On 4/6/13, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> Certainly; but at the same time, I think this is an opportunity
> to make the tool do the right thing with the least keystrokes.
Hmm yeah.
Well we should definitely give implementing it a try and see what the
build times are like.
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 07:45:33 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 00:12:33 UTC, Zach the Mystic wrote:
struct Large { ... }
ref Large process1(@temp ref Large a) { return a; }
ref Large process2(@temp ref Large a) { return a; }
Large* lar = &process2(process1(Large("Pass"," a "
Thanks for your very quick answer Vladimir.
> On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 04:16:13 UTC, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is it possible to switch off the GC entirely in D? Can the GC be
>> switched off completely - including within phobos?
>
> import core.memory;
> GC.disable();
>
> However,
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 07:50:10 UTC, Zach the Mystic wrote:
...
Ye, I know it and I hate DIP25. It tries to limit references to
allow them in @safe and I hate @safe as much. Type system will
lack plain "non-null pointer" type then. Sad I can do nothing
about it.
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 08:01:09 UTC, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
So I'll either have to not use the runtime+standard libraries
and
implement all I'd need myself without GC or else stick to C++.
The latter
would be a pity because I really like D, but then in C++ I have
full
control and the per
Zach the Mystic:
Not disagreeing, but you had mentioned nullable types before,
and I was wondering what they might look like also. Have you
made an enhancement for these I could examine?
I opened this:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4571
Part of the syntax is:
T? means T null
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 06:33:24 UTC, Tobias Pankrath wrote:
There was a recent thread [1] about deepening Phobos' module
hierarchy, and it seems that most people agree this is
something that should eventually happen.
In light of this, here's a suggestion: How about we, rather
than updati
I wonder if we should change the name of Config.gui to
Config.noConsole. It corresponds to the CREATE_NO_WINDOW flag in
the Windows API, for which the documentation says:
"The process is a console application that is being run without a
console window. Therefore, the console handle for the ap
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 04:16:13 UTC, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to switch off the GC entirely in D?
Can the GC be switched off completely - including within phobos?
What I am looking for is absolute control over memory
management.
I've done some tests with GC on and GC off
Am 06.04.2013 10:01, schrieb Adrian Mercieca:
Thanks for your very quick answer Vladimir.
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 04:16:13 UTC, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to switch off the GC entirely in D? Can the GC be
switched off completely - including within phobos?
import core.mem
On 2013-04-06 04:22, Walter Bright wrote:
awaiting:
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/1240
Everything in druntime is done?
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-04-06 04:05, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
1) It will break tools like rdmd, for cases when the tool knows the
exact set of modules that needs to be compiled
2) When would that be useful?
When building libraries of course.
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-04-06 06:16, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to switch off the GC entirely in D?
Can the GC be switched off completely - including within phobos?
What I am looking for is absolute control over memory management.
I've done some tests with GC on and GC off and the performance wi
Peter Alexander:
I also use a modified druntime that prints callstacks when a GC
allocation occurs, so I know if it happens by accident.
Is it possible to write a patch to activate those prints with a
compiler switch?
Bye,
bearophile
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 10:56:19 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-04-06 04:05, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
1) It will break tools like rdmd, for cases when the tool
knows the
exact set of modules that needs to be compiled
2) When would that be useful?
When building libraries of course.
I remember Walter saying two or more times that the semantics of
D offers some optimization opportunities that probably are not
yet used to try to reduce the run-time of D programs. Is Walter
willing to write down a list of such opportunities? (Ideas from
other persons are welcome). Maybe some
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 18:38:46 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Part of the point is that if you had an Error, there _is_ no
graceful
shutdown. It's in an invalid state. Doing _anything_ at that
point is risky.
Depending on why the Error occurred, you could just as easily
completely
corrupt pl
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 19:39:14 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
On Friday, 5 April 2013 at 13:42:02 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
Right now, it isn't even possible to try a graceful shutdown
when really, the program is unlikely to be in a completely
unpredictable state, especially in @safe code.
It is p
On Monday, 1 April 2013 at 19:53:23 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Life has gotten a lot easier for me trying to manage multiple
branches of D since I've been using file compare/merge tools.
I use winmerge for Windows, and meld for Linux. They are both
free, and work great.
What do you use?
I a
On 4/6/13 4:10 AM, bearophile wrote:
Zach the Mystic:
Not disagreeing, but you had mentioned nullable types before, and I
was wondering what they might look like also. Have you made an
enhancement for these I could examine?
I opened this:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4571
Pa
Am 01.04.2013 21:53, schrieb Walter Bright:
Life has gotten a lot easier for me trying to manage multiple branches of D
since I've been using file compare/merge tools.
I use winmerge for Windows, and meld for Linux. They are both free, and work
great.
What do you use?
i've used several open
Andrei Alexandrescu:
I think it's safe to close it. Nullable types have not enjoyed
a lot of appreciation in C#.
