact, a major reason for my
suggestion that
Hello Daniel,
One thing I should probably have made explicit: the Cygwin setup
program downloads all packages as you request them, *and keeps a local
cache*.
Let's say you wanted to install D on a machine with no 'net access.
Grab the installer, put it on a 'net-connected machine, select what
@Rainer Deyke:
Thanks for your clarification.
The problem is that, unless you set up your system to use Chinese for
every non-unicode-ready application, systemwide and for all users, you
will not get Chinese character output in the Windows console.
The downside is that setting up your OS in such
Always nice to see the inner workings, thanks.
Here a few things that bugged me:
Seeing templates as runtime functions, making the whole instantiation thing
kind of strange :)
Trying to use implicitly deduces parameters for function templates.
Writing Foo(d) iso Foo!(int [][])(d).
--
template
BCS wrote:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1057219/memory-paging-with-d
I'm using D/Tango for catalog indexing, is there any library to aid with
memory (RAM) paging for a dictionary which is in memory and can go up to
10gb while performing indexing?
Why not using SQLite as memory db ?
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1012
Stewart Gordon s...@iname.com changed:
What|Removed |Added
Severity|normal |enhancement
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http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3104
Summary: [meta] Grammar mangles
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3105
Summary: [meta] ABI
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3106
Summary: [meta] Parameter storage classes
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3107
Summary: [meta] Property syntax
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3108
Summary: [meta] Protection
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3109
Summary: [meta] Template ordering
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3110
Summary: a.foo(...) - foo(a, ...) transform for a array not
documented
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3112
Summary: Specification on what operations call the GC is
missing
Product: D
Version: 1.045
Platform: Other
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Keywords: spec
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