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another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread #ponce
Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more productive without a demotool. Still,

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread #ponce
Why is my post duplicated ? I use Web-News.

another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread #ponce
Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more productive without a demotool. Still,

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Saaa
#ponce wrote... Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more productive

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Tom S
#ponce wrote: Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more productive without a

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread davidl
在 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:07:49 +0800,#ponce alil...@gmail.com 写道: Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremie Pelletier
#ponce wrote: Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more productive without a

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread torhu
On 12.10.2009 03:07, #ponce wrote: Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's not Breakpoint. D clearly allowed us to be more

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Chad J
*droo* Good trip man. Thanks for that. Neat to see D getting use in the demoscene.

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
#ponce alil...@gmail.com wrote in message news:hatvh5$gq...@digitalmars.com... Hi, We won another demo compo with a D entry (at MAIN demoparty) http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53942 We tried to make a bigger and more impressive entry this time. Note that it's a french party so it's

dmd 1.049 and 2.034 release

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Folding in patches to compiler faults from bugzilla. http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog.html http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.049.zip http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/changelog.html http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.2.034.zip Many thanks to the numerous people who contributed to this

Re: dmd 1.049 and 2.034 release

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Jeremie Pelletier wrote: What already? Seems like 2.033 was only a week ago.. oh wait. It was only a week ago!

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Tom S
torhu wrote: I only get a black screen, but with music. Can't see any errors in the log. I've got a Radeon mobility hd 3650. Is my gfx card no up to it? That's what happens when you cross AMD/ATI with OpenGL. -- Tomasz Stachowiak http://h3.team0xf.com/ h3/h3r3tic on #D freenode

Re: another d demoscene entry

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremie Pelletier
Tom S wrote: torhu wrote: I only get a black screen, but with music. Can't see any errors in the log. I've got a Radeon mobility hd 3650. Is my gfx card no up to it? That's what happens when you cross AMD/ATI with OpenGL. Strange, my first steps in OpenGL years ago were on my 'old'

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Jeremie Pelletier wrote: The IDE usually keeps the files in memory and could therefore just call something like getSemantics(char** fileBuffers, int* fileSizes, int nFiles, ParseNode* parseTree) and have its parse nodes already allocated in process memory ready for use. Considering a lot of

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Walter Bright wrote: Experience also suggests that using fork/exec rather than a shared dll approach is much more robust and easier to develop. The reason is that the former uses separate processes, which cannot step on each other. The latter puts everything in one process space, where you've

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Jeremie Pelletier wrote: The official JSON website has tons of bindings, here's the C one: http://fara.cs.uni-potsdam.de/~jsg/json_parser/ I'm gonna try and get it converted to D over the weekend. It has a test suite with it!

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread bearophile
Walter Bright: but we are operating under severe manpower constraints. I don't have a 100 million dollar budget! And sometimes this is even an advantage, because it forces to keep things simple and not over-engineered :-) Bye, bearophile

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread tomqyp
Walter Bright дµ½: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity gains of D's

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:06:30 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Michel Fortin wrote: On 2009-10-10 19:01:35 -0400, dsimcha dsim...@yahoo.com said: Overall, the point is that there should be a well-defined process for getting code into Phobos and a well-defined

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread dolive
Walter Bright дµ½: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity gains of D's

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 07:06:30 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Michel Fortin wrote: On 2009-10-10 19:01:35 -0400, dsimcha dsim...@yahoo.com said: Overall, the point is that there should be a well-defined process for getting code into

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Brad Roberts
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sorry. I occasionally scan the bug reports and work on the Phobos-related ones, but I missed yours. I just assigned to myself four bugs you submitted. I think it should be fine to give you write and other regulars write access to Phobos. I'll ask Walter and Don.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Lutger
digited wrote: Walter Bright �: The nice thing about an xml file is while D is relatively easy to parse, xml is trivial. Why file? An IDE can call compiler process and get output with info from stdout, that will be much faster, and if IDE will need to store the info, it will, or will

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Lutger
Walter Bright wrote: ... Think of what it provides as very similar to what ddoc does, except that instead of being in a human-readable format it would be a machine-readable one. In other words, for each module you'll be able to get . all the symbols in that module, and the members of

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Walter Bright wrote: Jeremie Pelletier wrote: The IDE usually keeps the files in memory and could therefore just call something like getSemantics(char** fileBuffers, int* fileSizes, int nFiles, ParseNode* parseTree) and have its parse nodes already allocated in process memory ready for use.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Walter Bright wrote: Think of what it provides as very similar to what ddoc does, except that instead of being in a human-readable format it would be a machine-readable one. In other words, for each module you'll be able to get . all the symbols in that module, and the members of those