On the other hand they have gained appreciation in almost every
one of the other recent languages, as F#, Scala, Rust, and few
Java-Like languages running on the JavaVM, so this i
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 12:41:46 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 4/6/13 4:10 AM, bearophile wrote:
Zach the Mystic:
Not disagreeing, but you had mentioned nullable types before,
and I
was wondering what they might look like also. Have you made an
enhancement for these I could examine?
On Friday, 29 March 2013 at 08:58:06 UTC, kenji hara wrote:
http://wiki.dlang.org/DIP32
Kenji Hara
The {} syntax is already crowded, I don't think this is wise to
use it here.
Timon already presented plenty of cases where it isn't as simple
as presented in the DIP, and I can come up with a
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 12:59:53 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu:
I think it's safe to close it. Nullable types have not enjoyed
a lot of appreciation in C#.
On the other hand they have gained appreciation in almost every
one of the other recent languages, as F#, Scala, Rust,
On 2013-04-06 13:02, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
Why would you want recursive compilation plus specifying multiple modules?
If you're building a library which as a dependency on another library,
which you build from source. Perhaps not that common.
For a library, you generally know the exact
On 4/6/13, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>> For a library, you generally know the exact set of modules to be built.
>> If not in a makefile / build script, you could write one dummy module
>> that imports all of the library's components, and use that as the root
>> of incremental compilation.
>
> Using a
On 02/04/2013 00:18, Brian Schott wrote:
I've pretty much finished up my work on the std.d.lexer module. I am
waiting for the review queue to make some progress on the other (three?)
modules being reviewed before starting a thread on it.
In the meantime I've started some work on an AST module fo
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 08:10:30 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Zach the Mystic:
Not disagreeing, but you had mentioned nullable types before,
and I was wondering what they might look like also. Have you
made an enhancement for these I could examine?
I opened this:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues
On 02/04/2013 00:18, Brian Schott wrote:
I've pretty much finished up my work on the std.d.lexer module. I am
waiting for the review queue to make some progress on the other (three?)
modules being reviewed before starting a thread on it.
BTW, even in the lexer spec I've found an issue. How doe
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:13:10 -0400, Lars T. Kyllingstad
wrote:
I wonder if we should change the name of Config.gui to
Config.noConsole. It corresponds to the CREATE_NO_WINDOW flag in the
Windows API, for which the documentation says:
"The process is a console application that is being r
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 15:26:01 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
The origin of the name 'gui' is from when one wanted to start a
windows GUI application from another windows GUI application,
and you did it without this flag, it would pop up an annoying
console window. So you can read it
On 12/03/2013 11:57, ZILtoid1991 wrote:
Is there any equaliaments of java collections in D?
Different collections that are part of the Java API have different D
equivalents.
For lists, vectors and stacks, arrays (with their increased power over C, Java, etc.
arrays) are more or less the D eq
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 11:38:14 -0400, Vladimir Panteleev
wrote:
Um, that's exactly how it works. There is a value in the PE header which
determines this. The corresponding linker flag is /SUBSYSTEM:WINDOWS for
a GUI program or /SUBSYSTEM:CONSOLE for a console program.
The flag specifies th
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 08:01:09 UTC, Adrian Mercieca wrote:
In my very simple test, the GC version of my program ran more
than twice
slower than the non GC version. I just cannot accept that kind
of
performance penalty.
Thanks.
I have ran into similar problems with D and understand w
On 2013-04-01 14:53, Walter Bright wrote:
Life has gotten a lot easier for me trying to manage multiple branches of D
since I've been using file compare/merge tools.
I use winmerge for Windows, and meld for Linux. They are both free, and work
great.
What do you use?
windows only:
i use the
On 4/5/13, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> I noticed that compiling D programs in the usual manner (rdmd) is
> as much as 40% slower than it can be.
I've implemented the -rb and -rx switchex (the -r switch itself is
taken, it's an undocumented switch). These switches are used to enable
recursive buil
Andrej Mitrovic:
But I've only tested this on smaller
projects, I wonder what the impact is on larger projects.
I think the recursive scan is mostly meant for small projects. I
think large projects will usually use some kind of build scripts.
Bye,
bearophile
On 4/6/13, bearophile wrote:
> I think the recursive scan is mostly meant for small projects. I
> think large projects will usually use some kind of build scripts.
A gtkD benchmark:
$ C:\dev\projects\GtkD\demos\gtk>timeit rdmd --build-only --force
-IC:\dev\projects\GtkD\src HelloWorld.d
> Done i
I am currently in the process to collect the necessary
information and would gladly give you the previous data. Then you
could already take a look on it, if you still need something or
if something is missing and if, what. Then I have a clearer idea.
That would certainly be very nice of you.
Fo
On Sunday, 31 March 2013 at 13:14:52 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:
Reposted from github:
I think it would be nice if the high level functions would
also allow
using custom environment variables.