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Lutger
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... I'm all for accepting additions to Phobos, and for putting in place a process to do so. I suggest we follow a procedure used to great effect by Boost. They have a formal process in place that consists of a preliminary submission, a refinement period, a

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to column.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Jérôme M. Berger wrote: . all the symbols in that module, and the members of those symbols (recursively) Including local variables for functions? That seems pointless, as they'll be inaccessible outside of the scope of the function.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Robert Clipsham
Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity gains of D's

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Frank Benoit
Walter Bright schrieb: They say that the productivity gains of D's improvements are overbalanced by the loss of productivity by moving away from an IDE. And what is it about an IDE that is so productive? If you use Eclipse for Java, you have: - Debugger in place - Automatic builder, compile on

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:has92u$1vu...@digitalmars.com... Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to column. So the IDE knows where it is and can

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:has947$1vu...@digitalmars.com... Jérôme M. Berger wrote: . all the symbols in that module, and the members of those symbols (recursively) Including local variables for functions? That seems pointless, as they'll be

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 11:56, Frank Benoit wrote: Walter Bright schrieb: They say that the productivity gains of D's improvements are overbalanced by the loss of productivity by moving away from an IDE. And what is it about an IDE that is so productive? If you use Eclipse for Java, you have: - Debugger

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread language_fan
Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:19:56 -0700, Walter Bright thusly wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Lutger
language_fan wrote: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:19:56 -0700, Walter Bright thusly wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important.

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2009-10-11 03:56:55 -0400, Denis Koroskin 2kor...@gmail.com said: I submitted a few Phobos bugs to bugzilla. They are still not addressed. Having 2-3 people with write access to Phobos is clearly not enough - there is not enough human power. That's bugzilla entries are left without

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2009-10-11 01:57:08 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com said: You're certainly welcome to take the compiler front end and try and make a dll out of it or integrate it directly into an IDE. But what I suggested would probably get a lot of results for a minimal investment in the

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Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Christopher Wright
Jeremie Pelletier wrote: Walter Bright wrote: But if you want to contribute, how about a JSON parser for phobos? You'll need one anyway for your IDE. BTW, JSON parsing comes for free with javascript. Why not incorporate dmdscript into your IDE as its extension language? The official JSON

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Christopher Wright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sorry. I occasionally scan the bug reports and work on the Phobos-related ones, but I missed yours. I just assigned to myself four bugs you submitted. Phobos should probably use trac tickets. It would make it easier to range query phobos bugs.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Christopher Wright
Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity gains of D's

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Ary Borenszweig
Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. So, while I'm not going to be writing an IDE, I

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Lutger wrote: digited wrote: Walter Bright �: The nice thing about an xml file is while D is relatively easy to parse, xml is trivial. Why file? An IDE can call compiler process and get output with info from stdout, that will be much faster, and if IDE will need to store the info, it

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Lutger wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... I'm all for accepting additions to Phobos, and for putting in place a process to do so. I suggest we follow a procedure used to great effect by Boost. They have a formal process in place that consists of a preliminary submission, a refinement period,

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:has92u$1vu...@digitalmars.com... Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to column. So the IDE knows

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Ellery Newcomer
There are several core features that I absolutely must have (because I want them): 1. autocompletion. everywhere. for everything. including local variables. And that's not just the *pop* this symbol is a type that does ddoc. It includes the completion part. When I type foreach Ctrl+Space, I get a

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread BLS
On 11/10/2009 03:19, Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Ellery Newcomer
Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: If anyone is interested and is willing to test and/or help, I will gladly share my code. Oooo.. You should put that on dsource or somewhere. Hacking D sounds like a lot more fun than

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Daniel de Kok
On 2009-10-11 14:13:22 +0200, Michel Fortin michel.for...@michelf.com said: On 2009-10-11 03:56:55 -0400, Denis Koroskin 2kor...@gmail.com said: I submitted a few Phobos bugs to bugzilla. They are still not addressed. Having 2-3 people with write access to Phobos is clearly not enough -

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Lutger
BLS wrote: ... Our Options : 1) Force Decent.. (Java/SWT) 2) Use gtkD, create the IDE in D. (the only usable platform independent GUI atm.) 3) Use QT and C++. Let's re-use and adapt QT Creator. Having QT as standard GUI toolkit for D means that we can also reuse the QT Designer.

Re: Phobos.testing

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Brad Roberts wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sorry. I occasionally scan the bug reports and work on the Phobos-related ones, but I missed yours. I just assigned to myself four bugs you submitted. I think it should be fine to give you write and other regulars write access to Phobos. I'll

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Ellery Newcomer wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: If anyone is interested and is willing to test and/or help, I will gladly share my code. Oooo.. You should put that on dsource or somewhere. Hacking D sounds like

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jérôme M. Berger
Walter Bright wrote: Jérôme M. Berger wrote: . all the symbols in that module, and the members of those symbols (recursively) Including local variables for functions? That seems pointless, as they'll be inaccessible outside of the scope of the function. The point would be for smart

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:10:42 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Ellery Newcomer wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: If anyone is interested and is willing to test and/or help, I will

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread BLS
On 11/10/2009 16:54, Lutger wrote: BLS wrote: ... Our Options : 1) Force Decent.. (Java/SWT) 2) Use gtkD, create the IDE in D. (the only usable platform independent GUI atm.) 3) Use QT and C++. Let's re-use and adapt QT Creator. Having QT as standard GUI toolkit for D means that we can

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread BLS
On 11/10/2009 17:43, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:10:42 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Ellery Newcomer wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: If anyone is interested

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Christopher Wright
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:has92u$1vu...@digitalmars.com... Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jason House
Walter Bright Wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the productivity gains of D's

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremie Pelletier
Robert Clipsham wrote: Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say that the

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremie Pelletier
Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 10/11/09 11:56, Frank Benoit wrote: Walter Bright schrieb: They say that the productivity gains of D's improvements are overbalanced by the loss of productivity by moving away from an IDE. And what is it about an IDE that is so productive? If you use Eclipse for

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:03:16 +0400, BLS windev...@hotmail.de wrote: On 11/10/2009 17:43, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:10:42 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Ellery Newcomer wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400,

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremie Pelletier
language_fan wrote: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:19:56 -0700, Walter Bright thusly wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Max Samukha
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:49:52 +0200, BLS windev...@hotmail.de wrote: On 11/10/2009 16:54, Lutger wrote: BLS wrote: ... Our Options : 1) Force Decent.. (Java/SWT) 2) Use gtkD, create the IDE in D. (the only usable platform independent GUI atm.) 3) Use QT and C++. Let's re-use and adapt

SymRational, Computer Algebra

2009-10-11 Thread dsimcha
I've been thinking about where a Rational struct could lead, and realized that the next step is to give D some capabilities for dealing with symbols. For example, it would be nice to have something like: auto foo = symRational!SomeBigInt(1 / e + pi / 2 + G); // Do a whole bunch of manipulations

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread digited
Denis Koroskin ïèøåò: If anyone is interested and is willing to test and/or help, I will gladly share my code. You can write a note on dprogramming ru about the epic thing you're working on, i'm sure we'll help to test at least.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Michel Fortin wrote: It's not clear to me how much getting supplementary data from the compiler could help. If I only get what I can see through Ddoc, it's only half useful. I can already parse and get character ranges for the the high-level constructs (classes, tempaltes, functions, etc.).

Re: SymRational, Computer Algebra

2009-10-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
dsimcha wrote: I've been thinking about where a Rational struct could lead, and realized that the next step is to give D some capabilities for dealing with symbols. For example, it would be nice to have something like: auto foo = symRational!SomeBigInt(1 / e + pi / 2 + G); // Do a whole bunch

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Denis Koroskin wrote: In fact, that's what I do right now. I think that's great. But it requires a lot of work (as of course you know).

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Robert Clipsham wrote: How well will this work with partially parsable files? Probably not very well. This would work best with getting information from modules other than the one being edited.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Frank Benoit wrote: I think Descent is the right way. But here, a port of DMD is directly integrated into the plugin. To put more manpower in this project would be the best way imo. Eclipse is probably, along with VS, one of the two most powerful IDEs. But the JSON approach would also make

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 11/10/2009 18:29, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:03:16 +0400, BLS windev...@hotmail.de wrote: On 11/10/2009 17:43, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:10:42 +0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Ellery Newcomer wrote: Denis Koroskin

Re: SymRational, Computer Algebra

2009-10-11 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article dsimcha wrote: I've been thinking about where a Rational struct could lead, and realized that the next step is to give D some capabilities for dealing with symbols. For example, it would be nice to have

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Yigal Chripun
On 11/10/2009 15:23, Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. So,

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Eldar Insafutdinov
digited Wrote: Denis Koroskin ïèøåò: If anyone is interested and is willing to test and/or help, I will gladly share my code. You can write a note on dprogramming ru about the epic thing you're working on, i'm sure we'll help to test at least. I'm all for it.