I think that is probably a good idea. The exec functions allowed
for this. I've never made use of it
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 15:26:01 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:13:10 -0400, Lars T. Kyllingstad
wrote:
I know some people don't like negative flags, but in this case
it seems more precise. It doesn't create a GUI, it prevents
the creation of a console.
[...]
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 09:13:11 UTC, Lars T. Kyllingstad
wrote:
I wonder if we should change the name of Config.gui to
Config.noConsole. It corresponds to the CREATE_NO_WINDOW flag
in the Windows API, for which the documentation says:
"The process is a console application that is being
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 17:50:31 UTC, Namespace wrote:
I am currently in the process to collect the necessary
information and would gladly give you the previous data. Then
you could already take a look on it, if you still need
something or if something is missing and if, what. Then I have
On Saturday, April 06, 2013 16:21:12 Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> On 02/04/2013 00:18, Brian Schott wrote:
> > I've pretty much finished up my work on the std.d.lexer module. I am
> > waiting for the review queue to make some progress on the other (three?)
> > modules being reviewed before starting a th
On 04/06/13 17:21, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> On 02/04/2013 00:18, Brian Schott wrote:
>> I've pretty much finished up my work on the std.d.lexer module. I am
>> waiting for the review queue to make some progress on the other (three?)
>> modules being reviewed before starting a thread on it.
>>
>
> B
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 11:01:09 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Peter Alexander:
I also use a modified druntime that prints callstacks when a
GC allocation occurs, so I know if it happens by accident.
Is it possible to write a patch to activate those prints with a
compiler switch?
Yes, but I
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 21:29:20 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 11:01:09 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Peter Alexander:
I also use a modified druntime that prints callstacks when a
GC allocation occurs, so I know if it happens by accident.
Is it possible to write a pa
On 06/04/2013 20:52, Artur Skawina wrote:
On 04/06/13 17:21, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
On 02/04/2013 00:18, Brian Schott wrote:
I've pretty much finished up my work on the std.d.lexer module. I am
waiting for the review queue to make some progress on the other (three?)
modules being reviewed before
On 4/6/13 1:14 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 4/5/13, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I noticed that compiling D programs in the usual manner (rdmd) is
as much as 40% slower than it can be.
I've implemented the -rb and -rx switchex (the -r switch itself is
taken, it's an undocumented switch). These
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 17:52:40 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
It definitely helps when you're building something from scratch.
Great stuff!
But RDMD can track changes to dependencies, which DMD still
can't do.
I want to try implementing this feature in DMD and see the speed
difference fo
On 4/6/13 9:38 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 17:52:40 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
It definitely helps when you're building something from scratch.
Great stuff!
But RDMD can track changes to dependencies, which DMD still can't do.
I want to try implementing this f
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 02:04:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Yah, I think it would be great to dedicate rdmd to the
dependency/caching part and leave the build to the compiler.
One possibility would be to run the build and the dependency
saving in parallel (!).
Why in parallel and not
On 4/6/13 10:12 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 02:04:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Yah, I think it would be great to dedicate rdmd to the
dependency/caching part and leave the build to the compiler. One
possibility would be to run the build and the dependency savin
On Saturday, 6 April 2013 at 22:29:42 UTC, Rob T wrote:
We lack decent tools to even understand what the GC is doing,
https://github.com/CyberShadow/Diamond
D1-only due to lack of interest.
On 04/05/2013 07:22 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:18 PM, Ellery Newcomer wrote:
is there a roadmap for druntime/phobos support of shared libraries?
just built dmd from master, and I still can't coax out a 64 bit .so
awaiting:
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/124
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 02:16:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Why in parallel and not in one go? (-v with -rb and without
-o-)
I'm not sure how rdmd would distingish dmd's output from the
output of the running program. Oh wait, the run will be a
distinct step - awesome.
I'll have a go
On 4/7/13 12:07 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 02:16:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Why in parallel and not in one go? (-v with -rb and without -o-)
I'm not sure how rdmd would distingish dmd's output from the output of
the running program. Oh wait, the run will b
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 04:25:19 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 4/7/13 12:07 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 02:16:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Why in parallel and not in one go? (-v with -rb and without
-o-)
I'm not sure how rdmd would distingish dmd's o
http://wiki.dlang.org/DIP35
I've talked about this before, but it seems like the right time
to formalize it, especially to illustrate the slight conflict it
would impose on using 'scope ref' to allow rvalue temporary
references. If 'ref' itself were made completely safe using
'scope' and/or '
On 4/6/2013 7:15 PM, Ellery Newcomer wrote:
dmd -unittest -fPIC -defaultlib=phobos2so -shared test1.d -oflibtest1.so
gcc test1.c `pwd`/libtest1.so -L/usr/lib64/dmd/ -L/usr/lib/dmd/ -o test1.x
/lib64/libphobos2so.so: undefined reference to `_Dmain'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
_D
On Sunday, 7 April 2013 at 04:07:55 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
I'll have a go at the rdmd side of this.
https://github.com/CyberShadow/tools/compare/BuildRecurse
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