Importing, and visibility

2009-10-11 Thread Matt
In C++ I see a lot of defining an enum, struct, or other values before #including another header which then uses these values. I understand why this works in C++, but does the same thing work in D? I'd assume not, since the import mechanism is a little more advanced than C++'s copy this file

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella
digited, el 10 de octubre a las 22:19 me escribiste: Walter Bright ?: The nice thing about an xml file is while D is relatively easy to parse, xml is trivial. Why file? An IDE can call compiler process and get output with info from stdout, that will be much faster, and if IDE will

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Ary Borenszweig
Walter Bright wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: In fact, that's what I do right now. I think that's great. But it requires a lot of work (as of course you know). Good things require a lot of work. :)

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Walter Bright, el 10 de octubre a las 18:19 me escribiste: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. They say

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Walter Bright, el 11 de octubre a las 02:38 me escribiste: Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to column. See Clang error messages: http://clang.llvm.org/diagnostics.html That's *nice*

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Michel Fortin
On 2009-10-11 14:19:52 -0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com said: Michel Fortin wrote: It's not clear to me how much getting supplementary data from the compiler could help. If I only get what I can see through Ddoc, it's only half useful. I can already parse and get character

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: In fact, that's what I do right now. I think that's great. But it requires a lot of work (as of course you know). Good things require a lot of work. :) Of course. But getting something done and available in a short amount

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Leandro Lucarella wrote: I think you've got that answer because they are not using D alread. When they start using D, they will start complaining about Phobos vs. Tango, debugger support, librararies, bugs, etc. ;) (maybe not DMD being GPL though, even when I think it's important). I've heard

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Walter Bright, el 11 de octubre a las 12:40 me escribiste: Leandro Lucarella wrote: I think you've got that answer because they are not using D alread. When they start using D, they will start complaining about Phobos vs. Tango, debugger support, librararies, bugs, etc. ;) (maybe not DMD being

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 16:32, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:19:56 +0400, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs,

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 15:23, Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE. So, while

Re: Importing, and visibility

2009-10-11 Thread Jarrett Billingsley
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Matt webwra...@fastmail.fm wrote: In C++ I see a lot of defining an enum, struct, or other values before #including another header which then uses these values. I understand why this works in C++, but does the same thing work in D? I'd assume not, since the

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 16:38, BLS wrote: On 11/10/2009 03:19, Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although those are important. It's the IDE.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 21:38, Walter Bright wrote: Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Denis Koroskin wrote: In fact, that's what I do right now. I think that's great. But it requires a lot of work (as of course you know). Good things require a lot of work. :) Of course. But getting

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:36:01 +0400, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote: 4) Port entire eclipse to D, Frank Benoit (who started DWT, the tango version) was thinking of this. Bjoern What's the benefit? I believe it'll become even slower. Much slower.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 20:58, Yigal Chripun wrote: On 11/10/2009 15:23, Ary Borenszweig wrote: Walter Bright wrote: In my discussions with companies about adopting D, the major barrier that comes up over and over isn't Tango vs Phobos, dmd being GPL, debugger support, libraries, bugs, etc., although

Messages both in d.D.ide and d.D ?

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
Why do some messages show up both in d.D.ide and d.D?

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote in message news:hasodv$dg...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:has92u$1vu...@digitalmars.com... Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 10/11/09 22:37, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:36:01 +0400, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote: 4) Port entire eclipse to D, Frank Benoit (who started DWT, the tango version) was thinking of this. Bjoern What's the benefit? I believe it'll become even slower. Much slower.

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
language_fan f...@bar.com.invalid wrote in message news:hasd5u$1fg...@digitalmars.com... Well since there is already a project working on an Eclipse plugin, I see little use for other IDEs at the moment. The D community is rather small and only a small amount of people are capable of

Re: Messages both in d.D.ide and d.D ?

2009-10-11 Thread Denis Koroskin
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:44:48 +0400, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote: Why do some messages show up both in d.D.ide and d.D? Because the Walter decided to post the topic to both newsgroups at once, and all the replies follow it (take a look at message header).

Re: dmd support for IDEs

2009-10-11 Thread Walter Bright
Leandro Lucarella wrote: Walter Bright, el 11 de octubre a las 02:38 me escribiste: Lutger wrote: What about file/line/column of the symbol? Is this much work / hard work to add? file/line of course, but I don't see a point to column. See Clang error messages:

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